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2008-08-25 10:47 AM

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Subject: FIRST marathon plan
I am seeking comments on using the FIRST marathon training plan.

http://www.furman.edu/first/Marathon%20Training%20Program.pdf

I will be running my 5th marathon in december. I am looking to improve on last year's 3:20(back of my mind bq at 3:10), while also keeping swim and bike fitness with the cross training. I know alot of high mileage runners criticize this type of plan, but I followed a different version last year and really liked it.

Criticims? Thoughts? Anyone have any successes with this?


2008-08-25 12:26 PM
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I'm getting ready to start it this week for my marathon. No comments sorry.
2008-08-25 12:33 PM
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I've used a modified plan of theirs.  And I like it.  But I'm alot slower, so I don't think I would be of any help.

Good luck.

2008-08-25 12:59 PM
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I know runnersworld has a plan like this were you only run 3 times a week. I personally have not used it but wonder if only training 3x a week can get you a PR, I mean at least it should keep you injury free.


Chris

I am training for st. judes marathon and use the plans from runningtimes.com just fyi
2008-08-25 1:01 PM
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Plenty of people use it and are successful (in their opinion) with it.

But imho, there is not enough volume or frequency and too much intensity to be a truly effective plan.  Yes, it will get you through a marathon while allowing you to cross train.  But a lot of people reduce the program intensity or just stop it completely because of the intensity levels.

If you want to run a solid/fast marathon you would be better suited and more prepared using a solid plan like a Daniels, Higdon or Pfitzinger-Douglas one.  This requires more of a running focus.  If you can stand cutting back your swim/bike to just maintenance mode then that would be the way to go.

Edit: I used a P-D plan to get my 3:12 BQ and just said "f" the bike and swim.  Then I used an even more intense P-D plan to go for my sub-3 attempt this year but got sidelined because of the flu.  I was on training pace to hit that goal though.  Then I got back on the bike and in the water for tri training and even with only 400 miles on the bike put up a top 2% bike split in an oly. relay.  My bike fitness obviously didn't suffer than much by running 200+ a month and not cycling!



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2008-08-25 1:11 PM
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Daremo - 2008-08-25 1:01 PM

Plenty of people use it and are successful (in their opinion) with it.

But imho, there is not enough volume or frequency and too much intensity to be a truly effective plan.  Yes, it will get you through a marathon while allowing you to cross train.  But a lot of people reduce the program intensity or just stop it completely because of the intensity levels.

If you want to run a solid/fast marathon you would be better suited and more prepared using a solid plan like a Daniels, Higdon or Pfitzinger-Douglas one.  This requires more of a running focus.  If you can stand cutting back your swim/bike to just maintenance mode then that would be the way to go.

Edit: I used a P-D plan to get my 3:12 BQ and just said "f" the bike and swim.  Then I used an even more intense P-D plan to go for my sub-3 attempt this year but got sidelined because of the flu.  I was on training pace to hit that goal though.  Then I got back on the bike and in the water for tri training and even with only 400 miles on the bike put up a top 2% bike split in an oly. relay.  My bike fitness obviously didn't suffer than much by running 200+ a month and not cycling!



LOL! Even running 3 days per week(pretty hard) my swim and bike becomes maintenance only!!
I still haven't figured out that whole 8 or more workouts per week thing! Hopefully one day!

I actually did improve my time from 3:26 to 3:20 using the FIRST 3 day per week beginner plan.


2008-08-25 2:16 PM
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Like I said, people have used it to their own personal success ...... I'd say your improvement in time may have been more based on the work you've done since the marathon before (assuming consistant running and workouts) and less the FIRST program itself.

Coming from almost as much of a running background as I do cycling I do not like the plan myself.  I'm only getting in 3 or 4 runs a week right now and I can feel my run fitness slipping away from what it was when I was marathon focused at the beginning of the year.

As for getting in the more workouts?  That is always the trick but for me it is a lot easier to get a run in then it is to swim or bike.  And you can always brick up your bike with a run right afterwards and make that one of your recovery runs.

I would put out that unless you are running 5 to 7 times a week that you will have a harder time knocking off minutes ....... unless you are nowhere near plateauing and the 3:20 was easy.

2008-08-25 4:17 PM
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Thanks, Rick. Exactly what I was looking for.
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