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2006-06-20 12:51 PM

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2006-06-20 1:22 PM
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Subject: RE: U.S. Turns On Missile Defense Shield
NPR reported yesterday morning that intelligence "experts" don't believe that North Korea has the technology to put a warhead in the cone of a missile yet.  NPR also reported that the US is contemplating shooting down the missile if North Korea launches it.
2006-06-20 1:24 PM
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Drewwhite - 2006-06-20 2:22 PM  NPR also reported that the US is contemplating shooting down the missile if North Korea launches it.

Now that would be interesting. But think about what would happen if we miss.



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2006-06-20 1:26 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-06-20 12:24 PM

Drewwhite - 2006-06-20 2:22 PM NPR also reported that the US is contemplating shooting down the missile if North Korea launches it.

Now that would be interesting. But think about what would happen if we miss.

I'm sure that we would find out whether or not North Korea really does have nuclear weapons, and if they have been negotiating with Iran.

Edit: reminds me of the End of the World flash floating around on the internet 



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2006-06-20 1:28 PM
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If I was an engineer on this program I'd be praying that Kim launches.

The system gets tested for free.
Who cares if it annoys the N. Koreans. That's actually a bonus.
If it works, countries without the resources to counter it are dissuaded from continuing or even starting their own longe range missile projects.

Where's the downside? Assuming of course it doesn't actually physically harm anyone.

2006-06-20 1:32 PM
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marmadaddy - 2006-06-20 2:28 PM

 

Where's the downside?

I guess the downside is it doesn't work, and then we look like jackasses. Vulnerable jackasses.



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2006-06-20 1:32 PM
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marmadaddy - 2006-06-20 12:28 PM


Who cares if it annoys the N. Koreans.

I don't think that it will annoy the N Koreans, just Kim Jong Il 

marmadaddy - 2006-06-20 12:28 PM
If it works, countries without the resources to counter it are dissuaded from continuing or even starting their own longe range missile projects.

Where's the downside? Assuming of course it doesn't actually physically harm anyone.

If it doesn't work, that would be bad!  Although I don't imagine that it wouldn't work.  It could potentially serve as a demonstration of our technology without the loss of lives.  That might be a great deterrent 

2006-06-20 1:43 PM
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If it doesn't work, it isn't a big deal. The expectations for this system are pretty low. At the very least there's some good field data to be had.

N. Korea has more to lose if the missile is shot down than have to lose if we miss.

And from a geopolitical point of view, Kim Jong Il is North Korea.

2006-06-20 1:51 PM
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2006-06-20 1:56 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-06-20 12:32 PM
marmadaddy - 2006-06-20 2:28 PM

 

Where's the downside?

I guess the downside is it doesn't work, and then we look like jackasses. Vulnerable jackasses.

Better to know that now, than when there's an actual warhead on the end of a missile that we want to intercept. 

2006-06-20 1:59 PM
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coredump - 2006-06-20 2:56 PM

Better to know that now, than when there's an actual warhead on the end of a missile that we want to intercept. 

That's definitely true, but a miss in a game situation would look very, very bad to the rest of the world. And the POTUS wouldn't like it very much, either. He doesn't need any more bad press. But a hit would make him look very, very good.

You can bet Karl Rove is pondering this right now...



2006-06-20 2:00 PM
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marmadaddy - 2006-06-20 12:43 PM

And from a geopolitical point of view, Kim Jong Il is North Korea.

This is so disturbingly true.  Hijack: has anyone seen Team America: World Police?  Kim Jong Il practically steals the show in that movie  

2006-06-20 2:01 PM
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2006-06-20 2:05 PM
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Drewwhite - 2006-06-20 3:00 PM
marmadaddy - 2006-06-20 12:43 PM

And from a geopolitical point of view, Kim Jong Il is North Korea.

This is so disturbingly true.  Hijack: has anyone seen Team America: World Police?  Kim Jong Il practically steals the show in that movie  

Absolutely.

 Ronery...I'm so ronery...

2006-06-20 2:06 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-06-20 2:59 PM
coredump - 2006-06-20 2:56 PM

Better to know that now, than when there's an actual warhead on the end of a missile that we want to intercept.

That's definitely true, but a miss in a game situation would look very, very bad to the rest of the world. And the POTUS wouldn't like it very much, either. He doesn't need any more bad press. But a hit would make him look very, very good.

You can bet Karl Rove is pondering this right now...

If there is one thing that Karl Rove is better at than anyone else on this planet, it is managing expectations so that just about any outcome is perceived as a good performance.

What he's pondering is who will be leaking "worries within the administration about the capabilities of the Missile Defense System" to which journalists.

2006-06-20 2:08 PM
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2006-06-20 2:16 PM
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I don't think there's much of an "If" when it comes to whether or not the system would fail. Despite the billions spent to date, the only successful tests of the systems had a damn GPS transmitter in the target vehicle.
2006-06-20 2:17 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-06-20 2:32 PM
marmadaddy - 2006-06-20 2:28 PM

Where's the downside?

I guess the downside is it doesn't work, and then we look like jackasses. Vulnerable jackasses.

After several years of solid foreign relations policy and execution under the booshman, I'm struggling to figure out which countries and factions don't already have us pegged as jackasses.  Vulnerable might be a new twist on our own soil, but certainly not abroad.

2006-06-20 2:19 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-06-20 12:59 PM
coredump - 2006-06-20 2:56 PM

Better to know that now, than when there's an actual warhead on the end of a missile that we want to intercept. 

That's definitely true, but a miss in a game situation would look very, very bad to the rest of the world. And the POTUS wouldn't like it very much, either. He doesn't need any more bad press. But a hit would make him look very, very good.

You can bet Karl Rove is pondering this right now...

This whole thing is probably Karl Rove's brain child from beginning to end.....i.e. wag the dog....

2006-06-20 2:19 PM
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2006-06-20 2:23 PM
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tmwelshy - 2006-06-20 3:19 PM

This whole thing is probably Karl Rove's brain child from beginning to end.....i.e. wag the dog....

Hmmm...interesting...

2006-06-20 3:13 PM
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they have tested the thing 8 times already and so far it has a 50/50% success rate...
Nice... someone better blow on the dice if Kim launches one and hope we get the good 50% chance
2006-06-20 3:18 PM
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Just to play Devil's Advocate, if we do happen to shoot it down (% says we can't), and it's still in N. Korean territory, haven't WE just performed an Act of War against a Sovereign Nation?

If it's in International waters, it's fair game.  But if it's not...

2006-06-20 3:28 PM
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Marvarnett - 2006-06-20 4:18 PM

haven't WE just performed an Act of War against a Sovereign Nation?

The administration finds this relevant how?

It's a long range missile anyway. It would supposedly be into international airspace pretty quickly.

If it's in international waters, that would save the trouble of using the defense system. 

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