a shin splint...really?
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() OK, so I use to get shin splints alot back when I was 21-22 yo. For some reason it just went away, I am now 32 and havn't had them in 10 yrs...until now. I have recently been putting in more milage so I am sure that is causing it. Right now trying to ice and just push through it. Are shin splints something I have to look fwd to now. I am up to about 26miles a week and hope to get to 35-40 by late fall.
next question...do you get a light massage a couple days before the race...or wait till after the race and go deep tissue? Edited by sax 2008-08-28 7:36 PM |
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![]() I was getting shin splints when I was training on my own. I got one of the training plans from here and have not gotten more than mild discomfort since. Turns out I was pushing myself too hard. Another thing I've found is to not screw around with pace, stay slow and let speed come to you, don't push for it. It will come slowly but slowly. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I have been using one of Hal Higdon's plans so I believe it's fairly conservative. I have, however, been trying to crank up the speed (yes I know, still slow). Most runs are on pavement. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() How many miles are on your shoes? That may be a factor. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() rowdypaint - 2008-08-28 6:57 PM How many miles are on your shoes? That may be a factor. Got them this month...so less than 80 miles. Although they are pretty lightweight.
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Edited by sax 2008-08-28 9:48 PM |
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Member![]() ![]() | ![]() Rules for shin splints from a veteran competitive runner/running coach (that would be me): 1.) ice cup massage before and after each run 2.) take at least one day off in between runs right now to give them chance to recover, maybe two 3.) stretch your calves really well after using these stretches - a.) stand on a step and drop your heel down, repeat on both legs b.) lie on back, wrap a yoga strap, belt, or rope around your foot, bring your foot up into the air as close to vertical as you can handle it, alternate between flexing/extending foot and use the strap to increase the stretch c.) lying or sitting with legs extended out in front, pull the strap tight against a flexed foot to add resistance and slowly try to extend the foot while maintaining resistance on the strap Check out the Wharton's book on Active Isolated stretching: http://www.aistretch.com/page7/page7.html It's not the old school "hold the stretch for 30-45secs" style of stretching, it's more dynamic, shorter faster movements with resistance to increase ROM. 4.) run on softer surfaces as much as possible - trails, cinders, grass, wood chips. Try running on the shoulder of the road if it's possible 5.) (this is the most important rule) DON'T RUN IN NIKE SHOES High mileage runners don't train in lightweight Nikes. In fact, most runners shun Nike. Nike used to be at the forefront of running shoe technology design - in the 1970s and 1980s. However, in the last 10-15 years, they tend to gravitate towards fashion influence shoes over technological advances. Nike running shoes are gimmicky, not really designed for the person running 30+ miles per week. I know that a lot of the people on here will probably chime in that Nikes are great, etc etc. But for someone like yourself who is approaching a higher level of mileage, you want a different shoe. It will take a good running shoe salesperson to look at your feet, your gait, etc and recommend a few styles of shoe that will work for you. My running shop of choice sells everything but Nikes. The store is owned and staffed exclusively by die hard runners, many of whom competed at high level in the sport. They refuse to sell Nike because they don't stand behind the product. (As an aside, Nike spikes/racing flats are a whole other product. I have raced in their track and cross country spikes and find no problems with those - but I was only wearing those for 20minutes or less once a week at best during racing seasons). |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm assuming that you had a proper gait analysis, right? Shoe and lower leg issues are common culprits in shin splints, esp those that sneak up on you. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() You only ran 20 miles in July, but already ran 76 in August. That probably has a lot to do with it. Cut back on the running, ice, stretch, massage, etc.
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() From a massage therapist that works on lots of athletes I would say ditto to pretty much Kerry's whole post. As to your massage question, I and many of my compatriots are dubious about the performance benefits of getting light work done for a tune up. That isn't to say that the work isn't beneficial for stress reduction or if it is a stretching and active motion session. However, what most therapists consider a "light massage" is pretty much just there to relax the person. Personally, there are two types of work I have both done, and received, prior to races that work out really well. One is a good deep tissue sports massage at least 72 hours pre-race. The goal in this session is usually to work out any nagging issues and leave the muscles as fresh as possible for race day. The other is what you see mostly at the professional level. These are sport tune ups in the hours or minutes prior to an event. The therapist aids the athlete in getting warmed up and the muscles primed for action in shorter events or in refocusing and getting "tuned in" for more endurance style events. Obviously this is a bit more uncommon at the age group level because someone (or group) is paying the cost of the therapist to be there for pretty much a full day. Joshua |
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Giver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() rowdypaint - 2008-08-29 8:14 AM I'm assuming that you had a proper gait analysis, right? Shoe and lower leg issues are common culprits in shin splints, esp those that sneak up on you. x2. That's a lightweight, cushioned show...appropriate for someone under 170lbs with high arches, or who underpronates. Is that you? If not, those are probably the wrong shoes. Also...what Lauren said... |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Roughly 3 years ago I had shin splints so bad I could barely walk. I know the culprit was trying to do too much too fast. Time and rest was the only way to get over it. Although I sometimes have minor twingess I haven't had a problem since. One thing I found that really helped was compression on my shins. I personally used those knee wraps you pull over(Wall Mart) that were a size too small so they were tight on my shins. I immediately felt a LOT better for walking at least. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks for all the great replys. I decided to wait on the massage until next week. I have off for two days now before sunday's race/run. Icing the last 2 days has felt good. I will continue that.
The shoes could be the culprit, but it's hard to tell as the new shoes correlate with my new milage so it could just be the stress from the new milage. I weigh 178 and have low arches, with slight overpronation (normal). Perhaps next week I will go back to my asics for a week or two and see if that helps. I hope it's that easy. Although the asics feel heavy in comparison, as those were my over 200lb shoes from a few months ago :-) Calfs are tight as well, so I will start some more stretching as suggested. Edited by sax 2008-08-29 5:43 PM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() No, SPs are not something you should have to look forward to as you ramp up your mileage Massage, Ice (Either Ice Bath or Ice Packs or both), Some rest when they the shins get tender and you will be fine. Be sure to carefully track your shoe mileage and rotate several pairs of shoes especially as your mileage increases. Keep up the great running and take care of those shins |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Generally shin splints are related to weekly mileage vs. BMI. The more you increase the mileage, the less you should be overweighted otherwise shin splints is around the corner waiting you. The same for calves and other injuries. Another cause for that is that you are running with the wrong shoes and you increase weekly mileage. Just throwing in some possibility to explain that...I don't know you. |
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New user![]() | ![]() kerrylitka - 2008-08-29 10:14 PM Rules for shin splints from a veteran competitive runner/running coach (that would be me): 1.) ice cup massage before and after each run 2.) take at least one day off in between runs right now to give them chance to recover, maybe two 3.) stretch your calves really well after using these stretches - a.) stand on a step and drop your heel down, repeat on both legs b.) lie on back, wrap a yoga strap, belt, or rope around your foot, bring your foot up into the air as close to vertical as you can handle it, alternate between flexing/extending foot and use the strap to increase the stretch c.) lying or sitting with legs extended out in front, pull the strap tight against a flexed foot to add resistance and slowly try to extend the foot while maintaining resistance on the strap Check out the Wharton's book on Active Isolated stretching: http://www.aistretch.com/page7/page7.htmlIt's not the old school "hold the stretch for 30-45secs" style of stretching, it's more dynamic, shorter faster movements with resistance to increase ROM. 4.) run on softer surfaces as much as possible - trails, cinders, grass, wood chips. Try running on the shoulder of the road if it's possible 5.) (this is the most important rule) DON'T RUN IN NIKE SHOES High mileage runners don't train in lightweight Nikes. In fact, most runners shun Nike. Nike used to be at the forefront of running shoe technology design - in the 1970s and 1980s. However, in the last 10-15 years, they tend to gravitate towards fashion influence shoes over technological advances. Nike running shoes are gimmicky, not really designed for the person running 30+ miles per week. I know that a lot of the people on here will probably chime in that Nikes are great, etc etc. But for someone like yourself who is approaching a higher level of mileage, you want a different shoe. It will take a good running shoe salesperson to look at your feet, your gait, etc and recommend a few styles of shoe that will work for you. My running shop of choice sells everything but Nikes. The store is owned and staffed exclusively by die hard runners, many of whom competed at high level in the sport. They refuse to sell Nike because they don't stand behind the product. (As an aside, Nike spikes/racing flats are a whole other product. I have raced in their track and cross country spikes and find no problems with those - but I was only wearing those for 20minutes or less once a week at best during racing seasons).
Kerry, I couldnt have put it better myself! As a physiotherapist, these are the exact recommendations I'd be giving my patients. spot on and keep up the good work |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I've only recently started doing any amount of running so I can only tell you about my personal experience with shin splints. I used to get them everytime I ran but managed to eliminate them by changing how I ran. I was running with more of a heel strike but changed so that I land more on the middle of my foot. That instantly eliminated the shin splints for me... |
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