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 2013-07-08 11:01 AM in reply to: Aarondb4 |
Pro  9391     Omaha, NE |  Subject: RE: Snowden?Originally posted by Aarondb4
I hope they catch the traitors! lol, so true. I told my son that a long time ago about George Washington. He was writing something about how much of a hero he was, and I told him that he was actually a traitor. He was a British citizen who revolted against the crown and even lead battles against the British Army. He's probably one of the biggest traitors in British history. |
| 2013-07-08 11:10 AM in reply to: Aarondb4 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Snowden? Originally posted by Aarondb4
I hope they catch the traitors! Snowden doesn't belong anywhere on a list like that. He's an idiot. |
| 2013-07-08 11:21 AM in reply to: Left Brain |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: Snowden? Originally posted by Left Brain Snowden doesn't belong anywhere on a list like that. He's an idiot. What would you have preferred Snowden did? |
| 2013-07-08 11:36 AM in reply to: JoshR |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Snowden? Originally posted by JoshR Originally posted by Left Brain What would you have preferred Snowden did? Snowden doesn't belong anywhere on a list like that. He's an idiot. Perhaps put a note in the suggestion box in the break room to request his department stop violating the constitution. |
| 2013-07-08 11:59 AM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Snowden? Everyone with a clearance such as his has directions on how to bring up a complaint......you start there. I'm not saying that he wouldn't eventually get to the point he did, but that's where it starts. Secondly, how many years did he willingly participate? And then he got tired of it? That's just a bunch of bullchit. I wouldn't do it one time, not ONCE. Hero my arse. He's an idiot, traitor, and a coward. Edited by Left Brain 2013-07-08 12:15 PM |
| 2013-07-08 12:27 PM in reply to: JoshR |
Expert 1951 | Subject: RE: Snowden? Originally posted by JoshR Originally posted by Left Brain Snowden doesn't belong anywhere on a list like that. He's an idiot. Agreed What would you have preferred Snowden did? He himself was part of the intelligence community. He had access to classified information. If he felt something needed to be reported he could have first gone to the Inspector General. If they did nothing then at least he would have had something of a defense. He purposely stole national security data, went straight to the press. What he did was reckless and now he's trying to run away. I mean, what did he think would happen? |
| 2013-07-08 12:45 PM in reply to: KateTri1 |
Expert 3126 Boise, ID | Subject: RE: Snowden?
So Snowden finds out his section of the government is corrupt and is doing things it should not do, oh and they are willing to lie about it to Congress. And he is supposed to just run a complaint up the chain of command and think that something will be done about it? That is laughable at best. Heck yes they would have done something about it, they would have shut him up and ruined his life as they are trying to do now. He is not an idiot by any means. He gathered enough to scare them then told the public what their government was up to. He should have planned his exit strategy a bit better, that is the only not so smart move I see so far. Idiot and coward he is not. That would be fearing terrorists so much as to relinquish freedoms to a corrupt government and hoping they do the right thing. |
| 2013-07-08 12:51 PM in reply to: Aarondb4 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Snowden? Originally posted by Aarondb4
So Snowden finds out his section of the government is corrupt and is doing things it should not do, oh and they are willing to lie about it to Congress. And he is supposed to just run a complaint up the chain of command and think that something will be done about it? That is laughable at best. Heck yes they would have done something about it, they would have shut him up and ruined his life as they are trying to do now. He is not an idiot by any means. He gathered enough to scare them then told the public what their government was up to. He should have planned his exit strategy a bit better, that is the only not so smart move I see so far. Idiot and coward he is not. That would be fearing terrorists so much as to relinquish freedoms to a corrupt government and hoping they do the right thing. He didn't "find out" anything....he was a willing participant. It's REALLY expensive to run around like he's doing....ever wonder who's financing that? Looking at his background, I have a hard time believing he acted on any kind of moral principle.....that's just laughable. |
| 2013-07-08 1:43 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Expert 3126 Boise, ID | Subject: RE: Snowden? Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by Aarondb4
So Snowden finds out his section of the government is corrupt and is doing things it should not do, oh and they are willing to lie about it to Congress. And he is supposed to just run a complaint up the chain of command and think that something will be done about it? That is laughable at best. Heck yes they would have done something about it, they would have shut him up and ruined his life as they are trying to do now. He is not an idiot by any means. He gathered enough to scare them then told the public what their government was up to. He should have planned his exit strategy a bit better, that is the only not so smart move I see so far. Idiot and coward he is not. That would be fearing terrorists so much as to relinquish freedoms to a corrupt government and hoping they do the right thing. He didn't "find out" anything....he was a willing participant. It's REALLY expensive to run around like he's doing....ever wonder who's financing that? Looking at his background, I have a hard time believing he acted on any kind of moral principle.....that's just laughable. Well I don't have the magic "background button" that you have. |
| 2013-07-08 2:10 PM in reply to: Aarondb4 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: Snowden? Originally posted by Aarondb4 Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by Aarondb4
So Snowden finds out his section of the government is corrupt and is doing things it should not do, oh and they are willing to lie about it to Congress. And he is supposed to just run a complaint up the chain of command and think that something will be done about it? That is laughable at best. Heck yes they would have done something about it, they would have shut him up and ruined his life as they are trying to do now. He is not an idiot by any means. He gathered enough to scare them then told the public what their government was up to. He should have planned his exit strategy a bit better, that is the only not so smart move I see so far. Idiot and coward he is not. That would be fearing terrorists so much as to relinquish freedoms to a corrupt government and hoping they do the right thing. He didn't "find out" anything....he was a willing participant. It's REALLY expensive to run around like he's doing....ever wonder who's financing that? Looking at his background, I have a hard time believing he acted on any kind of moral principle.....that's just laughable. Well I don't have the magic "background button" that you have. Well played sir. |
| 2013-07-08 2:12 PM in reply to: Aarondb4 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Snowden? Dude....just do some reading....it's all out there. The guy is a high school drop out who worked for the CIA for a number of years before quitting to do contract work for the govt. He walked out on his fiance when he fled the country. It'll be interesting how this all plays out....because someone is backing him financially, and most likely paid him a huge sum for the leak. This guy is no crusader.....he's an azzhole. |
| 2013-07-08 2:18 PM in reply to: JoshR |
Expert 1951 | Subject: RE: Snowden? Originally posted by JoshR Originally posted by Aarondb4 Well played sir. Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by Aarondb4
So Snowden finds out his section of the government is corrupt and is doing things it should not do, oh and they are willing to lie about it to Congress. And he is supposed to just run a complaint up the chain of command and think that something will be done about it? That is laughable at best. Heck yes they would have done something about it, they would have shut him up and ruined his life as they are trying to do now. He is not an idiot by any means. He gathered enough to scare them then told the public what their government was up to. He should have planned his exit strategy a bit better, that is the only not so smart move I see so far. Idiot and coward he is not. That would be fearing terrorists so much as to relinquish freedoms to a corrupt government and hoping they do the right thing. He didn't "find out" anything....he was a willing participant. It's REALLY expensive to run around like he's doing....ever wonder who's financing that? Looking at his background, I have a hard time believing he acted on any kind of moral principle.....that's just laughable. Well I don't have the magic "background button" that you have. Do you really think that anyone with a bit of coin can't find background information on almost any person? No one needs a special "Button". If LB wanted classified info on someone, he'd prolly get some other putz to do it..lol. |
| 2013-07-08 2:24 PM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Snowden? Originally posted by KateTri1 Originally posted by JoshR Originally posted by Aarondb4 Well played sir. Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by Aarondb4
So Snowden finds out his section of the government is corrupt and is doing things it should not do, oh and they are willing to lie about it to Congress. And he is supposed to just run a complaint up the chain of command and think that something will be done about it? That is laughable at best. Heck yes they would have done something about it, they would have shut him up and ruined his life as they are trying to do now. He is not an idiot by any means. He gathered enough to scare them then told the public what their government was up to. He should have planned his exit strategy a bit better, that is the only not so smart move I see so far. Idiot and coward he is not. That would be fearing terrorists so much as to relinquish freedoms to a corrupt government and hoping they do the right thing. He didn't "find out" anything....he was a willing participant. It's REALLY expensive to run around like he's doing....ever wonder who's financing that? Looking at his background, I have a hard time believing he acted on any kind of moral principle.....that's just laughable. Well I don't have the magic "background button" that you have. Do you really think that anyone with a bit of coin can't find background information on almost any person? No one needs a special "Button". If LB wanted classified info on someone, he'd prolly get some other putz to do it..lol.
ON the other hand, I wouldn't.....ever.....because I just don't care what people are doing outside of my official capacity. And no matter how important you think you are.....it's almost a certainty that nobody cares about what you're (the collective you) doing either. Edited by Left Brain 2013-07-08 2:35 PM |
Wait......by saying "some OTHER putz" doesn't that make me the original putz? Words can be hurtful, Kate. 
But, honestly.......yeah, I would. 
| 2013-07-08 3:07 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Expert 3126 Boise, ID | Subject: RE: Snowden? Originally posted by Left Brain Dude....just do some reading....it's all out there. The guy is a high school drop out who worked for the CIA for a number of years before quitting to do contract work for the govt. He walked out on his fiance when he fled the country. It'll be interesting how this all plays out....because someone is backing him financially, and most likely paid him a huge sum for the leak. This guy is no crusader.....he's an azzhole. Haha calm down, just diggin on your ability to know my wife's favorite ice cream flavor by seeing my license plate.
Okay, so he is a useful azzhole then. Character traits aside I am glad he climbed high enough to get the info and then inform the people what the government we pay for is really up to. They work for us and exist by our grace, they seem to think and operate the opposite. |
| 2013-07-08 3:19 PM in reply to: Aarondb4 |
Expert 1951 | Subject: RE: Snowden? Originally posted by Aarondb4 Originally posted by Left Brain Dude....just do some reading....it's all out there. The guy is a high school drop out who worked for the CIA for a number of years before quitting to do contract work for the govt. He walked out on his fiance when he fled the country. It'll be interesting how this all plays out....because someone is backing him financially, and most likely paid him a huge sum for the leak. This guy is no crusader.....he's an azzhole. Haha calm down, just diggin on your ability to know my wife's favorite ice cream flavor by seeing my license plate.
Okay, so he is a useful azzhole then. Character traits aside I am glad he climbed high enough to get the info and then inform the people what the government we pay for is really up to. They work for us and exist by our grace, they seem to think and operate the opposite. come on... People like Snowden because they feel like he's putting some kind of bad light on an administration they didn't like in the first place. |
| 2013-07-08 3:21 PM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Snowden? Originally posted by Aarondb4 Originally posted by Left Brain Dude....just do some reading....it's all out there. The guy is a high school drop out who worked for the CIA for a number of years before quitting to do contract work for the govt. He walked out on his fiance when he fled the country. It'll be interesting how this all plays out....because someone is backing him financially, and most likely paid him a huge sum for the leak. This guy is no crusader.....he's an azzhole. Haha calm down, just diggin on your ability to know my wife's favorite ice cream flavor by seeing my license plate.
Okay, so he is a useful azzhole then. Character traits aside I am glad he climbed high enough to get the info and then inform the people what the government we pay for is really up to. They work for us and exist by our grace, they seem to think and operate the opposite. If I was any more calm I'd be alseep. I've worked for a govt. agency my whole life, so has my wife....so I end up knowing alot of people who work for the govt. You'd likely be surprised at how dedicated and responsible most of them are. My issue with snowden, besides the fact that he's a slimeball azzhole, is that this whole deal is probably much more politically motivated (by whoever is backing him) than it is "constitutional rights" driven, as most of the fans of snowden want me to believe. This is part of a smear on the Obama led white house, which I'm no fan of either.....but the information gathering has been going on for a looong time, and it crosses party lines. Snowden is the butt boy, and they couldn't have picked a better one to compromise, but I would like to know the entire story....and my bet is that it's a nasty affair. Hell, that dumbarse may well up missing yet.....but you could point your fingers in alot of different directions over how that may happen. He's a traitor......I don't care what happens to him. Your wife doesn't like ice cream as much as you think she does. Edited by Left Brain 2013-07-08 3:22 PM |
| 2013-07-08 4:28 PM in reply to: KateTri1 |
Expert 3126 Boise, ID | Subject: RE: Snowden? Originally posted by KateTri1 Originally posted by Aarondb4 Originally posted by Left Brain Dude....just do some reading....it's all out there. The guy is a high school drop out who worked for the CIA for a number of years before quitting to do contract work for the govt. He walked out on his fiance when he fled the country. It'll be interesting how this all plays out....because someone is backing him financially, and most likely paid him a huge sum for the leak. This guy is no crusader.....he's an azzhole. Haha calm down, just diggin on your ability to know my wife's favorite ice cream flavor by seeing my license plate.
Okay, so he is a useful azzhole then. Character traits aside I am glad he climbed high enough to get the info and then inform the people what the government we pay for is really up to. They work for us and exist by our grace, they seem to think and operate the opposite. come on... People like Snowden because they feel like he's putting some kind of bad light on an administration they didn't like in the first place. That is purely your opinion and something I hope you don't really believe as you have absolutely no way of knowing why someone thinks the way they do. I don't care if Mother Theresa was in charge, I am not okay with the Dept of Homeland Security, the NSA, the Patriot Act, etc. You are far too focused on the teatt for tat partisan politics game. The government, no matter who is in the Whitehouse is out of control and far beyond the bounds of what was originally intended. |
| 2013-07-08 5:14 PM in reply to: Aarondb4 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Snowden? Can I play? Here's my take: 1. This country really needs to wake up and pay attention to the erosion of rights in the name of 'national security.' Guess what? You can record every single conversation, every email, and have people spying on each other, like the good old days of East Germany, and some zealot will still find a way to kill people. 2. I'm glad that the Snowden saga is making people think, although I fully expect it will fade into the background as we go back to worrying about the Kardashians, football season, and other mindless drivel. (Note - don't hate on me, I love football, I'm just saying we as a nation have short attention spans and lack of interest in real problems). 3. Snowden is a creep and a traitor, and in this case shooting the messenger is a likely outcome. I also think LB is correct in that this is more than a one person vendetta. As little as I believe in conspiracy theories, I have a very hard time believing this guy is acting alone and without resources. |
| 2013-07-08 5:48 PM in reply to: 0 |
Veteran 487 Nova Scotia, Canada | Subject: RE: Snowden? Originally posted by BrianRunsPhilly Can I play? Here's my take: 1. This country really needs to wake up and pay attention to the erosion of rights in the name of 'national security.' Guess what? You can record every single conversation, every email, and have people spying on each other, like the good old days of East Germany, and some zealot will still find a way to kill people. 2. I'm glad that the Snowden saga is making people think, although I fully expect it will fade into the background as we go back to worrying about the Kardashians, football season, and other mindless drivel. (Note - don't hate on me, I love football, I'm just saying we as a nation have short attention spans and lack of interest in real problems). 3. Snowden is a creep and a traitor, and in this case shooting the messenger is a likely outcome. I also think LB is correct in that this is more than a one person vendetta. As little as I believe in conspiracy theories, I have a very hard time believing this guy is acting alone and without resources. Personally I think your point 1 is a little off. I'm not American, I'm Canadian, and I'm a police officer. Here's my take. I hope the government is recording every call. I want them to be able to track patterns to stop as many terrorist acts as possible. The government doesn't care what you do, who you talk too, or what you talk about, Unless its about killing people. I could care less who listens to my conversations. Fill your boots. Then again I'm a law abiding citizen that thinks that the government has gone to far trying to appease the 5% of people who whine and complain about every right under the sun being infringed on. These are the first people to complain that the police/courts didn't do their job when killers walk out of the court room free because of a legal loop hole. I feel the government can listen to as many calls as they want as long as it saves me from having to explain to even one person why their loved one is dead. Just my two cents, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, it's their right. I personally hope Snowden is caught and tried. He just cost your government millions, if not billions of tax dollars and has most likely set back countless national security investigations. I just hope no one dies because of information not being gained now. Edited by BigDaddyD79 2013-07-08 5:53 PM |
| 2013-07-08 5:58 PM in reply to: BrianRunsPhilly |
Expert 1951 | Subject: RE: Snowden? Originally posted by BrianRunsPhilly Can I play? Here's my take: 1. This country really needs to wake up and pay attention to the erosion of rights in the name of 'national security. What exactly should that look like? |
| 2013-07-08 6:03 PM in reply to: Aarondb4 |
Expert 1951 | Subject: RE: Snowden? Originally posted by Aarondb4 You are far too focused on the teatt for tat partisan politics game. ohhh mannnn.. you are gettin personal.. teatt for ... tat? simma dwn nahhhh... |
| 2013-07-08 6:26 PM in reply to: KateTri1 |
| Subject: RE: Snowden? Originally posted by KateTri1 Originally posted by Aarondb4 Originally posted by Left Brain Dude....just do some reading....it's all out there. The guy is a high school drop out who worked for the CIA for a number of years before quitting to do contract work for the govt. He walked out on his fiance when he fled the country. It'll be interesting how this all plays out....because someone is backing him financially, and most likely paid him a huge sum for the leak. This guy is no crusader.....he's an azzhole. Haha calm down, just diggin on your ability to know my wife's favorite ice cream flavor by seeing my license plate.
Okay, so he is a useful azzhole then. Character traits aside I am glad he climbed high enough to get the info and then inform the people what the government we pay for is really up to. They work for us and exist by our grace, they seem to think and operate the opposite. come on... People like Snowden because they feel like he's putting some kind of bad light on an administration they didn't like in the first place. The vast, VAST majority of people who don't like the administration want the treasonous bastard beheaded. The people who are holding him up as some sort of idol are the ones who tend to vote in line with the current administration. Bad assumption on this one. |
| 2013-07-08 7:27 PM in reply to: 0 |
Expert 1951 | Subject: RE: Snowden? Originally posted by DanielG The vast, VAST majority of people who don't like the administration want the treasonous bastard beheaded. The people who are holding him up as some sort of idol are the ones who tend to vote in line with the current administration. Bad assumption on this one. You are basing this comment on what information? I'm not making assumptions. This is what I've read. Edited by KateTri1 2013-07-08 7:28 PM |
| 2013-07-08 7:56 PM in reply to: KateTri1 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Snowden? Originally posted by KateTri1 Originally posted by BrianRunsPhilly Can I play? Here's my take: 1. This country really needs to wake up and pay attention to the erosion of rights in the name of 'national security. What exactly should that look like? An intelligent discussion about what the boundaries should be between personal freedoms and national security. The information required to have that discussion being made available by our government. I just read this by the EFF and it' a bit chilling. I want to think about this some more, but it's also clear that the mechanism for protection of whistleblowers is inadequate - look up Thomas Drake. |
| 2013-07-09 9:57 AM in reply to: DanielG |
Expert 3126 Boise, ID | Subject: RE: Snowden? Originally posted by DanielG Originally posted by KateTri1 The vast, VAST majority of people who don't like the administration want the treasonous bastard beheaded. The people who are holding him up as some sort of idol are the ones who tend to vote in line with the current administration. Bad assumption on this one. Originally posted by Aarondb4 Originally posted by Left Brain Dude....just do some reading....it's all out there. The guy is a high school drop out who worked for the CIA for a number of years before quitting to do contract work for the govt. He walked out on his fiance when he fled the country. It'll be interesting how this all plays out....because someone is backing him financially, and most likely paid him a huge sum for the leak. This guy is no crusader.....he's an azzhole. Haha calm down, just diggin on your ability to know my wife's favorite ice cream flavor by seeing my license plate.
Okay, so he is a useful azzhole then. Character traits aside I am glad he climbed high enough to get the info and then inform the people what the government we pay for is really up to. They work for us and exist by our grace, they seem to think and operate the opposite. come on... People like Snowden because they feel like he's putting some kind of bad light on an administration they didn't like in the first place. You may want to check your assumption as well. Amazing how everyone gets to speak for the majority all of a sudden. |
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