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2012-07-13 2:50 PM in reply to: #4310071 |
Subject: RE: Fred D's triathlon training group CLOSED Fred D - 2012-07-13 7:26 AM ChrisM - 2012-07-13 11:10 AM b2x20' should be 'praying for sweet death to come' hard.ChrisM - 2012-07-12 1:16 PM Bump. Anyone have any thoughts?Speaking of 2 x 20s.... What are they supposed to feel like? I'll admit to not having tested in over a year, so I am going by old numbers combined with perceived effort. Usually in these sets, I start out and in the first 5 minutes get a little worried that I won't be able to finish. But I always do, as I warm up to the higher effort. Last night bumped up a little (properly calibrated, etc) and it wasn't as hard, and while I was almost blown up at the end, that was really the result of me pushing the pace, rather than just holding on and getting beat up by the watts. I could have pulled back and been a little more comfortable. So, for these (assuming I am not going to actually test) should the RPE be "I'm barely holding on," like Goosedog's last two laps, or "this is hard, but not that hard unless I push it...."? x2. And what watts you do them at likely depends on how fresh your legs are. If your legs are fresh, then it should be at or slightly above 100% FTP. In the middle of normal training, 95% will feel really hard. If you're fatigued, you probably shouldn't even attempt it.
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2012-07-13 3:21 PM in reply to: #4310429 |
Master 2912 ...at home in The ATL | Subject: RE: Fred D's triathlon training group CLOSED Fred D - 2012-07-13 3:46 PM GoFaster - 2012-07-13 3:27 PM . Diagnosis by Internet is almost as bad as a LA thread, so I won't throw out random things, but a general physical exam and labs would be my suggestion. Probably nothing wrong,just seems like a big weight loss for you considering where you were at prior.Thanks for the feedback guys. My thoughts at the moment are to maybe add a few more calories a day just to level off the weight a bit. And I'd already decided that once the HIM is done then I'll start picking up the weights again in the off season and see what impact that has. Like I said, I actually feel really good at the moment in terms of performance. And health wise, I've always had a pretty strong immune system, and have been good for the past number of months (knocking on wood before I jinx myself). Fred - Rusty made the same statement about being tested, or in your case seen by a doc. Any particular issue/concern that would come to mind? Or is it generally that the weight/BMI really does seem a bit low? My doc's concerns with regard to my low BMI/BF had to do with a demonstrated decrease in immunity from infection as well as a concern about a possible decrease in bone density. His suggestion was to rejigger my diet to include more protein and "good" fats/oils. No real instruction to change my BMI/BF. Although IM training has done that - I have actually gained weight over the past two years. My doc has gone so far as to suggest that long course training is not a really the best thing to couple with significant weight loss goals for the reasons above. |
2012-07-13 3:38 PM in reply to: #4310514 |
Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: Fred D's triathlon training group CLOSED I can't imagine how much I would have to eat if I was training for a full! |
2012-07-13 3:41 PM in reply to: #4124687 |
Master 5557 , California | Subject: RE: Fred D's triathlon training group CLOSED Hey Neil for what it's worth, I'm a little taller than you and I've raced at 150. Mountain goat build I guess. My weight generally stays within about 10lb range... 150-160 at any given time. Wouldn't hurt to get a workup with your doctor if you're continually seeing a downward trend. But tall frame / lightweight -- yeah there are a few of us |
2012-07-13 4:13 PM in reply to: #4310561 |
Master 2912 ...at home in The ATL | Subject: RE: Fred D's triathlon training group CLOSED GoFaster - 2012-07-13 4:38 PM I can't imagine how much I would have to eat if I was training for a full! Ha - I am sure you will find out one day... and the way you burn through calories you will probably have to stop by Taco Bell 3 times per day... Actually, I don't think I really consume any more than normal; in fact I know that this year I am taking in about half the calories on the bike than I did last year. I think you just burn WAY more calories in the shorter/harder efforts/intervals than you do in the long, easier ones. In fact that could be the likely culprit in your recent weight loss - you have been doing more interval and progression work this season, right? I think this group can have that influence on you... |
2012-07-13 5:49 PM in reply to: #4124687 |
Master 2912 ...at home in The ATL | Subject: RE: Fred D's triathlon training group CLOSED Nutrition question: This is what I have done for years for 'A' races that are going to be 9+ hours and at the very least without ill effect. What do you think - does anyone do similar or is this bunk? |
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2012-07-13 6:03 PM in reply to: #4310765 |
Champion 6656 | Subject: RE: Fred D's triathlon training group CLOSED TankBoy - 2012-07-13 4:49 PM I dont really have any specific nutritional things I have followed leading into races other than generally sticking to tried and tested foods. I guess I probably should think about it but I think the key is to stay within a comfort level of foods that you know you tolerate well and to not try anything crazy leading into race week. It is my understanding that the "carbo loading" before races doesn't really work because the idea (I think) is to try an increase glycogen stores, but there is an upper limit to how much the body can store before metabolizing into other energy forms like fat. I've heard of pros going caffeine free the month prior to races and having coffee/caffeine Gus etc on race day. I'm not sure how many days it takes for the body to adjust to a baseline with caffeine withdrawal, if it's a few days, week or so on. But if you find your race day prep works for you, then why not?Nutrition question: This is what I have done for years for 'A' races that are going to be 9+ hours and at the very least without ill effect. What do you think - does anyone do similar or is this bunk? |
2012-07-13 6:03 PM in reply to: #4124687 |
Master 5557 , California | Subject: RE: Fred D's triathlon training group CLOSED My only rule is no spicy food the night before a race Beyond that, I try to just eat normally and haven't had much problem. |
2012-07-13 6:49 PM in reply to: #4310782 |
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2012-07-13 7:09 PM in reply to: #4310826 |
Subject: RE: Fred D's triathlon training group CLOSED Fred D - 2012-07-13 1:49 PM spudone - 2012-07-13 7:03 PM My only rule is no spicy food the night before a race Beyond that, I try to just eat normally and haven't had much problem. My only rule is no rules. I do NOT cut back caffeine and don't alter my diet. Generally works for me. x2 |
2012-07-13 7:11 PM in reply to: #4310850 |
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2012-07-13 7:27 PM in reply to: #4124687 |
Subject: RE: Fred D's triathlon training group CLOSED So what's up for everyone this weekend. I'M RACING. First road race of the season and I'm stoked. 12 laps of a 2.9 mile course with no flats. Just rolling terrain and 3 very short climbs where attacks will be made. I think the course favors a rider like me who's not a lightweight climber...and the hills are short enough where you can power through them if you need to. Goal is to hang on for dear life and have fun. I likely won't be making any moves as I'm not even close to the strongest rider...but I just want to test myself to see if I can make it to the final lap with the lead group. Then just see what happens from there. |
2012-07-13 9:06 PM in reply to: #4310875 |
Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: Fred D's triathlon training group CLOSED tri808 - 2012-07-13 5:27 PM So what's up for everyone this weekend. I'M RACING. First road race of the season and I'm stoked. 12 laps of a 2.9 mile course with no flats. Just rolling terrain and 3 very short climbs where attacks will be made. I think the course favors a rider like me who's not a lightweight climber...and the hills are short enough where you can power through them if you need to. Goal is to hang on for dear life and have fun. I likely won't be making any moves as I'm not even close to the strongest rider...but I just want to test myself to see if I can make it to the final lap with the lead group. Then just see what happens from there. Sounds fun. Have a good safe race. good luck |
2012-07-13 9:09 PM in reply to: #4310875 |
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2012-07-13 9:46 PM in reply to: #4310988 |
Subject: RE: Fred D's triathlon training group CLOSED TSimone - 2012-07-13 4:09 PM tri808 - 2012-07-13 8:27 PM So what's up for everyone this weekend. I'M RACING. First road race of the season and I'm stoked. 12 laps of a 2.9 mile course with no flats. Just rolling terrain and 3 very short climbs where attacks will be made. I think the course favors a rider like me who's not a lightweight climber...and the hills are short enough where you can power through them if you need to. Goal is to hang on for dear life and have fun. I likely won't be making any moves as I'm not even close to the strongest rider...but I just want to test myself to see if I can make it to the final lap with the lead group. Then just see what happens from there. Good luck! Looking forward to reading about it. Travel day for me tomorrow. Had a great week in Charlotte capped off by me throwing my sister in her pool after our family pictures. Make sure to let the camera man know not to put his camera away too soon. |
2012-07-13 9:54 PM in reply to: #4310875 |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: Fred D's triathlon training group CLOSED tri808 - 2012-07-13 8:27 PM I likely won't be making any moves as I'm not even close to the strongest rider... Sounds like the perfect time to attack. |
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2012-07-14 5:22 AM in reply to: #4310853 |
Master 2912 ...at home in The ATL | Subject: RE: Fred D's triathlon training group CLOSED Well, at least Bryan agrees with me. He stops just short of calling my plan "brilliant" and even goes so far as to say that he will be incorporating something similar to his Kona preparation. Here is his exact quote: bryancd - 2012-07-13 7:05 PM Wow! That's some pre-race routine! I just eat my normal diet up to race day, maybe taking in a little more sodium and some more sweet potatoes, but I don't think complicated nutrition models are needed assuming a good balanced diet. Of course you kinda have to read between the lines a bit, but you can see he is clearly convinced. I am generally a pretty laid back guy, so what is up with these pre-race quirks? Is it just because I have run out of things to control? I am not even going to describe my current obsession with flat kits; I'll post that in TT where people understand me and will offer the kindness and nurturing that I need right now. |
2012-07-14 5:27 AM in reply to: #4311025 |
Master 2912 ...at home in The ATL | Subject: RE: Fred D's triathlon training group CLOSED Goosedog - 2012-07-13 10:54 PM tri808 - 2012-07-13 8:27 PM I likely won't be making any moves as I'm not even close to the strongest rider... Sounds like the perfect time to attack. Jens Voigt was a math prodigy in elementary school, putting "Attack!" in every blank space on all his tests. It would be the wrong answer for everyone else, But Jens is able to solve any problem by attacking. Good luck, Jason - go out there and kill it! |
2012-07-14 6:51 AM in reply to: #4124687 |
Pro 4528 Norwalk, Connecticut | Subject: RE: Fred D's triathlon training group CLOSED i always have a beer or 3 the night before a race, helps me settle and sleep. I eat nothing out of the ordinary and pretty much just keep making sure i am drinking normal fluids a little more than normal.
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2012-07-14 11:28 AM in reply to: #4311198 |
Subject: RE: Fred D's triathlon training group CLOSED Rudedog55 - 2012-07-14 1:51 AM i always have a beer or 3 the night before a race, helps me settle and sleep. I eat nothing out of the ordinary and pretty much just keep making sure i am drinking normal fluids a little more than normal.
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2012-07-14 3:03 PM in reply to: #4310765 |
Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: Fred D's triathlon training group CLOSED TankBoy - 2012-07-13 6:49 PM Nutrition question: This is what I have done for years for 'A' races that are going to be 9+ hours and at the very least without ill effect. What do you think - does anyone do similar or is this bunk?
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2012-07-15 12:55 PM in reply to: #4124687 |
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2012-07-15 7:52 PM in reply to: #4312282 |
Subject: RE: Fred D's triathlon training group CLOSED Fred D - 2012-07-15 7:55 AM Anxiously awaiting James race results. What about me? Ok...race report coming, but in summary, I stayed with the front pack, but never took a pull. Just responded to all the surges. With 2 laps to go, a guy attacked hard, but he wasn't in my AG division (18-34, cat 4/5) so I didn't chase and nobody else did either...he was long gone as he was far stronger than everyone else. On the last lap, I moved into position in the top 3 spots and had to gut myself to hang on during the climbs. As we made the run into the finish, which is a short .25 mile hill at about 5%, I was 2nd wheel and jumped at the base of the hill. I pulled away but another 18-34 jumped on me, then actually pulled even with me with about 50 meters to go. Luckily though I had a little extra and got him at the line by about half a wheel. So 1st in Senior Men Cat 4/5, and 2nd overall among all 4/5's. I averaged almost 24 mph climbing that hill, and was pegged at 194 bpm. |
2012-07-15 7:57 PM in reply to: #4312680 |
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2012-07-15 8:04 PM in reply to: #4312680 |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: Fred D's triathlon training group CLOSED tri808 - 2012-07-15 8:52 PM Nice!Fred D - 2012-07-15 7:55 AM Anxiously awaiting James race results. What about me? Ok...race report coming, but in summary, I stayed with the front pack, but never took a pull. Just responded to all the surges. With 2 laps to go, a guy attacked hard, but he wasn't in my AG division (18-34, cat 4/5) so I didn't chase and nobody else did either...he was long gone as he was far stronger than everyone else. On the last lap, I moved into position in the top 3 spots and had to gut myself to hang on during the climbs. As we made the run into the finish, which is a short .25 mile hill at about 5%, I was 2nd wheel and jumped at the base of the hill. I pulled away but another 18-34 jumped on me, then actually pulled even with me with about 50 meters to go. Luckily though I had a little extra and got him at the line by about half a wheel. So 1st in Senior Men Cat 4/5, and 2nd overall among all 4/5's. I averaged almost 24 mph climbing that hill, and was pegged at 194 bpm. |
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