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2006-12-13 2:30 PM

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I am doing my first Half Ironman May 20th (Florida 70.3) and I want to do the Chicago Marathon October 7th. The training plan I have for a marathon is 18 weeks long. That would give me only two weeks between the HIM and the start of marathon training. Is this long enough. I dont know how your body reacts after a long triathlon. Any help would be great...


2006-12-13 2:43 PM
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Even though your program starts two weeks after your HIM, it's going to be at a level substantially below where you should be training prior to your HIM. Higdon's Novice, for example, starts with a weekly mileage of 15 and a long run of 6 (Intermediate I is 24 and 8). You should be able to handle that after a two-week recovery from your HIM.
2006-12-13 2:53 PM
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As bear noted, 2 weeks is plenty to begin training again.  Depending on the marathon plan, you may want to bump up the volume in the early weeks as it could represent a "step back" from where you will be at fitness-wise following the 70.3.
2006-12-13 2:54 PM
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yeah those are the plans I was looking at. I cant decide if I should do the novice or intermediate. I think I could handle the intermediate, but its my first marathon and the training will start so soon after the HIM so Im leaning toward the novice.
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jbillfsu - 2006-12-13 2:54 PM yeah those are the plans I was looking at. I cant decide if I should do the novice or intermediate. I think I could handle the intermediate, but its my first marathon and the training will start so soon after the HIM so Im leaning toward the novice.

How long have you been running, where have you maxxed out as far as miles per week and long run?

The novice plan is adequate but extremely basic. If you have a year or more of running background, and can run five days per week, the Intermediate I plan might get you better prepared.

2006-12-13 3:06 PM
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I am just finishing college and have always been active, but never endurance based activity. I am doing a short Tri in March, the HIM in May, and the Chicago mary in October. Since its really my first year of real endurance focus, my main goal is to complete all three and just get the mental and physical experience so I can do more as I get older. But as I look at it the intermediateI does look like a very capable first plan. As always I appriecate everyones insight.


2006-12-17 11:15 PM
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For my first Marathon, I did the Hal Higdon Novice plan for Chicago in 2002 and ended up with a 4:30 marathon. Last year I started Tri training in March. Did a sprint in June and planned for an Olympic in July and the Twin Cities Marathon on Oct. 1. My personal life got crazy (changed jobs and moved from MN to IN), so the Olympic never happened. However, I migrated from Tri training to marathon training and had a very strong run. I completed the Twin Cities in 4:00:36. My training down the stretch really suffered (the moving, new job, etc), but I never missed a long run. I missed plenty of the short runs, averaging only about 2 runs per week. However, I feel the Triathalon base develeped from March to July made me a stronger runner - mainly due to better core fitness - obliques, abs, back...

You will be totally unchallenged/bored if you start with week one of the Hal Higdon plan (3,3,3,6 mile runs). I recommend picking up where you left off a month or two before the HIM taper (4,5,8 or 5,6,10 mile runs). Also stick with swimming and biking for cross training. Ideally I intend to run 3 times per week , bike once and swim once (after long run) between the HIM and Marathon. Its just easier on my body (knees, feet) and helps maintain that core strength.

In 2007 I plan on doing my 1st HIM (Aug) and a late season Marathon (NYC or Marine Corps). I'm attempting to attach a draft of my 2007 plan. I'm not a pro or anything but figure it may help you in the planning process to have another perspective.

Good Luck!!!



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surfwallace - 2006-12-18 9:01 AM I have said it before but I am amazed when I hear someone say that their first marathon was at the end of an IM. I am also amazed by trying a HIM before a marathon. I am all for the step up for pain and a HIM hurts more than a marathon in my opinion. 

You would likely be in the minority with this opinion. For mpst people, a HIM would take longer to complete than a marathon, but the variety of activities are nowhere near as taxing as running the entire event.

Like the others said, you will have better fitness after the HIM than you will need for the marathon.

I would also disagree with this statement. Certain aspects of fitness coming out of the HIM will be more than you need for a marathon, but you will not (in most cases) have the stamina to hold pace for 26 miles. That will only comes with runs much longer in length that needed for a successful HIM.

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I am signed up for my first HIM in AZ Soma Oct 23rd, 2012. I am going to sign up for full marathon at PF Chang's in AZ Jan 2013. What is a good plan to transition from HIM to Full Marathon? I have done five other full marathons and several half marathons over last four years. I just completed my second Olympic Tri Apr 15, 2012. I am using Beginner Tri Training plan for HIM, Help?


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foyth - 2012-05-18 3:10 PM I am signed up for my first HIM in AZ Soma Oct 23rd, 2012. I am going to sign up for full marathon at PF Chang's in AZ Jan 2013. What is a good plan to transition from HIM to Full Marathon? I have done five other full marathons and several half marathons over last four years. I just completed my second Olympic Tri Apr 15, 2012. I am using Beginner Tri Training plan for HIM, Help?

That's about the timeframe I had from my first HIM to my first Marathon.

I found a 10 week half marathon to full marathon plan and did that after a 2 week "break" from training. I had a week of recovery (I think I swam once - I was physically and mentally tired), followed by a week of whatever workouts I wanted to do, then got going with the training program.

My marathon went very well. I'm sure with longer specific training I could have gone faster, but I was happy with the results. 

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Here are my thoughts. 

Assuming you are well trained for HIM you are doing big volume time wise. 

I am for example doing about 11 hours / week now.  If that was all running it would be 100 miles / week for me.  I've done marathons and 100 miles of running / week would KILL ME!  LOL.  Therefore HIM training should get the engine in greater shape than running alone. 

The problem is long efforts of the run.  Somehow you'll likely have to incorporate those longer efforts.  If I were you I'd try to keep the Bike and especially swim in there a bit so you don't actually go backwards in aerobic fitness (or total hours logged). 

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cmscat50 - 2012-05-18 4:34 PM

Here are my thoughts. 

Assuming you are well trained for HIM you are doing big volume time wise. 

I am for example doing about 11 hours / week now.  If that was all running it would be 100 miles / week for me.  I've done marathons and 100 miles of running / week would KILL ME!  LOL.  Therefore HIM training should get the engine in greater shape than running alone. 

The problem is long efforts of the run.  Somehow you'll likely have to incorporate those longer efforts.  If I were you I'd try to keep the Bike and especially swim in there a bit so you don't actually go backwards in aerobic fitness (or total hours logged). 

I beg to differ...

I biked about an average of an hour a week, and maybe hit the pool once every two weeks during that 10-week period. 

Running 30 to 40 miles per week is a MUCH different animal than tri-training for the same amount of time. I don't think I stepped backwards in fitness, and the break from biking and swimming left me much more excited about them post-marathon!

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I will let you know in about a week. I have a marathon 6 weeks after a HIM . With a sprint the week before and 2 weeks after the marathon. I pretty much finished my marathon training. Before the him. It made for a very good Him. Pr'ed it by 45 minutes. We will see how the marathon goes
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5.5 years...that's got to be some kind of record.


2012-05-18 11:31 PM
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Jason - I was thinking the same thing!!  I was reading through sorta wondering if there was going to be some kind of follow-up and wondering how the marathon went and then noticed the op of 2006...  Still a good read, I was interested in the opinions on where to begin certain FM training plans based on current fitness levels..and how to integrate them with tri training plans.

..James

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I was in your shoes this time last year. I did my first HIM at the end of June of last year and my first marathon in September (and decided on a whim to do my first IM at the end of October). I essentially began a 20 week training plan for the marathon that included tri training in April of last year. I used a modified Jack Daniels plan that I wrote to incorporate swimming and biking. My peak mileage ended up being in the low 70's, and weekly mileage averaged in the mid 50's. I had little experience with distance sports, but built up over a few months to that mileage. I ended up missing a BQ by 34 seconds in my marathon, but still had a good experience.

You can look at my logs from last year to see how I attempted to balance things.

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