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2011-05-26 6:54 AM
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trix - 2011-05-25 11:26 PM

MX n TRI n Az - 2011-05-25 9:09 PM knowing what i know about aero positions, i think the pictures of Mr. Macca in Triathlete magazine last two issues look to be about the best of a tri rider ???, yes, no ???

 

this one you mean?

 

I think Rapp looks better (although I think he looked even more aero on his Felt and Transition as opposed to his Shiv), although Macca does look slick there.

 

On a serious note, it does look like a lot of pretty good positions on here.



2011-05-26 7:12 AM
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You guys have much better photographers at your races.  Our always take the shot head-on, which makes every shot look like a head, two arms, and a wheel.

Here's the position close to what I ride.  I've lowered the seat since this was taken, but also lowered the bars to maintain the drop.  I would like to get my elbows closer together, but the bars won't allow it.  I think I've squeezed everything I can out of this bike...



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2011-05-26 9:09 AM
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gsmacleod - 2011-05-26 6:46 AM
crazyquick23 - 2011-05-25 11:06 PMMore power to you if you ride a pro bike that has a super short head tube with no spacers in that position comfortably and safely over a course of 20 plus miles. I doubt most people can.
Most athletes could if they were willing to spend a little time adjusting to the position. The biggest obstacle is neck discomfort which is why you'll see very few athletes with really good head position.
Your cervelo likely cannot get that steep. Edit: I'm assuming you're not riding a p4 or equivalent.
I have no idea what you are trying to say here but all Cervelo tribikes can be set up very similarly - the P1/P2 have a slightly higher head tube but it is still possible to get a position very similar to Dave Z's on a P1/P2.Shane
You made my point. Very similarly is not the same as exactly. That extra height makes a difference in both comfort and aero. Neck discomfort is a huge obstacle. If you look at the vertebrae or the muscles in our necks we aren't designed to hold that position.
2011-05-26 9:17 AM
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crazyquick23 - 2011-05-26 11:09 AM

You made my point. Very similarly is not the same as exactly. That extra height makes a difference in both comfort and aero. Neck discomfort is a huge obstacle. If you look at the vertebrae or the muscles in our necks we aren't designed to hold that position.


In that case, let me state it this way - with the right stem, I could put Dave Z in the exact same position on a P1 or P2 as he is riding on the P4.

As to neck discomfort, that is an issue and an athlete needs to decide how much they are willing to deal with during an event. Time in the saddle will help an athlete get used to it but if one wants to be in the most aerodynamic position, there will be some discomfort that comes with that position.

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2011-05-26 9:27 AM
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2011-05-26 9:38 AM
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SeasonsChange - 2011-05-26 10:27 AM

 

how much did your position change from when you went in to when you came out?

2011-05-26 9:47 AM
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just a few little changes, like extension tilt, reach, and slightly tweaked saddle height.  
2011-05-26 10:01 AM
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trix - 2011-05-25 11:26 PM

MX n TRI n Az - 2011-05-25 9:09 PM knowing what i know about aero positions, i think the pictures of Mr. Macca in Triathlete magazine last two issues look to be about the best of a tri rider ???, yes, no ???

 

this one you mean?

It doesn't get much prettier than that, at least not at IM distance.

2011-05-26 10:04 AM
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SeasonsChange - 2011-05-26 11:47 AM

just a few little changes, like extension tilt, reach, and slightly tweaked saddle height.  


My new position looks pretty similar to that; not wind tunnel tested but Chunged

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2011-05-26 10:15 AM
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Here's my coach from Duathlon Nationals: Former Cat1 cyclist, he finished around 21st overall.

2011-05-26 1:51 PM
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This should be in a textbook for aero positions:

Kristin Armstrong at LSWT

Kristin Armstron in SD LSWT

2011-05-26 1:54 PM
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Beerman - 2011-05-26 2:51 PM

This should be in a textbook for aero positions:

Kristin Armstrong at LSWT

Kristin Armstron in SD LSWT

you speak the truth

2011-05-26 1:57 PM
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In addition to low and aggressive positioning it looks like all those photos have something else in common. Is body hair removal required when riding that low?
2011-05-26 2:45 PM
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He's got nothing on Bjorn.  (stole this from Tom D's old site): http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/features/superswede.shtml

2011-05-26 3:12 PM
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There are some sweet position pics posted here for sure.  I should have a new one from a race I just did shortly.

Bjorn's old positon I never really liked. I like Bjorn, he seems like a very nice and smart guy. It just always seemed there was some level of stubborn denial that he actually needed to run well when he was done riding that thing.

Macca - B+, not a big fan of down angled forearms.

Armstrong - A, she does very well with that tight acute hip angle. Not sure many others would.

SeasonsChange - I think we have a winner!

2011-05-26 3:49 PM
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I gotta say, I feel pretty dialed in on my rig.  I probably could get lower if I put my aerobar extensions below my persuit bars, but I that might make me feel squished in the chest.

2011-05-26 6:07 PM
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tkd.teacher - 2011-05-26 8:15 AM

Here's my coach from Duathlon Nationals: Former Cat1 cyclist, he finished around 21st overall.

Look! It's a French Man....

Francois is a stud....5th fastest bike split from the race pictured.



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2011-05-26 6:15 PM
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That position looks great, but he looks like yet another guy who found out too late he got the wrong size Easton attacks. Those pads are waayyyy up the arms.  Textbook position though.
2011-05-26 6:37 PM
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Dave Luscan - 2011-05-26 3:12 PM

There are some sweet position pics posted here for sure.  I should have a new one from a race I just did shortly.

Bjorn's old positon I never really liked. I like Bjorn, he seems like a very nice and smart guy. It just always seemed there was some level of stubborn denial that he actually needed to run well when he was done riding that thing.

Macca - B+, not a big fan of down angled forearms.

Armstrong - A, she does very well with that tight acute hip angle. Not sure many others would.

SeasonsChange - I think we have a winner!

 

How do you correct Armstrong's hip angle?

2011-05-26 6:40 PM
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Well, you don't correct Kristin's of course, but you can correct a tight acute hip angle with shorter cranks and maybe non-circular chainrings.   I would generally not do anything until someone says they notice an issue coming over the top or some degree of hip flexor trouble.  Most never get low enough for it to matter.
2011-05-26 6:51 PM
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Dave Luscan - 2011-05-26 4:15 PM That position looks great, but he looks like yet another guy who found out too late he got the wrong size Easton attacks. Those pads are waayyyy up the arms.  Textbook position though.

Claims he likes it that way, actually.

John

2011-05-26 7:10 PM
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tkd.teacher - 2011-05-26 6:51 PM

Dave Luscan - 2011-05-26 4:15 PM That position looks great, but he looks like yet another guy who found out too late he got the wrong size Easton attacks. Those pads are waayyyy up the arms.  Textbook position though.

Claims he likes it that way, actually.

John

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