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2012-11-09 7:32 AM
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getfitfast........your problem is not physical, it is mental.  Look at you forum name...getfitfast.  That totally explains why you are injured and why you will stay injured.  Mid-life crisis, HIM in 8 months.  Hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but you can't take that approach and expect anything other than what you have......injuries.  Your only choice at this point is to stop running and biking TOTALLY until you heal.  Yes, I know, that just isn't acceptable because you need to starting back to training this afternoon, but that's not going to happen so it time to accept reality.

After you do heal, you need to accept the fact that it takes years for all of us non-genetic freaks to properly train for a HIM.  HIM and IMs are endurance events.  It takes years of sloooooow base training with NO speed work to get there injury free.  Yes, there are some lucky individuals that have the genetics to just get up off of the couch and 6 months later do a HIM with not adverse side affect, but you ain't that lucky.

I started running/biking about 37 years ago.  Stayed injured from running the first 32 of those years because I just couldn't get it though my thick head that having a high-A personality and attacking training like I attacked everything else in life just wasn't going to work.  Five years ago I discovered BarryPs approach to training...run 6x wk, ALL slow, at a 1-2-3 ratio.  It was a total  PITA making myself back-off.....just not in my personality.  But I was so frustrated that I gave it a try.  Just finished B2B HIM, 5th in AG, injury free for the last 5 years (except for the one time I decided to do some hill repeats. That was my last run for 3 months and I missed B2B last year). 

Now, if you will please excuse me.  I'm going out for a 8 mile sloooow run.  Cheers!!



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2013-01-08 4:11 AM
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Well almost a year off...new physio and seems to think it is ITB....it appears to be a very very slow process....doing a bit of running and swimming...not sure if and I will be able to attack the bike....
2013-01-08 7:45 AM
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getfitfast - 2013-01-08 6:11 PMWell almost a year off...new physio and seems to think it is ITB....it appears to be a very very slow process....doing a bit of running and swimming...not sure if and I will be able to attack the bike....
Just wondering if it has been so long without training have you thought of looking into "alternative" treatments. My husband had 20 years of a sore back due to a motorbike accident at 21. Physio, chiropractic, osteopath and things like that would make it better for a bit but after a few months would make no difference. He now sees a Bowen Therapist (kind of massage that works on the connective tissues) which has totally fixed the lower back pain. Just a side note it hurts like he'll when you have it done and for the next 24 hours you feel like you have been run over but then it's all good.
2013-01-08 8:06 AM
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getfitfast - 2012-11-08 5:14 AMSo two years ago...went thru the midlife crisis and worked bloody hard to learn to ride a bike and swim (never learnt as a kid) and do a HIM in 8 months. Loved the whole tri thing. Did a few more races and in Feb this year had a DNF as i started getting a pain in my right hip and knee.Spent the last 8 months with physio, acupuncture, scans, xrays and MRI. The odd cortisone injection too.....but still no luck.Stopped cycling and tried to work on my swimming and a bit of running.....but the discomfort and not being able to train has become a vicious circle.....Wanted to do try a full IM in 2013.... But not so sure....Fed up....anyone else relate or feel my pain?
Wow sorry to hear! Did they ever figure out what was wrong with you? Im writing up a blog post, will be out Thursday on my site about something similar. Beat advice is to continue getting different opinions until you find a doc or PT who can work with you! You can train around pain - find exercises that work within your limitations. Hip and knee pain is pretty common of people who come into the sport later in life. A good.mobility and strength conditioning program can help! Don't give up!
2013-01-08 8:13 AM
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getfitfast - 2013-01-08 4:11 AM Well almost a year off...new physio and seems to think it is ITB....it appears to be a very very slow process....doing a bit of running and swimming...not sure if and I will be able to attack the bike....

 

I've found Running to be worse for ITB than cycling.  Lot's of people struggle with ITB.  Best solutions I've heard were foam rolling and stretching.  Try a yoga class at your local gym.  You'd be surprised how a day a week of yoga can help ITB issues.  Lots of foam rolling can really help too though, and if you really want a treat go get yourself a sports massage.

 

2013-01-08 12:51 PM
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Thanks for the feedback. Have had all the scans, xrays and MRI in my painful parts. Have tried chiro, acupuncture and bowen. Seen a sports doc who is a hip orthapetic specialist. He has referred me to another physio indicating ITB.

I have this week started yoga and also introduced 15 min cycling sets on my wind trainer and steadly gone from walking to 5 to 6 k runs.

Frustration is the pain is still there.
Anyway the only option is still getting treatment. There is no silvet bullet...

But probably no racing until i can comfortably run and ride...


2013-01-08 1:31 PM
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Two and a half years ago, after 2 decades of relative inactivity, I decided to start running. I quickly got into ITBS problems wirh my left hip and knee due to trying to do too much too soon. After a year and a half later, during which i tried to run through the pain, RICE ect..and a very hard head, i finally started stretching and strengthening exercises specific to ITBS. Now, the past 6 months or so, no real problems, except when i slack off of the stretching. If i were you, i would stop cycling and running until all the pain was gone and begin the stretching and strengthening. Youtube is full of great examples of each.
2013-01-08 4:14 PM
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If all the MRI and tests came back without any issues, then your pretty well off! It sounds like it's just a matter of finding where the rust is, lubing that up, and getting the engine to run again.So, again. Working with a coach who knows strength and condo for endurance sports can help. As others have said already, foam rolling (get yourself a lacrosse ball) and doing mobility drills should help.Pain isn't part of the sport and shouldnt keep you fron the sport. Its just an indicator that something isn't moving right.
2013-01-08 5:06 PM
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morey000 - 2012-11-08 4:33 PM

... Injured my achilles so much in the process that I haven't been able to run in 7 months.  Tried every treatment in the book and many not in the book.  So- here I am at 48 with a BQ notch on my belt- and it's unlikely that I'll actually make it to Boston in april. ...

An update to my earlier post.  the Prolotherapy worked.  I've been running for 2 months now and training is going well.  I couldn't be happier, but I know that I'm always one step away from injury.  Working through a training plan, but throwing most of the speedwork out the window.

whatever you do... keep on moving as best you can.  there is no other alternative.

2013-01-08 10:27 PM
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I've been on BT since 2004 and loved the triathlete life style. In 2008 I did my first IM and continued to do them yearly until 2011. 2010 and 2011 were challenging as I had some health issues that made training challenging. My last tri and race was November 2011. Last year I was unable to train but little bit here and there due to discomfort.

I have had some major issues since 2010. I've seen top notch docs in Boston including 5 orthos, 1 sports med, 1 sports endocrinologist, 3 rehumatologists, primary care doc, 5 PTs or maybe 6 and a Physiatrist.  Blood tests, X rays, scans, MRI showing only rapid onset arthritis and then bone on bone on my left knee.

No answers but guesses what was wrong with me. 

It went from left knee issue with 2 surgeries, the pain spread to both knees, both hips and one shoulder bothered me so much so I couldn't ride my bike up any incline. Fatigue that I couldn't shake and other weird symptoms.

Finally got tested again for Lyme and other tick borne diseases. Antibody testing Elisa and Western Blot are not very accurate. Ends up I have 3 tick borne diseases including Lyme and Babesia (parasite in my red blood cells much like Malaria). It is in my central nervous system and has effected my brain as well as in my joints.

I hope this year to be able to ride my bike. Doubt I will ever be able to run as I'm happy when I can make it down the stairs comfortably. Swim now is out due to IV meds.

My point is to keep searching for the answer. Pain is there and the reason may be hard to figure out. Mine started with knee pain that didn't get better despite PT and surgery.

Good luck and keep pursuing the answer to what will make you better!

2013-01-09 1:08 AM
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KathyG...thanks for your reply and sharing your experience. I wish you all the best with your health.....


2013-01-09 6:13 AM
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Here's a thought for you to consider... It COULD be that some of what you're experiencing might be related to weakness and/or tightness in the hips and "posterior chain".

This can be related to a couple of things:

1) In our everyday lives, we spend A LOT of time sitting, i.e., with our hips in flexion. All that sitting over decades can lead to shortening of the hip flexors, and lengthening of those posterior chain muscles, creating an imbalance in the hip region.

2) Running & cycling utilize the quads more than the hammys, further adding to the imbalance.

IMO, this combination of shortened hip flexors and weak posterior chain contributes to a lot of the typical injuries we see in running/triathlon.

I'm not sure what kinds of exercises your physio has had you doing, but you might benefit from spending some time doing some exercises focusing on improving stability and mobility in your hips. Actually, I think MOST of us would benefit from dedicating a little bit of time working on that...

Feel free to pm me if you want to explore some exercises that might help in that area.
2013-01-09 6:27 AM
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I totally feel the frustration as well and found this thread to be therapeutic.

Everytime I try to up my mileage, even if it's only by 5 mins per week, I somehow end up injured. It's been better recently but I still had some small issues crop up.

This time around I've been doing yoga at least once a week, running 3x per week for 3 weeks then a week off, trying to eat right, and keeping my pace in check. Oh and during long runs I do 10 min run 1 min walk.

I've always had a goal to do a HM. I keep reminding myself that my goal needs to be the distance, not speed. I find my mind wandering to what if I could go under 2 hours but then I remind myself how lucky I would be to be able to do that distance, even if I had to walk some of it.

I am intrigued by the concept of running everyday, even for only 5 minutes, since that is so opposite of my approach now. I would like to learn more about that but I don't know if I am ready to try it! Although 5 minutes couldn't hurt..right?

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bhctri - 2012-11-09 7:32 AM

getfitfast........your problem is not physical, it is mental.  Look at you forum name...getfitfast.

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Agree, and I was trying to think of how to say it (but now I can just agree). 

I am 46 and have been a runner for 22 years.  About 6 years ago my knees developed severe osteoarthritis, to the point where I had a pronounced limp.   After some physical therapy, that went away and I was able to go back to running - but not as much as before, so I took up triathlons.  My running has been pain- and injury-free for years, and I believe it is because I made the training schedule subordinate to how I feel.  If I felt like I was getting injured or strained, I cut back.  On those rare happy days when running felt effortless, I went a little further.  

You don't have to 'get fit fast'.  You don't have to do the HIM next year.  It is more effective to focus on continuous improvement while avoiding setbacks, even if it is slower than you would prefer. 

 

2013-01-09 12:56 PM
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north_north_west - 2013-01-09 9:11 AM

...You don't have to 'get fit fast'.  You don't have to do the HIM next year.  It is more effective to focus on continuous improvement while avoiding setbacks, even if it is slower than you would prefer.

I need to keep re-reading that statement.

yeah- life is a marathon, not a sprint. 

2013-01-09 2:53 PM
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Hey guys...i get the point about my name "get fit fast"....it was one of those spur of the moment creations when registering.

For me the fun is actually the ability to do things i never imagined i could do...fitness and lifestyle are a by product!

Yes i hear all the feedback on steady training and not pushing beyond ones means. I guess you have to go thru the journey and experiences to learn your own limitations...


2013-01-12 6:10 PM
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I feel your pain. I'm 46, injured, and fed up as well. IT band got me mile 7 of half mary in November. Took 4 weeks off while doing some rehab. Got 1 mile into a 5k with my 6 yo son and it grabbed out of nowhere. I hopped to avoid another stride on it, landed wrong, and ended up having a grade 2 gastroc tear and small tear of my posterior tibial tendon. Got out of boot this week. Pain and some swelling came back. Follow up MRI was good with nothing preventing training once I complete PT. I can tell from just walking that progressing to running is going to be rough. So I guess the HIM was looking to in may will have to wait. My wife can't wait for my routine to resume. Apparently I am a grump from not being able to SBR.
2013-01-12 6:25 PM
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I certainly get it.  I just did my first sprint last month at age 57 after months of battling achilles tendonitis.  Now that one issue is over I am having hamstring problems. AARRGGGH!

My solutions was to do whatever activites I could do to to lose the 70# I needed to drop (50 down) and build my endurance.  That meant I ran the race last month with about 3 running days in six months.

I finished, I am still at it and and keeping my eyes on the prize...IMAZ in 2015.  Don't give up, just do what you can.  Good luck!

 

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I feel your pain. Since finishing my first HIM in late July (no illnesses or injuries in training for it), I have had, in order: mono or similar fatigue and muscle-ache type disease, strained Achilles, flu for three weeks, hairline elbow fracture with ligament and nerve injury, SI joint and hamstring problems aggravated by new shoes that didn't work out, and now, a hamstring strain from a motorbike hitting me while biking. Have given up on being healthy... I just try to do what I can, when I can. At one point, that meant all my "swimming" was dolphin kick and dog paddle, and all my running and biking were indoors. At some times, that has meant only one of S/B/R. Rest what needs to be rested, and work what doesn't. Avoid/minimize run speedwork; do it on softer surfaces if you can. I've been running most of my life and am very lightweight, and it kills me. Probably not the best for most people over 40 without a big running base, esp. those with a history of run injuries.

And imagine how amazing it will feel if you are actually healthy someday!

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