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2012-11-13 12:25 PM

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Subject: Average times are slower and it's time to "restore speed"

Thoughts on this, BT?

I got this email from Athlinks.com --

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Tricia -

The past four years have seen an alarming decline in U.S. racing performances in distances across the board. 5K times are off by +1:17, that's a 4% decline! Average Ironman times have increased by +21:54, a nearly 3% decline. I ask you - How could we let this happen to this, the Swiftest of Nations?

 

Average Times for Leading
Race Distances from 2009-2012

 

Distance20092012Change% Change
5K Run30:3031:47+1:17+4.04%
10K Run1:01:011:02:28+1:27+2.34%
Half Mara3:30:013:30:20+0:18+0.15%
Marathon*4:33:184:33:13-0:04-0.03%
Olympic Tri2:52:532:55:55+3:02+1.73%
Half Iron5:59:436:05:49+6:06+1.73%
Ironman12:49:4413:11:39+21:54+2.77%
* Marathon times were the only notable improvement.
Sample Sizes('09/'12): 5K (2,705,308/3,431,895); 10K (834,692/954,978); Half Mar (124,606/98,632); Marathon (474,214/405,624); Oly Tri (78,551/86,849); Half Iron (53,285/61,639); Ironman (17,566/18,429)

I urge you to join us along with your fellow American road racers, trail runners, triathletes, cyclists, and swimmers in making a new commitment to restoring the speed to your own community.

We have already begun work on tools that will help to monitor and report progress across all events, states, genders, and age groups. We will begin rolling out the changes between now and the first of the year. But the first step begins with you and your commitment to training and racing. The second step is encouraging those around you to do the same!

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My guess is that more people are racing and a lot of these people are beginners .. and (generally) newer athletes = slower athletes.

Personally, I don't care that average times are getting slower - that just means I place higher Tongue out

What say you?



2012-11-13 12:27 PM
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Subject: RE: Average times are slower and it's time to "restore speed"

The answer is obvious - stricter doping controls have increased the average finishing times at your local 5k.

 

 

 

 

2012-11-13 12:31 PM
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It's obviously caused by anthropogenic global warming.
2012-11-13 12:31 PM
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Subject: RE: Average times are slower and it's time to "restore speed"
I'm very much put off by this. (And I had the wrong numbers in my email for the half marathon -- mine was a duplicate of 10k times.) We should be celebrating increased participation, not belittling people for their times. Sheesh!
2012-11-13 12:32 PM
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who cares?

 

average times of millions of racers? I don't see what me going out and doing speedwork is going to accomplish?

I find this very bizarre

2012-11-13 12:32 PM
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Subject: RE: Average times are slower and it's time to "restore speed"

Man, the HM sure does seem to attract the much slower runners, relatively.

 



2012-11-13 12:33 PM
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Miles around Midtown - 2012-11-13 1:31 PM I'm very much put off by this.

Read it again, this time with a sense of humor.

 

 

2012-11-13 12:36 PM
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Goosedog - 2012-11-13 1:32 PM

Man, the HM sure does seem to attract the much slower runners, relatively.

 

The ironmen have really gone downhill 

2012-11-13 12:37 PM
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Nipper - 2012-11-13 1:36 PM

The ironmen have really gone downhill 

Those average times still seem low, relatively.

 

 

2012-11-13 12:37 PM
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I am not a statistician, but I think a layman can figure out that this is a function of increased participation, with a vast group of larger, slower, people fially getting out there. The more experienced people may be, and if this site is indicative, probably are, getting faster. But like a pyramid scheme, there are many more of the slower of us. The course record for the NYC marathon may have dropped, but I guarantee the average finish time has gone up. 

In fact, my 5k time is so slow, that the change between 2009 and 2012 can probably be single-handedly attributed to my entry into racing in 2011. I can blow out a curve with my average speed alone. 

2012-11-13 12:56 PM
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I better get training since I helped drop the National average.  I feel so ashamed.  Sorry, everyone.



2012-11-13 1:08 PM
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Goosedog - 2012-11-13 1:32 PM

Man, the HM sure does seem to attract the much slower runners, relatively. 

That figure can't be right. I mean, the HM does have a lot of slow people, as it's a goal distance without the commitment or fitness needs of a marathon. Heck, I'm doing my fourth one this year, and that time in in my neighborhood. 

BUT I know all about a 3:30 HM. There are fewer than 5% of us left on the course after 3:10-3:15. Maybe 2% after 3:30. No WAY that 3:30 is a HM average. 

Has to be a typo, or a clue to the article being sarcasm/satire/joke, or something, but it's subtle, so I am not sure. 

2012-11-13 1:11 PM
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Goosedog - 2012-11-13 12:32 PM

Man, the HM sure does seem to attract the much slower runners, relatively.

 

 

I was thinking the same thing. How can the average time be 3:30 and the average Marathon be 4:30? All the other times seem to make sense (10K twice as much as 5K, IM twice as much as HIM) but the HM and Marathon are way off. I know the HM is growing in popularity, but you would think even with a huge number of new runners it would still be closer to half the marathon time.

 

I know that's not why Trishie posted this, but I thought it was interesting. As far as trying to "speed" people up, I have no idea why Athlinks posted that.

2012-11-13 1:12 PM
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Subject: RE: Average times are slower and it's time to "restore speed"

To make matters more interesting, the HM sample size actually went down, according to the email.

 

 

2012-11-13 1:21 PM
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Subject: RE: Average times are slower and it's time to "restore speed"
I did some quick google searches and came up with "average" finish times closer to 2:xx for the HM. Maybe they just have a typo and it should read 2:30 not 3:30. That makes more sense.
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Subject: RE: Average times are slower and it's time to "restore speed"
TriBoilermaker - 2012-11-13 2:11 PM
Goosedog - 2012-11-13 12:32 PM

Man, the HM sure does seem to attract the much slower runners, relatively.

 

 

I was thinking the same thing. How can the average time be 3:30 and the average Marathon be 4:30? All the other times seem to make sense (10K twice as much as 5K, IM twice as much as HIM) but the HM and Marathon are way off. I know the HM is growing in popularity, but you would think even with a huge number of new runners it would still be closer to half the marathon time.

 

The HM is long enough to break ya, especially when untrained, but short enough to attract lots of people to it.

There is also the possibility that they included "walker" times, perhaps?



2012-11-13 1:30 PM
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I think your next email from athlinks will be an offer for something to improve your speed at a low, low price for those who order before the new year
2012-11-13 1:40 PM
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Subject: RE: Average times are slower and it's time to "restore speed"

I observe average HM times to be about 2 hours as well.  Most of the rest don't seem too far off.

Over the past years, I think the dramatic increase in the ratio of female to male athletes has resulted in a shift of average times.



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2012-11-13 1:42 PM
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Whoa, this could get good.

 

2012-11-13 1:43 PM
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cgregg - 2012-11-13 2:22 PM [

There is also the possibility that they included "walker" times, perhaps?

At 16 min/mi average, someone is walking.

 

 

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cgregg - 2012-11-13 2:22 PM [

There is also the possibility that they included "walker" times, perhaps?

At 16 min/mi average, someone is walking.

 

 



2012-11-13 2:16 PM
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I agree that the 3:30 is a typo -- 2:30 sounds about right
2012-11-13 2:17 PM
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Yes walkers and females as Pops says. Lol
2012-11-13 2:27 PM
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As someone who deals with stats on a semi-regular basis, I'd love to see the error bars around these numbers....
2012-11-13 2:28 PM
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"alarming"?   Did they really use the term "alarming" to describe average run times???

That's funny

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