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2008-08-22 1:00 PM

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Subject: Talk about being geeked! -- Wireless power

From Yahoo:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080821/ts_afp/usitinternetenergychipcompanyintel

Intel cuts electric cords with wireless power system

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SAN FRANCISCO (AFP) - Intel on Thursday showed off a wireless electric power system that analysts say could revolutionize modern life by freeing devices from transformers and wall outlets.

Intel chief technology officer Justin Rattner demonstrated a Wireless Energy Resonant Link as he spoke at the California firm's annual developers forum in San Francisco.

Electricity was sent wirelessly to a lamp on stage, lighting a 60 watt bulb that uses more power than a typical laptop computer.

Most importantly, the electricity was transmitted without zapping anything or anyone that got between the sending and receiving units.

"The trick with wireless power is not can you do it; it's can you do it safely and efficiently," Intel researcher Josh Smith said in an online video explaining the breakthrough.

"It turns out the human body is not affected by magnetic fields; it is affected by elective fields. So what we are doing is transmitting energy using the magnetic field not the electric field."

Examples of potential applications include airports, offices or other buildings that could be rigged to supply power to laptops, mobile telephones or other devices toted into them.

The technology could also be built into plugged in computer components, such as monitors, to enable them to broadcast power to devices left on desks or carried into rooms, according to Smith.

"Initially it eliminates chargers and eventually it eliminates batteries all together," analyst Rob Enderle of Enderle Group said of Intel's wireless power system.

"That is potentially a world changing event. This is the closest we've had to something being commercially available in this class."

That is just TOO cool. I can see a global power system being set up, possibly boosting the existing magnetic field of the Earth, powering up everyting from your cell phone to your car...



2008-08-22 1:45 PM
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So if we could do this.  I.E. provide electricity to appliances without cords, then what about the idea of electric cars that are powered from the light posts on a road?  Since there would be no gas tax, you could use remote energy meters in the cars that would send use information to the utility, just like current electric meters are capable of.  you would never have to plug in your car, which is the main problem with electric vehicles.

Very intersting.

2008-08-22 2:04 PM
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Does anyone ever stop to wonder what the hell all these EMF do to the human body?????  and then to add remote power into the mix??

I think it is time to move to a deserted island and live off of the land in a grass hut ......

2008-08-22 2:09 PM
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velocomp - 2008-08-22 2:45 PM

So if we could do this.  I.E. provide electricity to appliances without cords, then what about the idea of electric cars that are powered from the light posts on a road?  Since there would be no gas tax, you could use remote energy meters in the cars that would send use information to the utility, just like current electric meters are capable of.  you would never have to plug in your car, which is the main problem with electric vehicles.

Very intersting.

i say power the light posts using the car - save local government from utility bills - it becomes a stealth tax, but you are using the road (and hence the light)...

 

 

This is a very cool idea.  I'm interested in seeing what the marketplace can do with it. 

A similar idea came out several years ago of using your house power lines as a communication field.  That never really took off. 

2008-08-22 2:10 PM
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Daremo - 2008-08-22 3:04 PM

Does anyone ever stop to wonder what the hell all these EMF do to the human body????? and then to add remote power into the mix??

I think it is time to move to a deserted island and live off of the land in a grass hut ......

I got a nice cave you might enjoy.  We could be roommates. 

2008-08-22 2:18 PM
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I think this is super cool but I have to agree with daremo. I'm positive magnetic fields aren't good for our bodies. In fact isn't that why major power lines are so high up and typically off limits under neath them because of the magnetic fields generated by the line? Having said that it's still awesome. I know people have been trying to do this ever since Tesla was exhibiting his crazyiness genius.


2008-08-22 2:20 PM
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Most importantly, the electricity was transmitted without zapping anything or anyone that got between the sending and receiving units.

Until someone with a pacemaker enters the room. 

It's going to be annoying to have your credit cards wiped every time you turn on the lights too.

All that being said this would make my job much easier.  Getting power and signal to the end of a robot arm has alway been a pain in the butt.



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2008-08-22 3:13 PM
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It's been a long time since my third-quarter physics, but the article makes a (possibly naive) distinction between electric fields and magnetic fields...

I work with structural materials, so I've purged my brain of all that electrical/magnetic stuff...

2008-08-22 3:40 PM
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2008-08-22 3:46 PM
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Spokes - 2008-08-22 4:40 PM
Daremo - 2008-08-22 12:04 PM

Does anyone ever stop to wonder what the hell all these EMF do to the human body????? and then to add remote power into the mix??

I think it is time to move to a deserted island and live off of the land in a grass hut ......

You already live surrounded by magnetic fields in all the wiring that's in your house now... 

that is a matter of intensity. 

the wiring in your house is shielded and not in large enough volume to create any negligible electrical / magnetic field.

plus, the whole earth is a magnetic field, i.e. compass



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Spokes - 2008-08-22 3:40 PM Didn't Tesla play with variations on this a long time ago?

 

He did and while I read a book about it a few years ago I don't remember the exact ways he was trying to do it. I know he built a tower to try and wirelessly transmit power in new york.





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2008-08-22 5:13 PM
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condorman - 2008-08-22 3:46 PM
Spokes - 2008-08-22 4:40 PM
Daremo - 2008-08-22 12:04 PM

Does anyone ever stop to wonder what the hell all these EMF do to the human body????? and then to add remote power into the mix??

I think it is time to move to a deserted island and live off of the land in a grass hut ......

You already live surrounded by magnetic fields in all the wiring that's in your house now... 

that is a matter of intensity. 

True enough!

the wiring in your house is shielded and not in large enough volume to create any negligible electrical / magnetic field.

Nope.  Most house wiring is NOT shielded, but standard Romex pairs the two wires so that the magnetic flux generated by the current in the hot (black) wire is cancelled by the flux generated from the return current in the neutral (white) wire.  Code usually requires wiring in commercial locations to be enclosed in conduit and this is often thinwall metallic (EMT) conduit, but magnetically shielding wiring is much more complicated than enclosing the wires in metal. 

plus, the whole earth is a magnetic field, i.e. compass

True enough.  There may be some physiological differences between a static magnetic field (i.e. the earth) and dynamic magnetic fields (which in fact is the basis for Magnetic Resonance Imaging--MRI--technology

2008-08-22 6:00 PM
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McFuzz - 2008-08-22 3:13 PM

condorman - 2008-08-22 3:46 PM
Spokes - 2008-08-22 4:40 PM
Daremo - 2008-08-22 12:04 PM

Does anyone ever stop to wonder what the hell all these EMF do to the human body????? and then to add remote power into the mix??

I think it is time to move to a deserted island and live off of the land in a grass hut ......

You already live surrounded by magnetic fields in all the wiring that's in your house now... 

that is a matter of intensity. 

True enough!

the wiring in your house is shielded and not in large enough volume to create any negligible electrical / magnetic field.

Nope.  Most house wiring is NOT shielded, but standard Romex pairs the two wires so that the magnetic flux generated by the current in the hot (black) wire is cancelled by the flux generated from the return current in the neutral (white) wire.  Code usually requires wiring in commercial locations to be enclosed in conduit and this is often thinwall metallic (EMT) conduit, but magnetically shielding wiring is much more complicated than enclosing the wires in metal. 

plus, the whole earth is a magnetic field, i.e. compass

True enough.  There may be some physiological differences between a static magnetic field (i.e. the earth) and dynamic magnetic fields (which in fact is the basis for Magnetic Resonance Imaging--MRI--technology



The earth's magnetic field isn't particularly strong, though.

It's not clear from the article how strong the magnetic fields are in the wireless power systems, but strong magnetic fields have been shown to have an adverse effect on cells undergoing mitosis. It's why labs or other areas where high magnetic fields are in use have signs advising pregnant women to keep back.
2008-08-22 6:57 PM
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All I know is, when we design MRI suites in hospitals at work, there are some seriously beefy walls we have to make to shield that thing ...... in all directions!
2008-08-22 8:09 PM
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Spokes - 2008-08-22 3:40 PM Didn't Tesla play with variations on this a long time ago?

Don't recall that album/CD.



2008-08-22 9:14 PM
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1stTimeTri - 2008-08-22 8:09 PM

Spokes - 2008-08-22 3:40 PM Didn't Tesla play with variations on this a long time ago?

Don't recall that album/CD.

 

Now that's just an insult to one of the smartest men to have ever lived. 

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