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2007-07-04 10:48 AM

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Subject: Are aero helmets worth it?
I was wondering what everyone thinks about aero helmets. I was reading on another site that an aero helmet is some of the cheapest speed you can buy.

Now that I have a few races under my belt, I was wondering if purchasing an aero helmet for race day is worth it. I noticed that as far as the local tris I have competed in, the top males are about 50/50 between aero helmets and road helmets.

A little about me, I have a larger than average head and probably need all the help I can get making my mellon aero. So should I get one?


2007-07-04 6:46 PM
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Seems like a $$ issue to me. I believe science proves they work provided you maintain proper form throughout the ride. I've seen somewhere that you can save around 50 seconds on a 40k TT. I'm sure that figure can slide either way depending on you and riding conditions. Garneau makes an entry level one at 90 bucks. Also look here http://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...

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2007-07-04 7:32 PM
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Subject: RE: Are aero helmets worth it?
I'm all in favor of trading money for speed at reasonable quantities (less than Zipp for example). But, how do they vent? Has anyone gone from a high vent road helmet to one of these, and can give a feel for the difference? I have a very hot race coming up, and overheating can take back the aero differential pretty dang quickly.
2007-07-05 9:24 AM
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Subject: RE: Are aero helmets worth it?
I use the Rudy Project Syton Open, which is not "as" aero as some helmets, but I never really noticed a difference between that and my Giro road helmet as far as venting. Other helmets? Don't know.
2007-07-05 11:30 AM
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briderdt - 2007-07-05 10:24 AM

I use the Rudy Project Syton Open, which is not "as" aero as some helmets, but I never really noticed a difference between that and my Giro road helmet as far as venting. Other helmets? Don't know.



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2007-07-06 12:32 AM
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Aero helmets make a difference. I guess your actual question is: is an aero helmet right for you? Is it worth $90.00 to shave 30 seconds off your time and still place 45/80?

Or are you missing podium spots because the number 3 guy passed you on the bike and you couldn't catch him on the run?

 The shape of your head is more a factor than the size

Seriously though, many upgrades are trickle down tech from Professional level sports where seconds really do matter. For many of us the gains aren't worth the expense. Now a helmet is relatively cheap compared to a wheel set so If you got the coin go for it. Every time I think I "need" new wheels or whatever I look at some old race results and shave off the estimated time savings and I find that what I really need to do is knock a minute or 5 off my swim, or lower my run splits by 5 sec a mile and I more than make up for another bike gizmo. I will say I have been on a few long rides with a gnarly headwind wishing I had one o them fancy helmets



2007-07-06 10:36 AM
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They do say that shorter riders gain the same amount of difference from a aero helmet as they do aero wheels. (was in a article on trifuel)
2007-07-06 7:36 PM
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Subject: RE: Are aero helmets worth it?

Best investment:  Training

Next best investment:  Losing Weight.

Now, that's all preachy....but compared to the common 'big ticket' investments (and this is a speed per dollar point of view), a good bike fit ranks first, clipless pedals second, aerobars third.

After those three, there is a precipitous dropoff in benefit...and an aero helmet is prolly 4th (depends on length of tri) and a good wetsuit is prolly 5th, with a number of other items competing for 6th and below...Aero wheels and frame, reduced size of aerodrink straw, bento boxes vs. underseat packs, carbon cages, aero shaped bottles, crazy drink holder systems, reduced bike weight, racing flats, yankz, etc. But they all rank behind the first three for the average triathlon. 

It gets a little subjective depending on your race (if it's hilly, bike weight matters more, aero helmet less, if it's a draft-legal race most of the aero stuff won't make much difference, etc).

 

2007-07-10 6:19 PM
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Subject: RE: Are aero helmets worth it?
I think this is one of those questions where if you have to ask, you probably dont need it. Like the previous poster said, if it is coming down to making a podium spot by a matter of a few seconds, go for it, otherwise, Id invest elsewhere.
2007-07-10 6:45 PM
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Such as? 

There are few things that we NEED.  I think that has little to do with it.

For what it's worth, I can't think of many things to buy that save more time for the money invested than an aero helmet.

ranger5oh - 2007-07-10 6:19 PM I think this is one of those questions where if you have to ask, you probably dont need it. Like the previous poster said, if it is coming down to making a podium spot by a matter of a few seconds, go for it, otherwise, Id invest elsewhere.

2007-07-12 12:41 PM
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Subject: RE: Are aero helmets worth it?
rkreuser - 2007-07-06 8:36 PM

Best investment:  Training

Next best investment:  Losing Weight.

Now, that's all preachy....but compared to the common 'big ticket' investments (and this is a speed per dollar point of view), a good bike fit ranks first, clipless pedals second, aerobars third.

After those three, there is a precipitous dropoff in benefit...and an aero helmet is prolly 4th (depends on length of tri) and a good wetsuit is prolly 5th, with a number of other items competing for 6th and below...Aero wheels and frame, reduced size of aerodrink straw, bento boxes vs. underseat packs, carbon cages, aero shaped bottles, crazy drink holder systems, reduced bike weight, racing flats, yankz, etc. But they all rank behind the first three for the average triathlon. 

It gets a little subjective depending on your race (if it's hilly, bike weight matters more, aero helmet less, if it's a draft-legal race most of the aero stuff won't make much difference, etc).

 

 

I am going to disagree with you a little Rick......Dollar for dollar in order 1) A good coach (this falls under training I suppose), 2) Aero bars, 3) Power Meter (this could also fall under training) 4) Aero Helmet, 5) Lighter Wheels.

A common misconception that is out there regarding weight is "why should I pay for a lighter set of wheels, when I can just lose a few lbs around the waist line?". The answer is that you are dealing with angular acceleration and momentum regarding wheels and not pure weight. Now that is not saying losing a few lbs will not make you faster, it will since speed is a function of power/weight ratio.

Now to answer the OP's question.... Aero helmets are great and you will get a benefit from one no matter where you place in the group. They are a good bang for your buck.  

 



2007-07-13 12:58 AM
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Subject: RE: Are aero helmets worth it?
Buy the helmet. MIT says that "a nonaero helmet creates four times the drag of a nonaero wheelset"

I'm getting the Rudy Project Syton Open as it is comfortable, has a shield which I like, and more aero than the big ole' RP Kontact I use every day. hopefully Giro will bring their helmet into the U.S. soon and i'll check that one out too.


Cheap speed, and ventilation is not a problem for the majority of people according to a huge thread over on Slowtwitch recently.



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2007-07-13 5:21 PM
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Subject: RE: Are aero helmets worth it?
If you have the money its worth it. its money is tight then maybe not. aerodymaics is huge on a time trial. I am asusming you have the areo bars already since well you look funny without them and a aero helmet.

I would do alot before areo helmet but it is a good thing that you can do.
2007-07-13 6:51 PM
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Broompatrol - 2007-07-05 10:32 PM

Aero helmets make a difference. I guess your actual question is: is an aero helmet right for you? Is it worth $90.00 to shave 30 seconds off your time and still place 45/80



Since I'm probably destined to be a MOPer or top 1/3 - these are the kinds of questions I ask myself all the time. I.E. lighter running shoes, new tri suit, upgrading bike parts to carbon....

Now for for me, when it comes to Aero wheels, they just look SO damn cool I got a set! Best investment? No. But just looking at them makes me want to jump on the bike and train! Wierd?
2007-07-13 7:19 PM
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Subject: RE: Are aero helmets worth it?
For me, it comes down to effort. Will a gear upgrade/change reduce my overall level of effort? If I can reduce my level of effort by 2%, that makes a difference somewhere. Whether it's feeling fresher for the next discipline, or speed savings, or surpassing my own expectations, the idea is to make it easier to continue. From my research (an article in bicycling magazine), an aero helmet gives you the best bang for the buck. This can be a vicious circle, and an expensive one, so it all needs to be taken with a certain...levity. I'm not out there buying carbon bottle holders on my al Giant frame to save 2 grams. Although...
2007-07-13 9:05 PM
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You also have to remember that "aero" components are only efficient if you're traveling at over like 21 mph, so if you're not racing super fast, what's it going to change? If your local library has a certain book by Erik Harr, called something like Triathlon for beginners or something like that, it has a breakdown of how much efficiency is created by aerodynamic components.


2007-07-13 9:12 PM
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KCoates - 2007-07-13 9:05 PM You also have to remember that "aero" components are only efficient if you're traveling at over like 21 mph, so if you're not racing super fast, what's it going to change? If your local library has a certain book by Erik Harr, called something like Triathlon for beginners or something like that, it has a breakdown of how much efficiency is created by aerodynamic components.

Actually it's more like 12 mph... lemme see if I can find the source for that. I just read it. Might even be on BT already somewhere.

 

2007-07-13 9:20 PM
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Define efficient.  You gain benefit from them at a much lower speed than that, and that's been shown repeatedly.

The notion that you have to be a certain speed to derive benefit is nonsense.

KCoates - 2007-07-13 9:05 PM You also have to remember that "aero" components are only efficient if you're traveling at over like 21 mph
2007-07-13 9:30 PM
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I don't know what the speed is, but I know that air needs to travel over surfaces at certain speeds before those aero surfaces reach their intended efficiency. Obviously losing weight creates gains at all speeds and circumstances with the possible exception of going downhill when the dynamics described in Jethro Tull's "Fat Man" come into play.

I am not a doctor in aerodynamics, or the laws of physics for that matter, but I know when a propellor spins too fast it cavitates and loses its efficiency. I suspect, but could not prove, that same effect applies to aerodynamics.
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Define efficient. You gain benefit from them at a much lower speed than that, and that's been shown repeatedly.

The notion that you have to be a certain speed to derive benefit is nonsense.

KCoates - 2007-07-13 9:05 PM You also have to remember that "aero" components are only efficient if you're traveling at over like 21 mph





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2007-07-13 9:33 PM
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okay, you have to go relatively fast to get a significant change. Here's a site that's go a breakdown of all this aerodynamic stuff. http://damonrinard.com/aero/aerodynamics.htm
2007-07-13 9:43 PM
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I still don't know what "efficient" is in this conversation.  We're not talking about an airplane wing here.  Aero helmets (and other equipment) produce less drag at very reasonable speeds.  Certainly less than the 21mph or whatever was claimed earlier.

D.Z. - 2007-07-13 9:30 PM I don't know what the speed is, but I know that air needs to travel over surfaces at certain speeds before those aero surfaces reach their intended efficiency. Obviously losing weight creates gains at all speeds and circumstances with the possible exception of going downhill when the dynamics described in Jethro Tull's "Fat Man" come into play. I am not a doctor in aerodynamics, or the laws of physics for that matter, but I know when a propellor spins too fast it cavitates and loses its efficiency. I suspect, but could not prove, that same effect applies to aerodynamics



2007-07-13 9:46 PM
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Where does that mention that you have to go a certain speed to derive benefit from aero equipment?

KCoates - 2007-07-13 9:33 PM okay, you have to go relatively fast to get a significant change. Here's a site that's go a breakdown of all this aerodynamic stuff. http://damonrinard.com/aero/aerodynamics.htm

2007-07-13 9:55 PM
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I didn't say you had to, I restated that to get a significant benefit you have to go at a reasonable speed. I mean jeez, you can be right, I'm not looking to get you in an uprage, I'm wrong man.
2007-07-13 10:19 PM
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If you're going to make a claim on a public discussion board, you can expect that to be challenged at times.  Don't get your panties in a wad.

KCoates - 2007-07-13 9:55 PM I didn't say you had to, I restated that to get a significant benefit you have to go at a reasonable speed. I mean jeez, you can be right, I'm not looking to get you in an uprage, I'm wrong man.

2007-07-14 8:20 AM
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Nice Derek, way to welcome a new member to the discussion board...



DerekL - 2007-07-13 10:19 PM

If you're going to make a claim on a public discussion board, you can expect that to be challenged at times. Don't get your panties in a wad.

KCoates - 2007-07-13 9:55 PM I didn't say you had to, I restated that to get a significant benefit you have to go at a reasonable speed. I mean jeez, you can be right, I'm not looking to get you in an uprage, I'm wrong man.

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