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2013-12-12 11:42 AM

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I have been at my current job as an office manager for 8.5 years. A couple months ago I finally decided it was time to move on. I am at the top of a very short totem pole, no room for growth or earning potential. I was always told it is easier to find a job while employed than while unemployed. I am not sure I believe that. My current job is a Monday - Friday, 9-5. I have found it difficult to interview while working. My office basically shuts down when I am not there. It is a classic example of my job needing me more than I need them, thus the desire to move on. I can only have so many "dental emergencies" so that I can meet with prospective employers. I am also looking to get closer to home, my current commute is abut 40 minutes one way. Any tips from you BTers about how to accomplish this.

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2013-12-12 11:53 AM
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When scheduling interviews, tell them this up front.  Your application and/or resume should indicate that you are currently employed.  Say I am currently working and need at least a week to plan time off for an interview.  You have to be allowed to take a day or half day off with a week's notice.  Also - ask about earlier in the morning?  9 is a pretty late start, could easily get in an hour phone interview before that in many places.  A potential employer that wants you will work with you.

2013-12-12 12:08 PM
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I have done things like phone interviews on breaks and lunches. I have gone during my lunch to interview. Or I have interviewed before or after work. If you tell them your schedule they might be able to work around it. All else fails I just call in sick. 

 

2013-12-12 12:19 PM
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I have done things like phone interviews on breaks and lunches. I have gone during my lunch to interview. Or I have interviewed before or after work. If you tell them your schedule they might be able to work around it. All else fails I just call in sick. 

 




In quite a few jobs, you cannot go for, interview for or perform for another job while on sick leave. You can do it on annual leave without an issue, though.

Just something to take into consideration. May or may not pertain to your situation.

2013-12-12 12:31 PM
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I've done interviews at some pretty odd times, especially phone interviews. When it comes time for the face-to-face meeting, and it needs to be done during the day, there aren't a ton of options, unless you're dealing with a smaller, more flexible business. Depending on the number of people they want you to meet, you may be able to start early and end early, and head into work. I've done a number of informal breakfast interviews.

If you start missing days it's definitely a red flag. I've had colleagues ask me 'how was the interview?' when I took an unexpected day off. Semi-jokingly, but when you never, ever take time off and all of a sudden are gone, people aren't stupid.

2013-12-12 12:49 PM
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I've done interviews at some pretty odd times, especially phone interviews. When it comes time for the face-to-face meeting, and it needs to be done during the day, there aren't a ton of options, unless you're dealing with a smaller, more flexible business. Depending on the number of people they want you to meet, you may be able to start early and end early, and head into work. I've done a number of informal breakfast interviews.

If you start missing days it's definitely a red flag. I've had colleagues ask me 'how was the interview?' when I took an unexpected day off. Semi-jokingly, but when you never, ever take time off and all of a sudden are gone, people aren't stupid.

This is exactly how I came into my current job.  I had two phone interviews in the evening, and then a face-to-face at 7 a.m.  I even came to the interview in business casual (and explained why).  At the end of the day, if you're the candidate they want, they'll make it work.



2013-12-12 1:34 PM
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Originally posted by KSH

I have done things like phone interviews on breaks and lunches. I have gone during my lunch to interview. Or I have interviewed before or after work. If you tell them your schedule they might be able to work around it. All else fails I just call in sick. 

 

In quite a few jobs, you cannot go for, interview for or perform for another job while on sick leave. You can do it on annual leave without an issue, though. Just something to take into consideration. May or may not pertain to your situation.

I guess those would be jobs you sign a contract stating you will not do those things? 

 

2013-12-12 2:19 PM
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Originally posted by DanielG
Originally posted by KSH

I have done things like phone interviews on breaks and lunches. I have gone during my lunch to interview. Or I have interviewed before or after work. If you tell them your schedule they might be able to work around it. All else fails I just call in sick. 

 

In quite a few jobs, you cannot go for, interview for or perform for another job while on sick leave. You can do it on annual leave without an issue, though. Just something to take into consideration. May or may not pertain to your situation.

I guess those would be jobs you sign a contract stating you will not do those things? 

 




and/or are part of your employee handbook rules of employment that you sign you agree to. Pretty much every job I've ever had has an employee handbook and even the non-gov/mil jobs have had everyone sign an agreement to follow the rules and regulations of it, every year.

As I said, it may or may not pertain. People sometimes overlook such things and then are surprised to find they're fired for doing something they agreed not to do.


2013-12-12 2:21 PM
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Originally posted by KSH

Originally posted by DanielG
Originally posted by KSH

I have done things like phone interviews on breaks and lunches. I have gone during my lunch to interview. Or I have interviewed before or after work. If you tell them your schedule they might be able to work around it. All else fails I just call in sick. 

 

In quite a few jobs, you cannot go for, interview for or perform for another job while on sick leave. You can do it on annual leave without an issue, though. Just something to take into consideration. May or may not pertain to your situation.

I guess those would be jobs you sign a contract stating you will not do those things? 

 

and/or are part of your employee handbook rules of employment that you sign you agree to. Pretty much every job I've ever had has an employee handbook and even the non-gov/mil jobs have had everyone sign an agreement to follow the rules and regulations of it, every year. As I said, it may or may not pertain. People sometimes overlook such things and then are surprised to find they're fired for doing something they agreed not to do.

Fair enough. I suppose you would get fired if you get caught doing it before you had a new job. That's why people usually keep it on the down low when they are job hunting. 

 

2013-12-12 3:02 PM
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Originally posted by KSH

Originally posted by DanielG
Originally posted by KSH

Originally posted by DanielG
Originally posted by KSH

I have done things like phone interviews on breaks and lunches. I have gone during my lunch to interview. Or I have interviewed before or after work. If you tell them your schedule they might be able to work around it. All else fails I just call in sick. 

 

In quite a few jobs, you cannot go for, interview for or perform for another job while on sick leave. You can do it on annual leave without an issue, though. Just something to take into consideration. May or may not pertain to your situation.

I guess those would be jobs you sign a contract stating you will not do those things? 

 

and/or are part of your employee handbook rules of employment that you sign you agree to. Pretty much every job I've ever had has an employee handbook and even the non-gov/mil jobs have had everyone sign an agreement to follow the rules and regulations of it, every year. As I said, it may or may not pertain. People sometimes overlook such things and then are surprised to find they're fired for doing something they agreed not to do.

Fair enough. I suppose you would get fired if you get caught doing it before you had a new job. That's why people usually keep it on the down low when they are job hunting. 

 

Which is also why you never, ever tell anyone at work you're leaving until you have a signed offer of employment or contract. Verbal isn't good enough.

2013-12-12 3:18 PM
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When I'm recruiting for a position in my company and the person already has a job, I will leave it up to them to tell me when is a good time.

I've met people at 7am and as late as 8p at a Starbucks to interview....I've also met them at lunch time.

Just be upfront with the person you're interviewing with and let them know that it's hard to get away from work and they should understand.



2013-12-12 3:57 PM
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I recently changed companies after seven years and did all my face-to-face interviews before work or over the noon hour. The new employer knew I couldn't let on that I was interviewing so they worked with me to schedule meeting times that worked for everybody involved.
2013-12-12 4:01 PM
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I was 7-3:30 at the old job. 

I found the one I'm at now, and I requested the latest possible interview time. It worked out

Also, the fact that my potential future employer was willing to be relatively flexible during the interview/hiring process was a huge plus. 

2013-12-13 7:06 AM
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I've sent some apps out there and have not heard anything back.  Kind of stuck where I am at as well.  Just have yet to get an interview anywhere.  It's a tough job market out there to say the least.

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