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2012-09-04 5:49 AM

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Subject: Total Distance or Total Time as a Gauge for Overall Effort?

If you have to pick, would you use total distance per exercise, or total time per exercise as a gauge for overall weekly effort?  Obviously they are correlated through pace, but pace changes especially as one exercises to near exhaustion every cycle in IM and HIM training.  When I trained for Sprints, I was more inclined to watch distances.  Now I don't know...I feel like duration may be more important.

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2012-09-04 5:53 AM
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It all depends... on my long rides or runs, it's distance. On all speed work, it's time
2012-09-04 6:12 AM
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Subject: RE: Total Distance or Total Time as a Gauge for Overall Effort?
I used to be distance oriented in everything, but training for IM with a coach changed my habits to time based. I found for IM and HIM that distance didn't matter quite so much as time, as long as my effort was appropriate. Some weeks a 5 or 6 hour ride varied considerably in distance due to conditions.

Now that I'm doing only sprints and olys I am a bit more concerned about distance, mostly because the distances aren't that long so the amount of time associated isn't quite so variable.

Also, for speed work and the like, time matters more than distance.
2012-09-04 12:47 PM
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Subject: RE: Total Distance or Total Time as a Gauge for Overall Effort?
Time. Our bodies only know intensity and time, not distance. For example, a one hour zone 3 ride will have a similar training effect whether it's on the trainer (0 miles) or outside on the road. Tracking time and intensity enables better management of total training load.
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Neither.  Look around for information about TSS or TRIMP (they are two different -- in some ways complementary -- ways of measuring training load).
2012-09-04 12:47 PM
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Experior - 2012-09-04 8:57 AM

Neither.  Look around for information about TSS or TRIMP (they are two different -- in some ways complementary -- ways of measuring training load).


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This is worth a read about managing training stress:

http://provincialtriathloncentre.blogspot.ca/2009/04/micro-structur...

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2012-09-04 7:05 AM
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I'm still sprint/oly level but i measure everything in distance except biking on the trainer-i do intervals of time for that.

if/when i get to the speed session of my training i feel I'm going to measure both distance and time on interval sessions, like 6x800 repeats on a set interval...
2012-09-04 2:53 PM
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Subject: RE: Total Distance or Total Time as a Gauge for Overall Effort?

gsmacleod - 2012-09-04 12:47 PM
Experior - 2012-09-04 8:57 AM Neither.  Look around for information about TSS or TRIMP (they are two different -- in some ways complementary -- ways of measuring training load).
X2 This is worth a read about managing training stress: http://provincialtriathloncentre.blogspot.ca/2009/04/micro-structur... Shane

Same here. Between time & distance, I use time, but not only time. The stress level matters.

2012-09-04 3:19 PM
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Subject: RE: Total Distance or Total Time as a Gauge for Overall Effort?
On race day you have to cover the distance, it doesn't matter if it is choppy, windy, hilly, whatever so I go by distance.  I can't go oh I had only scheduled 11:00:00 for my IM I will just call it quits even though I still have 5 miles left on the run.  The benefit is that if I go faster I get done sooner 8).  Although sooner for a 100 mile bike ride is relative.
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Baowolf - 2012-09-04 3:19 PM On race day you have to cover the distance, it doesn't matter if it is choppy, windy, hilly, whatever so I go by distance.  I can't go oh I had only scheduled 11:00:00 for my IM I will just call it quits even though I still have 5 miles left on the run.  The benefit is that if I go faster I get done sooner 8).  Although sooner for a 100 mile bike ride is relative.

 

^^Yep^^. I'm a distance guy too.

2012-09-04 3:48 PM
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I measure overall effort by training stress (time and intensity).  I agree that distance becomes a factor since that's how races are measured, but you should have a good idea about what type of time and intensity it should take you to cover a given race distance.

For example, in training for a 36 mile bike race I did a couple of weeks ago, I was doing long rides in the 5+ hour range, some over 100 miles.  Why...because I knew the 36 mile race was going to take me 3.5 hours due to it's difficutly.  I knew I had to simulate the time and intensity of the race in my training...I couldn't just simulate the distance because there isn't terrain that difficult where I was training.



2012-09-04 7:21 PM
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I agree that distance is important in relation to the distance of the race you are training for (if your longest ride in preparation for IM is 40 miles, you are probably in trouble), but going back to OP's question, I'd still say that it is a poor "gauge for overall weekly effort".
2012-09-04 8:04 PM
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When I was just running I always went by miles.  Now I go by time except in the pool. Why? Because that is what my coach puts in my plan.  The time pretty much corresponds to a training pace/distance but it is always by time.  For my IM the rides are 5.5 hrs, runs 3.5 hrs, etc.

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2012-09-04 8:20 PM
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I use whatever is most reproducible and convenient.

 

Yes, TSS scores and all those fancy power measures are awesome, but if you don't have a powermeter, or a swim/running, forget it.

 

Distance is good on similar courses, but fails for hugely variably course elevation/conditions. Time is good to a point, but you can end up with a lot of variability depending on your effort and level of fatigue.

 

I base mine on my most commonly use routes and available equipment. Which means that most of the time for me it's distance since most routes are similar, but on hillfest days (mountain terrain climbs) I'll usually switch to time. 

2012-09-04 9:10 PM
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Between flat century rides by me (~1,700 ft) and ones up in Wisconsin that can have 8,000-8,500 ft with more technical descents I can't let it out on. There can be 45-60 minutes difference in a "century" ride. All centuries are long, but that's still a significant difference in the amount of time.

To deal with that, I'll consider the distance, the terrain and the conditions of the day to get some idea of how long it would take, and then adjust the route accordingly (as best possible) to come in closer to the time I want. Sometimes I do have to just get through the distance if that option isn't available, but if it is, I do. And that means I might go a little farther if I'm going noticeably faster than I thought too.

Races might be in distance, but there is no way the Arizona and former St George courses would be considered "similar". You know darn well you're going to be out there longer for St George and should be training for that.

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