Dairy Debate (Page 3)

Keri, I'm on my phone so I can't quote properly, but the burden of proof is on you because you're making claims that fly in the face of known physiology, and you're quoting nonscientific sources as your references.

How are my questions not relevant?
You said:
"I can explain to you what happens to food when you eat it, how it gets processed, and how it gets eliminated.  Can you explain to me where these allergens remain in your body?"

So I asked you, the Dr., could they possibly be stored in our blood for more than a day or two?  I think energy can be stored in cells for sometime, any chance other "stuff" could be stored in our cells for more than a day?

ETA: Further, could they stimulate a response in the body that is objectionable? 

Edited by VeganMan 2011-01-12 10:16 AM

Keri, everything we eat that's digestible is broken down into smaller chemical components, and smaller ones, until they are molecules that are actually used by cells in some way ... within a few hours, really.

It's a scientific fact along the lines of mammals generally have a heart and two lungs, females have mammary glands, that sort of thing. I mean, it is very basic textbook science.

Also, there's a huge difference between an intolerance and an allergy.

I'm not trying to be snarky or condescending here. It's truly just the facts.

You eat kettlebells? That is bad a$$ right there.

Energy isn't matter (at least not at the level we're talking about) and it is not 'stored' in cells.

So why do some drugs take time to leave the system?

I'm very curious about this topic as well, as I have clients that I regularly give dietary advice too, mostly people interested in losing weight. I almost always encourage people to eliminate "problematic" foods form their diet for a period of 30 days to allow time for the body (for example, the gut lining) to heal completely, and that even one slip-up with something like gluten may prevent someone from experiencing the full effect of elimination of the allergen from the diet.
I try very hard to do the following when it comes to educating myself on nutrition info:
1. be open-minded and always open to hearing opposing viewpoints, as this is the only way to expand knowledge
2. Remember that scientific thinking does NOT come naturally and that the bias will always be to "common sense", which is often wrong or at least makes bias easy.
3. remind clients that their own experiences trumps science. If something, or the lack of something, makes you feel better, that experience means more than any scientific literature, lack of proof, abundant proof, etc.

It seems like common sense to me that things like dairy and gluten, which many people have at least a mild sensitivity to (as in being gassy or bloated) takes more than one day to leave the body but maybe it's really the EFFECTS OF THE EXPOSURE that hang around for 7-10 days. The aftermath of a gluten-filled meal on a celiac will not go away in just one day. So does the gluten go away in one day but the effects remain as the body now has an inflammatory response to deal with?
Derek, as a doctor you may be put in an unfair position here when us lay-people talk about medical or nutrition info, but it can really help us and the others reading these threads if you can use YOUR knowledge to further OURS. I know you are busy with your family and your medical practice, but if you have any time to offer your thoughts or any studies you know of on how long an inflammatory response lasts after an allergen exposure, that would help our understanding of this issue.

Drugs unlike food are not broken down into "usable" components and incorporated into the body.  They need to be removed relativly intact, though this is a way oversimplifaction but I really don't think you want me to get into drug metabolim and intermediates.  Those compounds must circulate through the system until they are used for their intended purpose and then eliminated from the body by the filtering systems.   Food is baiscally you in another form drugs are not.

I understand what ya'll are saying.  Yes, I am the one saying this and I am simply repeating what I have read/been told/heard.  I know and understand how digestion works, I have a little bit of background on that from my national cert.  Not a lot, just a little. 

This information isn't 'mine' I am not offended that/if I am wrong at all.  This information is out there and obviously repeated for better or worse.  I am part of a support group for women who practice attachment parenting including extended breastfeeding.  I would LOVE to have a source for them that dispells all the information that is out there.  Everything we can find says it takes at least 10 days to get dairy out of the system.  For a lot of people removing dairy for 10 days or more is hard and knowing that may not even be the issue makes it harder.

When I was saying I'd love something disputing what I originally posted I was not being combative I was being honest.  If you search the words everything says it takes that long to get it out of your system.  Ya'll are saying that is not the case and honestly I do not know, I only know my personal experience which is obviously anecdotal, only my experience with ONE child and who knows if it really was the dairy? 

OBs, lactation consultants, pediatricians are telling women this not just some article I Googled.  Obviously this does not make it 100% correct maybe they are all wrong.  I would like to find something that states what ya'll are saying so I can post it. 

Yes, food breaks down is used, wasted etc.  I get that but many, many people are told this all the time so if it's wrong and I am going to tell them it's wrong because they are asking ME I'd like to give them something to read. 

So there is nothing that stays in the blood stream for more than a couple days? 

This is what I was thinking as well.
I am allergic to coconut if I eat/drink it I will have a reaction about 24 hours later and it will last 3 days.  The cocunut is obviously not hanging out but the affects of it to my body are.

Hey, maybe bovine milk is like a drug to humans. That stuff was designed to turn a (on average) 100 lb calf into a (on average) 1600 lb cow.

I think this is what a few of us are trying to say....does anyone object to this?

Um no The main difference is cow's milk has more protien to build muscles on a calf and less lactose (sugar).  That is why human milk is thinner and sweeter than cows milk.  The protiens themselves are fairly analogous.

As a celiac I can confirm this!
The gluten damages the small intestine, thus preventing normal digestion for sometimes days afterward (every person is different - for me it is about 48 hours. For my sister, she will sometimes have issues a week later). I am hearing those with other intolerances like lactose have similar extended symptoms/effects.

That's what they want us to believe. I don't know about the rest of you, but this thread is sending me for my tin foil hat. Or a cheese head. Go Pack!

I'm supposed to pack?  Where are we going?

I'm lactose intolerant and it's pretty much the same thing.  Depending on what it is that I eat and how much, I could have problems that day, it could take 2-3 days.

Funkytown

OK just so long as I know which tinfoil hat style to pack.

Carbohydrate Chemistry for $200 Alex:

Sugars are taken up by transporters in the intestines. They bring sugars from your digestive tract into the blood stream where they can be stored in cells to be called on for energy demands placed against the body. Water is used to assist the electrolytic balance of these transporters.

OK, glucose / fructose are mono-saccarides. They have 1 molecule of sugar in the structures. Lactose is a di-saccaride, meaning 2 sugars are linked together. The transporter has a specific shape, size and ionic charge to it meaning lactose is tougher to deliver than the mono-saccaride sugar. More water is drawn in to assist, meaning that lots of water PLUS an insult to the transporter, therefore high motility of waste (and inflammation due to an insult to the tissue) is starting to brew. Hence, the typical symptoms of "intolerance" flare up.

Everyone has different expression levels and, likely, genetic mutations of glucose (and other) transporters, meaning some of us are more "tolerant" than others. Menaing, some of us can handle more lactose than others.

Drug transporters and side effect profiles follow the same logic, except many of these are in the liver and kidneys and not the gut. Liver and kidneys are for clearance and the gut, uptake.

Edited by pitt83 2011-01-12 11:18 AM

Can I take you with me to my A&P classes?

"Commander. I'm sexually aroused."

I just love it when you talk nerdy!!!!!  and Bio nerdy to boot!!!! 

Don't get me started on skin and nasal routes of delivery. That's boudoir talk there!