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 2013-07-15 10:37 AM |
Expert  1951    |  Subject: Snowden again.. Why?does he have the "blueprints" of NSA surveillance? I'm sorry but he is almost an enemy of the state at this point. Thank God he has "insisted" they not be made public. Glenn Greenwald: Snowden has 'blueprints' of NSA surveillance
Edited by KateTri1 2013-07-15 10:37 AM |
| 2013-07-15 11:19 AM in reply to: KateTri1 |
Champion 6993  Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? I would agree with enemy of the state, but Is he an enemy of the People? |
| 2013-07-15 12:45 PM in reply to: chirunner134 |
Master 2477 Oceanside, California | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? Is it wrong to believe in assassination to avoid having to hear about him anymore? Same thing for Zimmerman, although it would have been cheaper to do it before the trial. |
| 2013-07-15 1:06 PM in reply to: chirunner134 |
Extreme Veteran 787 The Woodlands/Magnolia, TX. | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? Originally posted by chirunner134 I would agree with enemy of the state, but Is he an enemy of the People? if we're being theoretical, yes. the state protects the people, therefore he is also an enemy of the people. now, i get what you are saying, but being a whistle blower is one thing, continuing to leak classified data, regardless of its legality, is another thing. i'd stay away from windows if i were him. |
| 2013-07-15 1:36 PM in reply to: KateTri1 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? Originally posted by KateTri1 does he have the "blueprints" of NSA surveillance? I'm sorry but he is almost an enemy of the state at this point. Thank God he has "insisted" they not be made public. Glenn Greenwald: Snowden has 'blueprints' of NSA surveillance
I would hazard a guess that it's for his own protection. Since we now know it's okay to drone assasinate American Citizens, he might have copied it so that he has some protection from this. |
| 2013-07-15 1:49 PM in reply to: JoshR |
Expert 1951 | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? Originally posted by JoshR Originally posted by KateTri1 I would hazard a guess that it's for his own protection. Since we now know it's okay to drone assasinate American Citizens, he might have copied it so that he has some protection from this. does he have the "blueprints" of NSA surveillance? I'm sorry but he is almost an enemy of the state at this point. Thank God he has "insisted" they not be made public. Glenn Greenwald: Snowden has 'blueprints' of NSA surveillance
If he thinks he's protected by having that info, he should be droned for being a dumbazz. |
| 2013-07-15 2:12 PM in reply to: antlimon166 |
Champion 6993 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? Originally posted by antlimon166 Originally posted by chirunner134 I would agree with enemy of the state, but Is he an enemy of the People? if we're being theoretical, yes. the state protects the people, therefore he is also an enemy of the people. now, i get what you are saying, but being a whistle blower is one thing, continuing to leak classified data, regardless of its legality, is another thing. i'd stay away from windows if i were him. ideally I would say yes, but when the government violates the public trust they become an enemy of the people. If NSA, White house, or whoever is violating the US Constitution they are going against the people. |
| 2013-07-16 8:31 AM in reply to: chirunner134 |
Master 2946 Centennial, CO | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? I read yesterday that he had given the information to 3 other sources so that if anything happens to him it would be released. Does anyone really think that one of those 3 people won't release it anyway at some point. I would almost expect that he will disappear at some point. |
| 2013-07-16 8:52 AM in reply to: velocomp |
Champion 6993 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? I would agree weather he disappears on his own or not. I suspect he will live out his days were ever he ends up very quitely. Kinda with the idea you do not talk and we will let you live. They might even pay him off. |
| 2013-07-16 9:04 AM in reply to: antlimon166 |
Champion 5376 PA | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? Originally posted by antlimon166 Originally posted by chirunner134 I would agree with enemy of the state, but Is he an enemy of the People? if we're being theoretical, yes. the state protects the people, therefore he is also an enemy of the people. now, i get what you are saying, but being a whistle blower is one thing, continuing to leak classified data, regardless of its legality, is another thing. i'd stay away from windows if i were him. You had me at, "the state protects the people." |
| 2013-07-16 10:33 AM in reply to: Pector55 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? Originally posted by Pector55 Originally posted by antlimon166 Originally posted by chirunner134 I would agree with enemy of the state, but Is he an enemy of the People? if we're being theoretical, yes. the state protects the people, therefore he is also an enemy of the people. now, i get what you are saying, but being a whistle blower is one thing, continuing to leak classified data, regardless of its legality, is another thing. i'd stay away from windows if i were him. You had me at, "the state protects the people." Why else would we spend a trillion dollars a year on our military/homeland defense? |
| 2013-08-01 2:54 PM in reply to: JoshR |
Elite 3091 Spokane, WA | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? Well, you've probably all heard that Snowden's been granted a 1-year asylum by the Russians. It's interesting hearing all the saber-rattling the politicians are putting out over the damage this will do to our diplomatic relations with them. To me, I can't see how we can let this decision affect the relationship too greatly. I mean we need to work with Russia closely on nuclear weapons security, for example. I think that trumps this guy. |
| 2013-08-01 2:57 PM in reply to: zed707 |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? Originally posted by zed707 Well, you've probably all heard that Snowden's been granted a 1-year asylum by the Russians. It's interesting hearing all the saber-rattling the politicians are putting out over the damage this will do to our diplomatic relations with them. To me, I can't see how we can let this decision affect the relationship too greatly. I mean we need to work with Russia closely on nuclear weapons security, for example. I think that trumps this guy. interesting fact of the day: 10% of our alternative energy comes from dismantled and repurposed russian nuclear weapons from disarmourment treaties. |
| 2013-08-01 3:05 PM in reply to: dmiller5 |
Expert 1416 San Luis Obispo, CA | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? Originally posted by dmiller5 Originally posted by zed707 Well, you've probably all heard that Snowden's been granted a 1-year asylum by the Russians. It's interesting hearing all the saber-rattling the politicians are putting out over the damage this will do to our diplomatic relations with them. To me, I can't see how we can let this decision affect the relationship too greatly. I mean we need to work with Russia closely on nuclear weapons security, for example. I think that trumps this guy. interesting fact of the day: 10% of our alternative energy comes from dismantled and repurposed russian nuclear weapons from disarmourment treaties. How did we get their nukes? |
| 2013-08-01 3:29 PM in reply to: blbriley |
| Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? Originally posted by blbriley Originally posted by dmiller5 Originally posted by zed707 Well, you've probably all heard that Snowden's been granted a 1-year asylum by the Russians. It's interesting hearing all the saber-rattling the politicians are putting out over the damage this will do to our diplomatic relations with them. To me, I can't see how we can let this decision affect the relationship too greatly. I mean we need to work with Russia closely on nuclear weapons security, for example. I think that trumps this guy. interesting fact of the day: 10% of our alternative energy comes from dismantled and repurposed russian nuclear weapons from disarmourment treaties. How did we get their nukes? Ebay. |
| 2013-08-01 3:29 PM in reply to: blbriley |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? Originally posted by blbriley Originally posted by dmiller5 Originally posted by zed707 Well, you've probably all heard that Snowden's been granted a 1-year asylum by the Russians. It's interesting hearing all the saber-rattling the politicians are putting out over the damage this will do to our diplomatic relations with them. To me, I can't see how we can let this decision affect the relationship too greatly. I mean we need to work with Russia closely on nuclear weapons security, for example. I think that trumps this guy. interesting fact of the day: 10% of our alternative energy comes from dismantled and repurposed russian nuclear weapons from disarmourment treaties. How did we get their nukes? As part of the agreement to disarm, they dismantle the weapons and we agree to take the nuclear materials, "reprocess" it and use the material as fuel in a power reactor (although i suppose you could potentially use it in a research reactor if you were so inclined). |
| 2013-08-01 3:44 PM in reply to: dmiller5 |
Expert 1416 San Luis Obispo, CA | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? Thanks for the info! I guess that keeps it off of Ebay.  |
| 2013-08-08 7:34 PM in reply to: blbriley |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? |
| 2013-08-09 8:05 AM in reply to: tuwood |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? Originally posted by tuwood For future reference: i·ro·ny /'ir?ne/ Noun The expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect. |
| 2013-08-09 10:26 AM in reply to: jmk-brooklyn |
Expert 1951 | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? yeah, but he's been pretty much kicked out of the US... You couldn't pay me enough to live in that God forsaken country.... |
| 2013-08-09 12:25 PM in reply to: KateTri1 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? Originally posted by KateTri1 yeah, but he's been pretty much kicked out of the US... You couldn't pay me enough to live in that God forsaken country.... lol, for once Kate I think we are in complete agreement. I just saw that picture on facebook and thought it was funny. |
| 2013-08-09 2:41 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by KateTri1 yeah, but he's been pretty much kicked out of the US... You couldn't pay me enough to live in that God forsaken country.... lol, for once Kate I think we are in complete agreement. I just saw that picture on facebook and thought it was funny. "Everyone" is being spied on by the NSA? |
| 2013-08-09 3:16 PM in reply to: jmk-brooklyn |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? |
| 2013-08-09 8:17 PM in reply to: JoshR |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? Originally posted by JoshR http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/09/tech/web/snowden-email-lavabit/index.... Shocking right? What's shocking about it? That the guy shut down his service without giving his subscribers any notice or giving them the opportunity to recover their data or refunding their money? |
| 2013-08-09 11:20 PM in reply to: jmk-brooklyn |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Snowden again.. Why? Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Originally posted by JoshR http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/09/tech/web/snowden-email-lavabit/index.... Shocking right? What's shocking about it? That the guy shut down his service without giving his subscribers any notice or giving them the opportunity to recover their data or refunding their money? I think you're missing the point. Reading between the lines, by law he had to give NSA access to all of his customers data but he chose to close his business in order to prevent it and protect his customers constitutional rights. Go google the NSA 3 hop rule. I can pretty much guarantee that both you and I have had our phone records searched as a result of it. Even if we haven't every call that you, me, my wife, and three kids have made are all searchable in a government database. Not cool As I've mentioned before in other threads. I find it so ironic that the conservatives/libertarians are the ones arguing for civil rights when the progressives are arguing for more "trust in the government". |
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