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Elite 3972 Reno | Subject: RE: Must read books I am bonding with Ayn Rand right now. |
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Veteran 458 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Must read books Wow...BTers are an academic group indeed...citing all these titles Here are mine: |
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Extreme Veteran 930 Fort Worth, TX | Subject: RE: Must read books ride_like_u_stole_it - 2009-11-03 1:58 PM mrbbrad - 2009-11-03 1:47 PM My wife and I started on an American Classics Crusade of sorts; Vonnegut, Steinbeck, Salinger, etc. and I have hit a bit of a wall with Hemingway. I struggled through Sun Also Rises and am almost done with Farewell to Arms. Frankly, I don't get it. Why is he considered by many to be a great author? Mind you, there are gems throughout both books but you really have to mine for them. I have skimmed over several pages of inane dialogue and pointless prose. What is the deal? Any lit majors out there? eta whole words Hemingway's style was very new at the time. No-one else was writing in the short, clipped, spare sentences and restricted vocabulary that he used. I also think that because of his style, his work has been a favorite of high school anthologies. Exposure has kept his star polished. On the other hand, were it not for Hemingway, we wouldn't have Cormac McCarthy. Great answer - I am a fan of both authors, however, I would put Cormac McCarthy more as a descendent from the Faulkner school. Lots of great books on these posts - Impressive how well read BT'ers are! |
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Member 126 Richmond VA | Subject: RE: Must read books graceful dave wrote: Sick Puppy by Carl Hiaasen is another favorite of mine. Edited by bayrunner 2009-11-03 10:07 PM |
2009-11-03 10:10 PM in reply to: #2496272 |
Mountain View, CA | Subject: RE: Must read books blairrob - 2009-11-03 5:53 PM puellasolis - 2009-11-03 8:14 PM Hey, what's this box marked "Pandora?" Iliad and Odyssey - Homer, conventionally Symposium - Plato (the Benardete translation is good; the Loeb dual-language edition is a little dry) Republic - Plato Nicomachean Ethics and Politics - Aristotle Divine Comedy, particularly Inferno - Dante (the Hollander translation is my favorite; I'd stay away from Pinsky's) Leviathan - Hobbes Letters Concerning Toleration and Two Treatises of Government - Locke The Social Contract, Discourse on the Origin of Inequality among Men, and Discourse on the Arts and Sciences - Rousseau The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism - Weber Tearing myself away from my Classics of Social & Political Thought reading list... The Jungle - Sinclair 1984 and Animal Farm - Orwell Brave New World - Huxley Letters to a Young Poet - Rilke (I like the Mitchell translation) Siddhartha - Hesse Cloud Atlas - Mitchell The Making of the Atomic Bomb - Rhodes (Note: if a work isn't originally in English and I don't recommend a translation, it's because either I've only read one translation and don't know if that that one was particularly good, or I'm only familiar with the original language work.) Why do I all of a sudden feel like I've been reading comic books all my life? Speaking of comic books, I'm adding Persepolis (Satrapi) to my list. |
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Extreme Veteran 1996 Halifax, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Must read books SpottedCow - 2009-11-03 11:21 PM Wow...BTers are an academic group indeed...citing all these titles Here are mine: A good question is 'what is a must read'- the best book you've read, or your favourite book? They are different for me. I've read The Brothers Karamazov once, and I won't read it again. But I reread the chapter 'The Grand Inquisitor' every few years. Best book I've read, not my favourite. I will reread all of For Whom the Bell Tolls a few more times before I die, as well as 'The Waiter' (read those 10 pages to find out if you like Hemingway or not) and The Snows of K'. And Conrad's 'Typhoon' but you might have to be a sailor to love it. I read all of Peter Mayle's books, 'A Year in Provence' 3 times. I read Beck Weathers book on Everest 2 or 3 times. I really enjoyed he and his wife's take on a fascinating story, but I can't say it or Mayle's should be a 'must read' for anyone else. The strike chords in me but won't in most, and aren't great lit. I loved 'Ordinary People' but hated 'Catcher in the Rye'. Maybe a great book but I don't think you miss much by not reading it. I do think you miss an epic story if you don't read 'For Whom the Bell Tolls' because, after all, it tolls for you (all of you! ) edited- because I didn't go to bed when I should have Edited by blairrob 2009-11-03 10:23 PM |
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Extreme Veteran 1996 Halifax, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Must read books puellasolis - 2009-11-04 12:10 AM blairrob - 2009-11-03 5:53 PM Speaking of comic books, I'm adding Persepolis (Satrapi) to my list. Why do I all of a sudden feel like I've been reading comic books all my life? That doesn't make me feel much better... The emoticon with the tongue hanging out, however, does... skewer those and you could put them in a martini. I think I need to go to bed. |
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Mountain View, CA | Subject: RE: Must read books blairrob - 2009-11-03 8:18 PM puellasolis - 2009-11-04 12:10 AM blairrob - 2009-11-03 5:53 PM Speaking of comic books, I'm adding Persepolis (Satrapi) to my list. Why do I all of a sudden feel like I've been reading comic books all my life? That doesn't make me feel much better... The emoticon with the tongue hanging out, however, does... skewer those and you could put them in a martini. I think I need to go to bed. But it's a comic book! |
2009-11-03 11:16 PM in reply to: #2496421 |
Champion 4835 Eat Cheese or Die | Subject: RE: Must read books bayrunner - 2009-11-03 10:06 PM graceful dave wrote: Sick Puppy by Carl Hiaasen is another favorite of mine. I think I've read most of Hiaasen's novels except the most recent. Usually what happens with fiction/novels is I find a writer I like, go to the used book store, buy and read everything I can get my hands on and then move onto a new author while waiting for old favorites' new releases to come out in paperback. I generally have one novel and one thinking book going at a time. When I am traveling for work I usually get through 2 novels a week. When not traveling for a full week my speed is about a half a novel a week reading a bit before bead. The thinking books take longer if I manage to stick with them at all. If you liked Hiaasen, you have to check out Tim Dorsey. Start from the beginning with Florida Roadkill. As far as other Florida crime comedy writers, I find Elmore Leonard to be hit or miss. I like some of his books, particularly Big trouble (made into a movie that I also enjoy) and I dislike some of his other books. To the person who asked for non academic books: Ted Bell a fairly recently started writer. His books are a mix of James Bond and Jason Bourne. Hawke was the first but I like the entire series. The Hawke series: * 2003 - Hawke * 2004 - Assassin * 2005 - Pirate * 2006 - Spy * 2008 - Tsar Speaking of Bourne. Robert Ludlum has not disappointed me yet. I also enjoy the continuation of the Bourne series done by Eric Van Lustbader. He is more well known as a SciFi writer but I am not much for that genre. The continuation of the Bourne series: The Bourne Legacy (2004) The Bourne Betrayal (2007) The Bourne Sanction (2008) I have not read the two most recent The Bourne Deception (2009) The Bourne Objective (2010) My most recent find was the Pendergast series done by Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child. It's myster/scifi/action. I've also read a few of Douglas Preston's individual works. Some have been along the same lines as the Pendergast books others remind me of Dan Brown's formula. Pendergast Novels: Relic (1995) Reliquary (1997) Thunderhead (1999) - This is not a Pendergast novel, but some of the main characters are secondary characters in the Pendergast novels written before and after it. They all make the most sense if read in this order although you can read them as stand alone books and still enjoy. The Cabinet of Curiosities (2002) Still Life with Crows (2003) I happened to read this while driving around Iowa and Nebraska in August. Odd coincidence that had me freaked out the entire week. - The three following books are called the Diogenes Trilogy and are much more enjoyable if read in order. Brimstone (2004) Dance of Death (2005) The Book of the Dead (2006) - The Wheel of Darkness (2007) The very beginning and very end are somewhat encryptic if you have not read the Diogenes Trilogy, but it is fine as a stand alone. Cemetery Dance (2009) - I haven't read this one yet. There are a couple other novels that do not include agent Pendergast, but I've enjoyed them almost as much. Mount Dragon (1996) Riptide (1998) The Ice Limit (2000) If you can't tell I've really enjoyed the work from these two guys. Edited by graceful_dave 2009-11-03 11:30 PM |
2009-11-04 6:59 AM in reply to: #2495365 |
Pro 4189 Pittsburgh, my heart is in Glasgow | Subject: RE: Must read books A book that changed my life: On the Road by Jack Kerouac And others: A Tree Grows in Brooklyn by Betty Smith A Night in November and Stones in His Pockets by Marie Jones. It's a combo book of two short plays. One is about football and Belfast in a long round about way...but very well written and quick. A newer one that is not really "high lit"...If Chins Could Kill; Confessions of a B Movie Actor by Bruce Campbell. Yes, that Bruce Campbell of Evil Dead fame. It's his autobiography. I laughed my way from Glasgow to Newark reading it. |
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Expert 1158 A Husker stuck in VA | Subject: RE: Must read books ashort33 - 2009-11-03 2:52 PM Animal Farm - George Orwell Awesome book, actually reccomended it to my babysitter and her 12th grade Lit teacher lauded her for it. For some light hearted reading I would suggest: The Zombie Survival Guide World War Z Day by Day to Armafgaedon (sp?)- almost done with this one now |
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2009-11-04 7:25 AM in reply to: #2496272 |
Subject: RE: Must read books blairrob - 2009-11-03 8:53 PM puellasolis - 2009-11-03 8:14 PM Hey, what's this box marked "Pandora?" Iliad and Odyssey - Homer, conventionally Symposium - Plato (the Benardete translation is good; the Loeb dual-language edition is a little dry) Republic - Plato Nicomachean Ethics and Politics - Aristotle Divine Comedy, particularly Inferno - Dante (the Hollander translation is my favorite; I'd stay away from Pinsky's) Leviathan - Hobbes Letters Concerning Toleration and Two Treatises of Government - Locke The Social Contract, Discourse on the Origin of Inequality among Men, and Discourse on the Arts and Sciences - Rousseau The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism - Weber Tearing myself away from my Classics of Social & Political Thought reading list... The Jungle - Sinclair 1984 and Animal Farm - Orwell Brave New World - Huxley Letters to a Young Poet - Rilke (I like the Mitchell translation) Siddhartha - Hesse Cloud Atlas - Mitchell The Making of the Atomic Bomb - Rhodes (Note: if a work isn't originally in English and I don't recommend a translation, it's because either I've only read one translation and don't know if that that one was particularly good, or I'm only familiar with the original language work.) Why do I all of a sudden feel like I've been reading comic books all my life? Because it's pretty evident that her favorites list is colored by something she studied in college/grad school (maybe has a degree in that specific area of literature/philosophy, or really enjoyed a particular class). And before anyone jumps down my throat, that's not a bad thing. If I made a list, it would look similar in that most of my selections would be from a particular genre or school of thought, since I have a degree in Lit (I've read a chunk of what's on her list as well). That's all. That list is just a fraction of all of the stuff that's out there. You can't possibly read EVERYTHING that's out there, so focusing on what you like makes sense. Speaking of academics, I had a professor in grad school who laughed at me when I said that I liked Steinbeck...was never sure what to make of that. Edited by wurkit_gurl 2009-11-04 7:26 AM |
2009-11-04 7:27 AM in reply to: #2496478 |
Expert 1158 A Husker stuck in VA | Subject: RE: Must read books graceful_dave - 2009-11-04 12:16 AM bayrunner - 2009-11-03 10:06 PM Pendergast Novels: Relic (1995) Reliquary (1997) Thunderhead (1999) - This is not a Pendergast novel, but some of the main characters are secondary characters in the Pendergast novels written before and after it. They all make the most sense if read in this order although you can read them as stand alone books and still enjoy. The Cabinet of Curiosities (2002) Still Life with Crows (2003) I happened to read this while driving around Iowa and Nebraska in August. Odd coincidence that had me freaked out the entire week. - The three following books are called the Diogenes Trilogy and are much more enjoyable if read in order. Brimstone (2004) Dance of Death (2005) The Book of the Dead (2006) - The Wheel of Darkness (2007) The very beginning and very end are somewhat encryptic if you have not read the Diogenes Trilogy, but it is fine as a stand alone. Cemetery Dance (2009) - I haven't read this one yet. There are a couple other novels that do not include agent Pendergast, but I've enjoyed them almost as much. Mount Dragon (1996) Riptide (1998) The Ice Limit (2000) If you can't tell I've really enjoyed the work from these two guys. I was going to add these. My favorite book was Riptide, closely followed by Thunderhead. Love the originals in this set of books from these authors. Although I will note that "Still life with Crows" occured in Kansas not Nebraska (being from NE I feel the need to point this out). |
2009-11-04 7:46 AM in reply to: #2495365 |
Extreme Veteran 388 | Subject: RE: Must read books Another to add... "Without Remorse" - Tom Clancy (John Kelly/John Clark, not a Jack Ryan one) |
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Expert 1158 A Husker stuck in VA | Subject: RE: Must read books swimbikeandrun - 2009-11-04 8:46 AM Another to add... "Without Remorse" - Tom Clancy (John Kelly/John Clark, not a Jack Ryan one) By far my favorite Clancy book, followed closely by Rainbow Six. If you like military themed or Leadership style books I suggest: Lincoln on Leadership- Donald T. Phillips |
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Champion 4835 Eat Cheese or Die | Subject: RE: Must read books NavyTRIChief - 2009-11-04 7:27 AM graceful_dave - 2009-11-04 12:16 AM bayrunner - 2009-11-03 10:06 PM Pendergast Novels: Relic (1995) Reliquary (1997) Thunderhead (1999) - This is not a Pendergast novel, but some of the main characters are secondary characters in the Pendergast novels written before and after it. They all make the most sense if read in this order although you can read them as stand alone books and still enjoy. The Cabinet of Curiosities (2002) Still Life with Crows (2003) I happened to read this while driving around Iowa and Nebraska in August. Odd coincidence that had me freaked out the entire week. - The three following books are called the Diogenes Trilogy and are much more enjoyable if read in order. Brimstone (2004) Dance of Death (2005) The Book of the Dead (2006) - The Wheel of Darkness (2007) The very beginning and very end are somewhat encryptic if you have not read the Diogenes Trilogy, but it is fine as a stand alone. Cemetery Dance (2009) - I haven't read this one yet. There are a couple other novels that do not include agent Pendergast, but I've enjoyed them almost as much. Mount Dragon (1996) Riptide (1998) The Ice Limit (2000) If you can't tell I've really enjoyed the work from these two guys. I was going to add these. My favorite book was Riptide, closely followed by Thunderhead. Love the originals in this set of books from these authors. Although I will note that "Still life with Crows" occured in Kansas not Nebraska (being from NE I feel the need to point this out). I know. It was all the corn that made it seem like the same place. |
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Elite 3395 Raleigh | Subject: RE: Must read books Common Snese - Thomas Paine The Wealth of Nations - Adam Smith Anything by Philip Dick I claudius - Thomas Graves The Right Stuff - Tom Wolfe Stranger in a Strange Land Robert Heinlein Hart's War - John Katzenbach Tuxedo Park - Jennet Conant Elements of Style - Strunk and White |
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Veteran 331 Roxborough Park | Subject: RE: Must read books Geez, I didn't think they had books in Dartmouth! I loved Owen Meany, but was really disappointed by the movie. I guess Irving just doesn't translate well to the screen. Random fact here, Irving was so irritated with how far they strayed from his story that he didn't allow "A Prayer for Owen Meany" to be the title which is why the movie was called "Simon Birch". If you don't expect the movie to be anything like the book, I think it's a decent movie on its own. Terrible representation of the book though. |
2009-11-04 9:56 AM in reply to: #2496705 |
Master 1946 Memphis, TN | Subject: RE: Must read books swimbikeandrun - 2009-11-04 7:46 AM Another to add... "Without Remorse" - Tom Clancy (John Kelly/John Clark, not a Jack Ryan one) One of my favorite Clancy novels. I'm a pretty big Clancy fan with Rainbow Six, Debt of Honor and I'm about to read Patriot Games. I would also add John Irving with The World According to Garp The Cider House Rules The 158 pound Marriage BlackHawk Down by Mark Bowden JarHead by Anthony Swofford These will make you take a new look on modern warfare and the lives our armed forces go through Rex Picket's Sideways is a great novel far better than the movie |
2009-11-04 10:58 AM in reply to: #2496426 |
Veteran 458 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Must read books A good question is 'what is a must read'- the best book you've read, or your favourite book? They are different for me. Good point! I love checking out book lists in hopes of discovering a new and exciting gem - but I just don't want to reread "The Jungle" during my next vacation |
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Champion 5376 PA | Subject: RE: Must read books NavyTRIChief - 2009-11-04 8:21 AM ashort33 - 2009-11-03 2:52 PM Animal Farm - George Orwell Awesome book, actually reccomended it to my babysitter and her 12th grade Lit teacher lauded her for it. For some light hearted reading I would suggest: The Zombie Survival Guide World War Z Day by Day to Armafgaedon (sp?)- almost done with this one now I didn't like The Zombie Survival Guide or WWZ. I did like Lights Out. I have it on .PDF around here somewhere if you want it. |
2009-11-04 11:24 AM in reply to: #2496660 |
Mountain View, CA | Subject: RE: Must read books wurkit_gurl - 2009-11-04 5:25 AM blairrob - 2009-11-03 8:53 PM puellasolis - 2009-11-03 8:14 PM Hey, what's this box marked "Pandora?" Iliad and Odyssey - Homer, conventionally Symposium - Plato (the Benardete translation is good; the Loeb dual-language edition is a little dry) Republic - Plato Nicomachean Ethics and Politics - Aristotle Divine Comedy, particularly Inferno - Dante (the Hollander translation is my favorite; I'd stay away from Pinsky's) Leviathan - Hobbes Letters Concerning Toleration and Two Treatises of Government - Locke The Social Contract, Discourse on the Origin of Inequality among Men, and Discourse on the Arts and Sciences - Rousseau The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism - Weber Tearing myself away from my Classics of Social & Political Thought reading list... The Jungle - Sinclair 1984 and Animal Farm - Orwell Brave New World - Huxley Letters to a Young Poet - Rilke (I like the Mitchell translation) Siddhartha - Hesse Cloud Atlas - Mitchell The Making of the Atomic Bomb - Rhodes (Note: if a work isn't originally in English and I don't recommend a translation, it's because either I've only read one translation and don't know if that that one was particularly good, or I'm only familiar with the original language work.) Why do I all of a sudden feel like I've been reading comic books all my life? Because it's pretty evident that her favorites list is colored by something she studied in college/grad school (maybe has a degree in that specific area of literature/philosophy, or really enjoyed a particular class). And before anyone jumps down my throat, that's not a bad thing. If I made a list, it would look similar in that most of my selections would be from a particular genre or school of thought, since I have a degree in Lit (I've read a chunk of what's on her list as well). That's all. That list is just a fraction of all of the stuff that's out there. You can't possibly read EVERYTHING that's out there, so focusing on what you like makes sense. Speaking of academics, I had a professor in grad school who laughed at me when I said that I liked Steinbeck...was never sure what to make of that. Except that mine isn't a favorites list at all. Some of them are favorites (Cloud Atlas, Letters to a Young Poet, and Symposium, for example), but for the most part, I differentiate between favorites and books that I think are really good for people to have read. The OP solicited suggestions for "must-read" books, and maybe I misunderstood or made a distinction there that the OP didn't intend. I didn't list Leviathan or Weber because I loved reading them. They're long and heavy, and I found it quite a slog to get through them (a fascinating slog, but a slog nonetheless). But I think that it's important to understand how we arrived at this particular point in our culture, society, and politics, and what better way to do that than to read the works of some of the most influential writers? I suppose it's also worth noting that my listing the book as a must-read doesn't mean that I agree with everything in it. Aristotle's section on slavery in Politics, for example... yeah, not so much. Anyway, I didn't major in sociology or poli sci (I majored in physics), but my undergrad school has a requirement that every student take a year of social sciences, and the sequence I took was amazing. Personally, I'm a big believer in having a well-rounded education, and I get that not everyone feels the same way. That's a-okay--my feelings won't be hurt if no one wants to rush out and read Rousseau. (Though really, Cloud Atlas is very cool once you get past the rather mind-numbing opening section.) |
2009-11-04 2:16 PM in reply to: #2495365 |
On your right | Subject: RE: Must read books McCarthy's Bar - Peter McCarthy |
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Subject: RE: Must read books puellasolis - 2009-11-04 12:24 PM Except that mine isn't a favorites list at all. Some of them are favorites (Cloud Atlas, Letters to a Young Poet, and Symposium, for example), but for the most part, I differentiate between favorites and books that I think are really good for people to have read. The OP solicited suggestions for "must-read" books, and maybe I misunderstood or made a distinction there that the OP didn't intend. I didn't list Leviathan or Weber because I loved reading them. They're long and heavy, and I found it quite a slog to get through them (a fascinating slog, but a slog nonetheless). But I think that it's important to understand how we arrived at this particular point in our culture, society, and politics, and what better way to do that than to read the works of some of the most influential writers? I suppose it's also worth noting that my listing the book as a must-read doesn't mean that I agree with everything in it. Aristotle's section on slavery in Politics, for example... yeah, not so much. Anyway, I didn't major in sociology or poli sci (I majored in physics), but my undergrad school has a requirement that every student take a year of social sciences, and the sequence I took was amazing. Personally, I'm a big believer in having a well-rounded education, and I get that not everyone feels the same way. That's a-okay--my feelings won't be hurt if no one wants to rush out and read Rousseau. (Though really, Cloud Atlas is very cool once you get past the rather mind-numbing opening section.) Okay, fine, so they weren't all your favorites - must-read may be different from favorite, however, I'd expect that a lot of books one MIGHT suggest as a "must read" would be things that they enjoyed in some way. And I wasn't saying that your list is wrong or bad. Just trying to allay the worries of the guy who felt bad for not having read Rousseau and Locke, etc. And I was correct - the list you put down was from a class you took that you enjoyed Not saying it's bad, and I'm not saying you shouldn't be well-rounded. I've read a TON of different stuff from all sorts of genres and schools of thought, including a bunch of stuff from your list and all the other lists people mentioned here. So if I were to make a list of "must-reads", I'd either focus on one or two genres (like you did, partly), or pick just one or two examples from each, neither of which would be sufficient to cover all of the good stuff that's out there. That was merely my point. |
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