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2009-10-02 12:38 PM
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JBrashear - 2009-10-02 10:31 AM Before I opened this thread, I put the over/under on how many posts it would take before people started talking about Obama more than the olympics at 3. I'm glad to see I wasn't disappointed by the predictability of the CoJ pundits.


Ya but we also had a brilliant reference to "Speed Brazilian'ing". Does that make up for it?



2009-10-02 12:40 PM
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uclamatt2007 - 2009-10-02 10:38 AM Does anyone else see a possible problem with trying to use an event hosted in Chicago, a town where there would almost inevitably be some corruption scandal leading up to the event, to show the rest of the world  what America is really about?


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2009-10-02 12:47 PM
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Big Appa - 2009-10-02 1:40 PM
uclamatt2007 - 2009-10-02 10:38 AM Does anyone else see a possible problem with trying to use an event hosted in Chicago, a town where there would almost inevitably be some corruption scandal leading up to the event, to show the rest of the world  what America is really about?


Agreed!


A lot of smart people on today.  Good point.  Man, you all must've slept at Holiday Inn Express last night!
2009-10-02 12:50 PM
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IOC to Barack/Daley... NO WE CAN'T

2009-10-02 12:53 PM
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2009-10-02 1:00 PM
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PennState - 2009-10-02 10:53 AM It is inevitable that some reference to the president would occur. If it were Bush, people would have commented as well. It's life, accept it... I am actually curious why we were the 1st ones out? Anyone have any really good idea why? (Aside from the JC theory )


I have a few ideas... none of them backed with facts of course

1. The 75% disapproval rating for the olympics among Chicagoans was fairly well publicized. Who wants to vote to send the olympics somewhere where the people don't want it.

2. I have heard some reports that some within the IOC were offended by Obama treating it like a business meeting, just dropping in and then taking off, not even bothering to stick around for the result. Again, no hard facts on this one, so take it for what its worth.



2009-10-02 1:45 PM
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Obama musing, "why did I bring Oprah, should have brought  Beyonce instead"
2009-10-02 1:48 PM
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I opposed the Olympics, mostly because I find it incredible that a city, county and state that can barely balance their own budgets while slashing services think it is a good idea to spend billions on an event that will likely lose hundreds of millions of dollars. I believe the motivating factor was as much corruption as civic pride. The price gouging and skimming of contracts would have been epic in one of the most corrupt cities in the nation.

I don't know if Rio will be any better, but if it is just as bad, then I won't be on the hook for it with even higher taxes.
2009-10-02 1:49 PM
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2009-10-02 1:55 PM
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Girls from Ipanema or Girls from Lake Michigan beaches...
2009-10-02 2:03 PM
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PennState - 2009-10-02 11:49 AM Nah, he should have brought Kanye


Yo Rio, I'm gonna let you finish alright.  But Michele just had one of the best of speeches of the year about MS and the Olympics yo. 


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2009-10-02 2:08 PM
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PennState - 2009-10-02 10:53 AM It is inevitable that some reference to the president would occur. If it were Bush, people would have commented as well. It's life, accept it... I am actually curious why we were the 1st ones out? Anyone have any really good idea why? (Aside from the JC theory )


Well I am sure that video of the kid being beaten to death in a Chicago neighborhood didn't help any....   Not that there isn't crime in Rio/Tokyo/wherever, but that was utterly brutal
2009-10-02 2:16 PM
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I think it was all based on slogans.  Rio's "live your passion" thumped Chicago's "let friendship shine."


 

 

2009-10-02 2:34 PM
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Were folks as far as determining the mascot?  This can be huge in these decisions.

2009-10-02 2:44 PM
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PennState - 2009-10-02 10:53 AM It is inevitable that some reference to the president would occur. If it were Bush, people would have commented as well. It's life, accept it... I am actually curious why we were the 1st ones out? Anyone have any really good idea why? (Aside from the JC theory )


Well I am sure that video of the kid being beaten to death in a Chicago neighborhood didn't help any....   Not that there isn't crime in Rio/Tokyo/wherever, but that was utterly brutal


Yeah...because the crime in Rio is so moderate...

From the AP
A police shootout with criminals stopped a commuter train and sent passengers fleeing for cover. Officers conducted a drug raid on a slum, keeping 2,000 children out of school. Police got into gun battles that killed more than a dozen suspected traffickers.

All this happened in early September, during the same week that the International Olympic Committee released a report giving generally high praise to Rio's bid for the 2016 Games.

It was hardly an unusual week in this city of 6 million, where major highways -- including one that links the international airport to key tourism beaches -- are periodically shut down by shootouts.

 



2009-10-02 2:48 PM
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ChrisM - 2009-10-02 3:08 PM
PennState - 2009-10-02 10:53 AM It is inevitable that some reference to the president would occur. If it were Bush, people would have commented as well. It's life, accept it... I am actually curious why we were the 1st ones out? Anyone have any really good idea why? (Aside from the JC theory )


Well I am sure that video of the kid being beaten to death in a Chicago neighborhood didn't help any....   Not that there isn't crime in Rio/Tokyo/wherever, but that was utterly brutal


Yeah...because the crime in Rio is so moderate...

From the AP
A police shootout with criminals stopped a commuter train and sent passengers fleeing for cover. Officers conducted a drug raid on a slum, keeping 2,000 children out of school. Police got into gun battles that killed more than a dozen suspected traffickers.

All this happened in early September, during the same week that the International Olympic Committee released a report giving generally high praise to Rio's bid for the 2016 Games.

It was hardly an unusual week in this city of 6 million, where major highways -- including one that links the international airport to key tourism beaches -- are periodically shut down by shootouts.

 



My dad's been to Rio a few times.  He said there's 1 tourist area with a bunch of hotels and clubs and then there's the rest that is apparently horrible.  They'll probably have a line to tell people "you are now leaving the safe zone...Go with God."

2009-10-02 2:56 PM
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GomesBolt - 2009-10-02 12:48 PM
JustTriDave - 2009-10-02 3:44 PM
ChrisM - 2009-10-02 3:08 PM
PennState - 2009-10-02 10:53 AM It is inevitable that some reference to the president would occur. If it were Bush, people would have commented as well. It's life, accept it... I am actually curious why we were the 1st ones out? Anyone have any really good idea why? (Aside from the JC theory )


Well I am sure that video of the kid being beaten to death in a Chicago neighborhood didn't help any....   Not that there isn't crime in Rio/Tokyo/wherever, but that was utterly brutal


Yeah...because the crime in Rio is so moderate...

From the AP
A police shootout with criminals stopped a commuter train and sent passengers fleeing for cover. Officers conducted a drug raid on a slum, keeping 2,000 children out of school. Police got into gun battles that killed more than a dozen suspected traffickers.

All this happened in early September, during the same week that the International Olympic Committee released a report giving generally high praise to Rio's bid for the 2016 Games.

It was hardly an unusual week in this city of 6 million, where major highways -- including one that links the international airport to key tourism beaches -- are periodically shut down by shootouts.

 



My dad's been to Rio a few times.  He said there's 1 tourist area with a bunch of hotels and clubs and then there's the rest that is apparently horrible.  They'll probably have a line to tell people "you are now leaving the safe zone...Go with God."



wow, it's almost like I said there's no crime in Rio.... almost
2009-10-02 3:12 PM
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Meh.

 Rio really has the most compelling argument--no Olympics ever held in South America. They sound like the front-runner. Madrid's a tough sell because by 2016, there will have been several in a row in Europe (three I think).

And how much fun would the Olympics be in Rio?! Par-tay!



Just be sure to dodge the fire from the gang warfare that is going on as you're getting from one venue to the next.

You talking Chicago or Rio?  You could say the same about both.

Golf clap.



Why a golf clap?  Seriously, it's horrible in both places. 
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PennState - 2009-10-02 1:53 PM It is inevitable that some reference to the president would occur. If it were Bush, people would have commented as well. It's life, accept it... I am actually curious why we were the 1st ones out? Anyone have any really good idea why? (Aside from the JC theory )


This might be a reason

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However,  the triumphant Chicago presentation--the culmination of a $48 million package--had cold water thrown onto it when Pakistani IOC member Syed Shahid Ali correctly noted the significant difficulties facing foreigners seeking entry into the United States. Obama failed to address Ali's concerns, saying only that hosting the Games in Chicago would be "a reminder that America at its best is open to the world."

America's visa processing issues have been well-publicized throughout much of the world, with some tourists waiting six months or more to have a 10 minute appointment with a visa examiner in an embassy or consulate to visit America on a vacation. Business visas or those for cultural ambassadors, like artists and athletes, are similarly problematic. Many applicants complain that the system is opaque at best and a crap shoot at worst, with few guidelines provided for applicants and rejections issued pro forma.

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PennState - 2009-10-02 1:53 PM  It's life It is inevitable that some reference to the president would occur. If it were Bush, people would have commented as well., accept it... I am actually curious why we were the 1st ones out? Anyone have any really good idea why? (Aside from the JC theory )


I haven't been able to find anything on BT from when the former presiden't said this....

"They say that the Olympics will come to Chicago if we're fortunate enough to be selected, but really it's coming to America, and I can't think of a better city to represent the United States than Chicago," Bush said.

He added, "This country supports your bid, strongly."



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JustTriDave - 2009-10-02 1:18 PM
PennState - 2009-10-02 1:53 PM  It's life It is inevitable that some reference to the president would occur. If it were Bush, people would have commented as well., accept it... I am actually curious why we were the 1st ones out? Anyone have any really good idea why? (Aside from the JC theory )


I haven't been able to find anything on BT from when the former presiden't said this....

"They say that the Olympics will come to Chicago if we're fortunate enough to be selected, but really it's coming to America, and I can't think of a better city to represent the United States than Chicago," Bush said.

He added, "This country supports your bid, strongly."



I would think that PennState meant that if Bush had spoken in front of the IOC, what he said would have been discussed. The meeting that you link to was him meeting with the Chicago bid commitee and the comments weren't picked up by national media.
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I think that Obama will be critized, rightly or wrongly, because it was stated that once he committed to go that Chicago was going to win the bid. At least this was the overwhelming view by the media in Chicago.

Before Obama committed to going people said it was a toss up between Chicago & Rio - when Obama committed it was suppose to seal the deal. His "Rock Star" power would win over the IOC it was stated numerous times in the Chicago media.

Valerie Jarrett was confident that this was the going to win it for Chicago. When it doesn't happen there of course will be blame laid at his feet.

2009-10-02 3:50 PM
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I think the whole issue I have with Obama making an appearance at the IOC is this:

The Presidency is a significant position and the President's time should be used like calling-in your boss to get something done when you're running into a wall. 

Obama on the other hand seems to think he needs to spread his presence around the whole word.  He's been on television more than new episodes of The Office and he's over-exposing his position. 

The President showing-up used to mean something.  Now it just means he's bored and wants to appear.

George W Bush did appear at schools, functions, etc, but he wasn't on the air every single week.  Barrack comes-across as liking to see himself on television...what's the word for that??? 
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GomesBolt - 2009-10-02 3:50 PM I think the whole issue I have with Obama making an appearance at the IOC is this:

The Presidency is a significant position and the President's time should be used like calling-in your boss to get something done when you're running into a wall. 

Obama on the other hand seems to think he needs to spread his presence around the whole word.  He's been on television more than new episodes of The Office and he's over-exposing his position. 

The President showing-up used to mean something.  Now it just means he's bored and wants to appear.

George W Bush did appear at schools, functions, etc, but he wasn't on the air every single week.  Barrack comes-across as liking to see himself on television...what's the word for that??? 


I need to find it but I had read that in the first 8 months of his presidency he had given 4x as many speeches then Clinton and Bush.
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