What do you use for electrolyte replacement? (Page 3)
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() rc63413 - 2008-08-11 3:54 PM You can not possibly bonk on a sprint unless you go into it essentially fully depleted. It really takes a lot to be fully depleted (like a two - three day fast or an 18 mile run). Hydration will get you quicker than glycogen any day of the week. In fact, your heart rate increases dramatically as a result of reduced blood volume/hydration. Thicker blood harder to pump. It is much more of a problem than bonking and much more critical/common, hydrate hydrate hydrate. Also realize, to load up on carbohydrates you must have the commensurate amount of water. (I beilieve it is like 5g water per g of glycogen). The term bonk must be a loosely used (and understood) term. I didn't go into the race totally depleted, I just woke up, had a small glass of diet coke, a powerbar that I slowly ate on the hour drive to the race (ate slowly because of nerves and therefore zero appetite) and that was it. I had something to drink on the bike but can't recall what brand of sports drink, probably gatorade. Anyway, apparently not a bonk, just an event done beyond my abilities in those days especially given the conditions. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() For electrolytes I've just starting using NUUN and really like it. I rarely use it except for really long hot rides. Plain water and food work good most of the time. That science blog is funny. The stuff about the animals is wrong if you think about it, or is there no such thing as a fat cat kidney stones? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Does anyone else find the taste/fizziness of NUUN as unappealing as I do? I'm using the Citrus Fruit flavor...maybe I need to try a different flavor? I really have a hard time stomaching it. Maybe it's the sorbitol in NUUN that makes it hard for me to get down. I grimace every time I swallow a mouthful of that stuff. I guess I'm in the minority here, cuz it sounds like everyone else just loves NUUN. I actually like the new electrolyte mix from Powerbar (lemon flavor)...now that stuff tastes good. Like NUUN, it too is artifically sweetened, but not with sorbitol. I'm able to handle it much better than NUUN. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() this thread is actually making me curious as to if what i've been doing is correct.... granted i'm only training for a Sprint that is this weekend and a Oly next month, but all i do is take a gel before a run of 5 miles or more. for cycling, i take a gel and take some water and powerade with me to sip if i feel thirst. so for those using Nuun and Gu20, when are those used? Does those essentially take the place of something like powerade? i'm curious and would be interested in trying those out. and where do you find Nuun at? you have to order those off the net or something? never seen or heard of them before. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() xmann1102 - 2008-08-11 5:44 PM this thread is actually making me curious as to if what i've been doing is correct.... granted i'm only training for a Sprint that is this weekend and a Oly next month, but all i do is take a gel before a run of 5 miles or more. for cycling, i take a gel and take some water and powerade with me to sip if i feel thirst. so for those using Nuun and Gu20, when are those used? Does those essentially take the place of something like powerade? i'm curious and would be interested in trying those out. and where do you find Nuun at? you have to order those off the net or something? never seen or heard of them before. Don't think too hard! if its working for you its probably correct. NUUN had a website, you can order it online and there are some shops that carry it. I'll use NUUN for bike rides over 3 hours in hot weather. The longest distance I've raced is OLY so I've no reason to use it in a race. As far as the taste of NUUN, yes it has an alka selzer quality to it. is It more appealing when you're thirsty. I like it because it doesn't have sugar. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() xmann1102 - 2008-08-11 9:44 PM this thread is actually making me curious as to if what i've been doing is correct.... granted i'm only training for a Sprint that is this weekend and a Oly next month, but all i do is take a gel before a run of 5 miles or more. for cycling, i take a gel and take some water and powerade with me to sip if i feel thirst. Try not to over think your nutrition plan; if what you are doing is working for you in training that it should continue to work on race day. For short course racing, in addition to a fairly normal diet the day before a race and a good breakfast, most athletes are going to require only minimal calories during the race. If you are interested, you can read my thoughts on short course nutrition here. Shane |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() gsmacleod - 2008-08-11 10:30 PM xmann1102 - 2008-08-11 9:44 PM this thread is actually making me curious as to if what i've been doing is correct.... granted i'm only training for a Sprint that is this weekend and a Oly next month, but all i do is take a gel before a run of 5 miles or more. for cycling, i take a gel and take some water and powerade with me to sip if i feel thirst. Try not to over think your nutrition plan; if what you are doing is working for you in training that it should continue to work on race day. For short course racing, in addition to a fairly normal diet the day before a race and a good breakfast, most athletes are going to require only minimal calories during the race. If you are interested, you can read my thoughts on short course nutrition here. Shane I read your article and it's essentially exactly what I do for short course stuff. Can you share some insight on long course? That's where the issues are for me. Thanks! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I use Endurolyte (Hammer)...2 caplets before work-outs...now in special with the hot weather...and off course before the races... Edited by velorider62 2008-08-12 10:33 AM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TriMike - 2008-08-12 12:31 PM I read your article and it's essentially exactly what I do for short course stuff. Can you share some insight on long course? That's where the issues are for me. Thanks! Shane Edited by gsmacleod 2008-08-12 1:01 PM |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() gsmacleod - 2008-08-12 2:01 PM TriMike - 2008-08-12 12:31 PM I read your article and it's essentially exactly what I do for short course stuff. Can you share some insight on long course? That's where the issues are for me. Thanks! Shane The question I have is, if I wait too long to take nutrition or under-consume nutrition and I start to feel lousy (I now know bonking isn't the term) can I make it back to feeling decent by eating or can you pass the point of no return if you don't consume enough calories on the long course? Because based on things discussed in this thread and my experience at my 70.3, I'm thinking I might be better off backing down the nutrition somewhat and letting my body tell me what I need. |
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Not a Coach ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TriMike - 2008-08-13 8:09 AM The question I have is, if I wait too long to take nutrition or under-consume nutrition and I start to feel lousy (I now know bonking isn't the term) can I make it back to feeling decent by eating or can you pass the point of no return if you don't consume enough calories on the long course? Because based on things discussed in this thread and my experience at my 70.3, I'm thinking I might be better off backing down the nutrition somewhat and letting my body tell me what I need. Best advice is to try it in training first. But generally, yes, you can make up for 'under-consumption' within reason. You may still have to slow down a little, but you won't experience your gut 'shutting-down' which is generally more problematic (you really have to slow down for awhile at that point and then you'll be probably be behind on nutrition once it does clear so have to stay slow while you try to eat). Edited by JohnnyKay 2008-08-13 8:54 AM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JohnnyKay - 2008-08-13 10:53 AM TriMike - 2008-08-13 8:09 AM The question I have is, if I wait too long to take nutrition or under-consume nutrition and I start to feel lousy (I now know bonking isn't the term) can I make it back to feeling decent by eating or can you pass the point of no return if you don't consume enough calories on the long course? Because based on things discussed in this thread and my experience at my 70.3, I'm thinking I might be better off backing down the nutrition somewhat and letting my body tell me what I need. Best advice is to try it in training first. But generally, yes, you can make up for 'under-consumption' within reason. You may still have to slow down a little, but you won't experience your gut 'shutting-down' which is generally more problematic (you really have to slow down for awhile at that point and then you'll be probably be behind on nutrition once it does clear so have to stay slow while you try to eat). x2 - as JK mentioned you can usually catch up if you need (within reason) but if you get to the shut down point you are all but going to have to stop before things start working again. Again, the key is to try it during training, during your long workouts and race simulations. You should have a really good handle on what is going to work for you based on these sessions. Shane |
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