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2012-04-11 9:24 AM |
Extreme Veteran 640 | Subject: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? Say you get through your first full season of triathlons and it's pretty apparent you will be with the sport for a while. You currently have a fantastic aluminum tri bike (2011 Cervelo P1) and you're good to go as far as other gear (clothes, Garmins, shoes, etc). If you were able to buy a single large-ish upgrade what would you go with?
This is not a this year purchase, I'm just curious. |
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2012-04-11 9:29 AM in reply to: #4143074 |
Champion 8766 Evergreen, Colorado | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? Quarq. That being said, the Quarq is in the bottom bracket. If you switch tri bikes a year down the road and the new bike doesn't have the same type of bottom bracket you'll end up having to jump through some hoops to make your quarq work. I knew I wanted a quarq when I was buying my new bike, and they were backlogged, but I couldn't buy the quarq until I knew what kind of bike I was getting. My quarq barely made it in time for IMFL! So, if you were even CONTEMPLATING a new bike, I would wait to get the quarq and get the quarq right after you get your new bike. |
2012-04-11 9:31 AM in reply to: #4143074 |
Master 1799 Houston | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? Bike.... if you were my size and how cheaply you will be selling me said bike for ~shipping costs. Seriously though I am not an expert but this is what I understand
So in your situation, I would probably go Power Meter, Bike, Wheels. But I'd throw in some smaller items, like Aero helmet if you don't have one yet.
ETA:Sarc font Edited by NewClydesdale 2012-04-11 9:31 AM |
2012-04-11 9:37 AM in reply to: #4143106 |
Extreme Veteran 640 | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? NewClydesdale - 2012-04-11 9:31 AM But I'd throw in some smaller items, like Aero helmet if you don't have one yet.
I don't have an aero helmet yet. I know that there are studies that show that it is one of the best bangs for the buck in terms of improvement. However, at my slower speeds (17mph over my most recent 50 mile ride), I'm not fully convinced the aero benefits would outweigh the potential overheating I would experience due to less venting. Maybe once I'm faster... |
2012-04-11 9:43 AM in reply to: #4143131 |
Master 1799 Houston | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? michael_runs - 2012-04-11 9:37 AM NewClydesdale - 2012-04-11 9:31 AM But I'd throw in some smaller items, like Aero helmet if you don't have one yet.
I don't have an aero helmet yet. I know that there are studies that show that it is one of the best bangs for the buck in terms of improvement. However, at my slower speeds (17mph over my most recent 50 mile ride), I'm not fully convinced the aero benefits would outweigh the potential overheating I would experience due to less venting. Maybe once I'm faster... I think the aero benefits are there at the slower speed. I just think that staying in the right aero position for the duration is crucial to getting those benefits. I haven't used an aero helmet yet either so I can't speak to the heat. |
2012-04-11 9:56 AM in reply to: #4143131 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? michael_runs - 2012-04-11 11:37 AM NewClydesdale - 2012-04-11 9:31 AM But I'd throw in some smaller items, like Aero helmet if you don't have one yet.
I don't have an aero helmet yet. I know that there are studies that show that it is one of the best bangs for the buck in terms of improvement. However, at my slower speeds (17mph over my most recent 50 mile ride), I'm not fully convinced the aero benefits would outweigh the potential overheating I would experience due to less venting. Maybe once I'm faster... I have never once felt hot in my aero helmet (Rudy Project Wingspan). It has multiple ventilation options depending on the conditions. |
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2012-04-11 10:02 AM in reply to: #4143074 |
Elite 3498 Laguna Beach | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? Hmm. I absolutely agree with the idea of smaller items. It's amazing how much money people spend on race wheels and aero frames only to wear flapping paper numbers behind them on race belts and race clothing with wrinkles. Start with the easy stuff. For most of us it's losing weight, wearing better tuned race race apparel and keeping our bike clean. Power meter? Very good idea- but you have to commit to using it, learning the relevance of the data and employing it optimally. It's not one and done. It's a commitment to use the data to be better. chances are that will net you the greatest benefits if you follow through. You don't just buy one and go faster though, you gotta own it. Race wheels? Yup. You'll go faster, but more importantly for most people, you'll look cooler. This wouldn't be complete without mentioning bike fit and position, which can net you substantial benefits if your fit is less than optimal, and most peoples' is. |
2012-04-11 10:03 AM in reply to: #4143074 |
Regular 82 | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? Quarq. Wheels will give you a boost in speed but its a limited increase. Getting a powermeter will allow you to completely transform your training and if you use it correctly you will absolutely become a stronger cyclist. It can even make you a better runner when it allows you to pace yourself correctly on the bike during a race to be able to come off and run strong.
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2012-04-11 12:00 PM in reply to: #4143074 |
Veteran 307 Liberty Lake, WA | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? One vote for powertap. No need for quarq...especially if you are buying the powertap over buying race wheels. |
2012-04-11 12:09 PM in reply to: #4143074 |
Extreme Veteran 574 Eden Prairie, MN, Minnesota | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? First off. I don't see there being any reason to sell a perfectly good P1. Others have mentioned aero helmets, but also consider just an aero front wheel and a cover for your rear wheel. You'll get a similar aero benefit at 10% the cost.
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2012-04-11 12:22 PM in reply to: #4143593 |
Elite 3498 Laguna Beach | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? "First off. I don't see there being any reason to sell a perfectly good P1." I wondered about this also. The P1 is a grossly under rated bike. It's likely that most of what you would buy to replace it may not be as fast, unless it's another similarly configured bike. Yeah, the carbon will ride better and be more durable- but is it worth the cost of the upgrade? |
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2012-04-11 1:16 PM in reply to: #4143593 |
Master 2372 | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? Farlig - 2012-04-11 12:09 PM First off. I don't see there being any reason to sell a perfectly good P1. Others have mentioned aero helmets, but also consider just an aero front wheel and a cover for your rear wheel. You'll get a similar aero benefit at 10% the cost. Indeed - powertap on the back with a wheelcover. Used aero front (or whatever you want to spend). Good tires (Vittoria Evo Corsa or similar). Latex tubes. Aero helmet. A good tri suit. Anything left over should go to getting all that gear to a kick race somewhere. |
2012-04-11 2:57 PM in reply to: #4143214 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? Tom Demerly. - 2012-04-11 10:02 AM Hmm. I absolutely agree with the idea of smaller items. It's amazing how much money people spend on race wheels and aero frames only to wear flapping paper numbers behind them on race belts and race clothing with wrinkles. Start with the easy stuff. For most of us it's losing weight, wearing better tuned race race apparel and keeping our bike clean. Power meter? Very good idea- but you have to commit to using it, learning the relevance of the data and employing it optimally. It's not one and done. It's a commitment to use the data to be better. chances are that will net you the greatest benefits if you follow through. You don't just buy one and go faster though, you gotta own it. Race wheels? Yup. You'll go faster, but more importantly for most people, you'll look cooler. This wouldn't be complete without mentioning bike fit and position, which can net you substantial benefits if your fit is less than optimal, and most peoples' is. That's enough for me. My vote is for wheels. |
2012-04-11 3:10 PM in reply to: #4143756 |
Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? sand101 - 2012-04-11 8:16 AM Farlig - 2012-04-11 12:09 PM First off. I don't see there being any reason to sell a perfectly good P1. Others have mentioned aero helmets, but also consider just an aero front wheel and a cover for your rear wheel. You'll get a similar aero benefit at 10% the cost. Indeed - powertap on the back with a wheelcover. Used aero front (or whatever you want to spend). Good tires (Vittoria Evo Corsa or similar). Latex tubes. Aero helmet. A good tri suit. Anything left over should go to getting all that gear to a kick race somewhere. x2 |
2012-04-11 3:40 PM in reply to: #4143756 |
Regular 988 Westfield, IN | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? sand101 - 2012-04-11 2:16 PM Farlig - 2012-04-11 12:09 PM First off. I don't see there being any reason to sell a perfectly good P1. Others have mentioned aero helmets, but also consider just an aero front wheel and a cover for your rear wheel. You'll get a similar aero benefit at 10% the cost. Indeed - powertap on the back with a wheelcover. Used aero front (or whatever you want to spend). Good tires (Vittoria Evo Corsa or similar). Latex tubes. Aero helmet. A good tri suit. Anything left over should go to getting all that gear to a kick race somewhere. Best Advice by far. Quarq will cost more than all of those combined. |
2012-04-11 4:13 PM in reply to: #4143074 |
Member 38 | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? I have a P1 and was also wondering about the next best upgrade (everything I have is stock). I was thinking wheels but now I might just go for an aero helmet. Anyone have some nice pics of your P1 setup? |
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2012-04-11 8:21 PM in reply to: #4144247 |
Veteran 523 East Greenbush | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? can2 - 2012-04-11 5:13 PM I have a P1 and was also wondering about the next best upgrade (everything I have is stock). I was thinking wheels but now I might just go for an aero helmet. Anyone have some nice pics of your P1 setup? I have seen a post on here of a P1 with a sram s80 wheel set. Absolutely gorgeous with the red/white/grey color scheme. Not only that is SRAM now owns Zipp so they the S80s are of the same shape as an older model zipp wheel. They do weigh a little more but with the color scheme and the shape of the wheels, you get the areo benefits as well as the coolness factor!!! Ha! Googled it... here it is http://www.flickr.com/photos/11966268@N06/5520720705/ Its not my P1 but once I save enough $$$ I think I may pull the trigger on the Wheel set. Unless Tom can get me one heck of a deal fom Tri sports right now hehehehehe Just kiddin.... My one big purchase after the buying my P1 was a Computrainer. I have owned it for about a year now but just recently started using it for training 6 weeks ago. Why oh why did I wait so long. Just like a power meter, when you make a purchase like that you have to commit to using it to get better. I use mine in conjunction with Trainer Road. I followed their BAse 1 plan that started with a 8 min FTP test. After the test my FTP was about 154... I was so disappointed and humbled in that. Thought for sure my FTP was around 200 watts. Tested for the start of Base 2 and tested at 197 watts. Still not great but its a HUGE improvement. My point about the CT is as mentioned earlier, you can spend all the $$$ in the world on equipment and upgrades but there is nothing that will make you faster other than good ole fashion hard work. Sure you can shave a few seconds here and there with Aero wheels and an Aero helmet. However if you work hard and train you more than likely could beat the pants off anyone who buys all the fancy equipment but doesn't train properly. |
2012-04-11 10:24 PM in reply to: #4143074 |
Veteran 550 austin, Texas | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? Id do a power meter. It'll let you keep getting better over time. Although I shouldn't talk, I am trying to sell my 2007 p2sl for a new p2 that I bought a few months ago... |
2012-04-12 12:37 AM in reply to: #4144065 |
Member 448 Clemson, SC | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? tri808 - 2012-04-11 4:10 PM sand101 - 2012-04-11 8:16 AM Farlig - 2012-04-11 12:09 PM First off. I don't see there being any reason to sell a perfectly good P1. Others have mentioned aero helmets, but also consider just an aero front wheel and a cover for your rear wheel. You'll get a similar aero benefit at 10% the cost. Indeed - powertap on the back with a wheelcover. Used aero front (or whatever you want to spend). Good tires (Vittoria Evo Corsa or similar). Latex tubes. Aero helmet. A good tri suit. Anything left over should go to getting all that gear to a kick race somewhere. x2 x3 And to add, consider buying a used powertap wheel if you are unsure. That way if you don't like it, you can sell it for what you bought it for. As I've learned, powertaps hold their value very very well and are always in demand. |
2012-04-12 9:44 AM in reply to: #4144674 |
Extreme Veteran 640 | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? orphious - 2012-04-11 8:21 PM I have seen a post on here of a P1 with a sram s80 wheel set. Absolutely gorgeous with the red/white/grey color scheme. Not only that is SRAM now owns Zipp so they the S80s are of the same shape as an older model zipp wheel. They do weigh a little more but with the color scheme and the shape of the wheels, you get the areo benefits as well as the coolness factor!!! Ha! Googled it... here it is http://www.flickr.com/photos/11966268@N06/5520720705/ That's one hot looking bike, I an't gonna lie... |
2012-04-12 10:07 AM in reply to: #4143074 |
Member 38 | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)?
Agreed. |
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2012-04-12 11:32 AM in reply to: #4143074 |
Master 2094 | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? I "upgraded" my P1 to a P2c (carbon) but was smart enough to keep the P!. I had some of my faster bike splits on the P1. I don't think either bike is any faster than the other. As far as order, I would get the powermeter first, race wheels next (because they look cool) followed by the new bike (only because I wanted another bike). Areo helmet before the other 3 |
2012-04-12 12:05 PM in reply to: #4146011 |
Extreme Veteran 640 | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? pschriver - 2012-04-12 11:32 AM I "upgraded" my P1 to a P2c (carbon) but was smart enough to keep the P!. I had some of my faster bike splits on the P1. I don't think either bike is any faster than the other. Pretty amazing how great of a bike that little P1 is, huh? Mine is a 2011 model. Bought it brand spankin' new in November for $1300. I was pretty pleased with that purchase. |
2012-04-12 12:45 PM in reply to: #4143074 |
Expert 1342 Apex, NC | Subject: RE: new purchase priority? (power meter, race wheels, bike upgrade)? michael_runs - 2012-04-11 10:24 AM Swim lessons.Say you get through your first full season of triathlons and it's pretty apparent you will be with the sport for a while. You currently have a fantastic aluminum tri bike (2011 Cervelo P1) and you're good to go as far as other gear (clothes, Garmins, shoes, etc). If you were able to buy a single large-ish upgrade what would you go with?
This is not a this year purchase, I'm just curious. |
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