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2021-02-24 12:35 PM

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“ Last November, before any vaccines had been approved, the gap between Democrats who said they planned to get vaccinated (51 percent) and Republicans who said the same (43 percent) was relatively small. Not anymore. Now, a full 78 percent of Democrats say they have gotten vaccinated or will get vaccinated versus just 47 percent of Republicans — a 31-point chasm.

Among Republicans who haven’t been vaccinated yet, a plurality (44 percent) say they will “never” go through with it. And while most Democrats and independents who were unsure about vaccination back in November now favor it, the opposite is true among previously unsure Republicans, who either remain undecided (25 percent) or have split evenly between the “yes” and “no” camps — making the GOP the only political group with more noes now than before the election.”


This does not surprise me. I think in general Republicans are more skeptical of the gubment than democrats who tend to rely more on gubment.

Of course, I’m sure demographics is a large part of this. People who live in rural areas (republicans) probably don’t feel as vulnerable as those who live in the population centers (democrats).



2021-02-24 4:02 PM
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Originally posted by Rogillio

“ Last November, before any vaccines had been approved, the gap between Democrats who said they planned to get vaccinated (51 percent) and Republicans who said the same (43 percent) was relatively small. Not anymore. Now, a full 78 percent of Democrats say they have gotten vaccinated or will get vaccinated versus just 47 percent of Republicans — a 31-point chasm.

Among Republicans who haven’t been vaccinated yet, a plurality (44 percent) say they will “never” go through with it. And while most Democrats and independents who were unsure about vaccination back in November now favor it, the opposite is true among previously unsure Republicans, who either remain undecided (25 percent) or have split evenly between the “yes” and “no” camps — making the GOP the only political group with more noes now than before the election.”


This does not surprise me. I think in general Republicans are more skeptical of the gubment than democrats who tend to rely more on gubment.

Of course, I’m sure demographics is a large part of this. People who live in rural areas (republicans) probably don’t feel as vulnerable as those who live in the population centers (democrats).




I think some undecided folks, and those who said no months ago, changed their minds seeing that vaccinated people are doing well. There was a lot of fear on the vaccine aspects, some reasonable, some not, but once you see your friends, families, coworkers vaccinated, and seing them doing fine, one feels more comfortable with their decision to go yes.
2021-02-25 8:41 AM
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Originally posted by Rogillio “ Last November, before any vaccines had been approved, the gap between Democrats who said they planned to get vaccinated (51 percent) and Republicans who said the same (43 percent) was relatively small. Not anymore. Now, a full 78 percent of Democrats say they have gotten vaccinated or will get vaccinated versus just 47 percent of Republicans — a 31-point chasm. Among Republicans who haven’t been vaccinated yet, a plurality (44 percent) say they will “never” go through with it. And while most Democrats and independents who were unsure about vaccination back in November now favor it, the opposite is true among previously unsure Republicans, who either remain undecided (25 percent) or have split evenly between the “yes” and “no” camps — making the GOP the only political group with more noes now than before the election.” This does not surprise me. I think in general Republicans are more skeptical of the gubment than democrats who tend to rely more on gubment. Of course, I’m sure demographics is a large part of this. People who live in rural areas (republicans) probably don’t feel as vulnerable as those who live in the population centers (democrats).

The most skeptical group of all would likely be the ones you insinuate are reliant on the government, the inner-city African-American population (and for good reason) so I'm not sure the correlation is accurate there.  The difference is that in Dem areas (painting with a broad brush here) there is a campaign to get people vaccinated vs. the not-insignificant number of Reps who believe the vaccine is a conspiracy designed by Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos to track you.

People have to make their own risk assessment, but we aren't alone on this blue marble and our personal decisions impact others, and that's probably more so in urban / suburban areas so yeah, I could see the urban vs. rural thing.

2021-02-25 12:12 PM
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I'm not left, so I guess that makes me a racist misogynist transphobic, so with that preamble...

My understanding of the vaccines currently on offer: They don't prevent you from contracting the C-19 virus, nor from transmitting it to some one else. All it does is prevent you from suffering symptoms of having it (like all the asymptomatic cases already testing positive to great surprise to the testee), and it only does that for a period of time.

So how does not taking the vaccine affect so many other people? (relax, I realize that those suffering severe symptoms needing hospitalization are a "burden on society")



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2021-02-25 2:11 PM
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Originally posted by briderdt

I'm not left, so I guess that makes me a racist misogynist transphobic, so with that preamble...

My understanding of the vaccines currently on offer: They don't prevent you from contracting the C-19 virus, nor from transmitting it to some one else. All it does is prevent you from suffering symptoms of having it (like all the asymptomatic cases already testing positive to great surprise to the testee), and it only does that for a period of time.

So how does not taking the vaccine affect so many other people? (relax, I realize that those suffering severe symptoms needing hospitalization are a "burden on society")




The studies of how much they reduce transmission are still underway.

But some of the vaccines do reduce, but do not eliminate transmission and more importantly reduce mutation.

2021-02-25 2:22 PM
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Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by briderdt

I'm not left, so I guess that makes me a racist misogynist transphobic, so with that preamble...

My understanding of the vaccines currently on offer: They don't prevent you from contracting the C-19 virus, nor from transmitting it to some one else. All it does is prevent you from suffering symptoms of having it (like all the asymptomatic cases already testing positive to great surprise to the testee), and it only does that for a period of time.

So how does not taking the vaccine affect so many other people? (relax, I realize that those suffering severe symptoms needing hospitalization are a "burden on society")

The studies of how much they reduce transmission are still underway. But some of the vaccines do reduce, but do not eliminate transmission and more importantly reduce mutation.

Yeah, but what about those emails?



2021-02-25 2:37 PM
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Originally posted by briderdt

Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by briderdt

I'm not left, so I guess that makes me a racist misogynist transphobic, so with that preamble...

My understanding of the vaccines currently on offer: They don't prevent you from contracting the C-19 virus, nor from transmitting it to some one else. All it does is prevent you from suffering symptoms of having it (like all the asymptomatic cases already testing positive to great surprise to the testee), and it only does that for a period of time.

So how does not taking the vaccine affect so many other people? (relax, I realize that those suffering severe symptoms needing hospitalization are a "burden on society")

The studies of how much they reduce transmission are still underway. But some of the vaccines do reduce, but do not eliminate transmission and more importantly reduce mutation.

Yeah, but what about those emails?




Sorry that one went 50 feet over my head.

But since it's in pink....I guess it's safe

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2021-03-01 4:05 PM
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Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by briderdt

I'm not left, so I guess that makes me a racist misogynist transphobic, so with that preamble...

My understanding of the vaccines currently on offer: They don't prevent you from contracting the C-19 virus, nor from transmitting it to some one else. All it does is prevent you from suffering symptoms of having it (like all the asymptomatic cases already testing positive to great surprise to the testee), and it only does that for a period of time.

So how does not taking the vaccine affect so many other people? (relax, I realize that those suffering severe symptoms needing hospitalization are a "burden on society")

The studies of how much they reduce transmission are still underway. But some of the vaccines do reduce, but do not eliminate transmission and more importantly reduce mutation.


I'm registered No Party Preference so not waiting for the left or right to tell me whether to get it - I did.
It reduces severe cases and deaths.  Zero hospitalizations and deaths from Israeli data
There is trending data showing that Pfizer might reduce transmission as well
More importantly (IMO) a virus that cannot multiply cannot mutate and make your vaccine useless
Reading that 60 something percent of white republicans will refuse it.  Absolutely do not get that, at all 

2021-03-22 3:55 PM
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How to get the right vaccinated. Brilliant !!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/krispy-kreme-free-doughnut-every-day-20...

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