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2008-10-09 1:46 PM

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Subject: Time value of a wetsuit?
I've been fortunate to swim in warm waters and have only done one race with a wetsuit. But B2B is coming up and I will be using the suit (had it 3 years now).

How does swimming in a wetsuit compare to pool swimming for similar distances? I'm just trying to estimate times here. Say I'm doing 1:30 per 100 yards in the pool with kicking off walls and such, any idea how that translates to an open water swim with a wetsuit at iron distance?

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2008-10-09 3:33 PM
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I am slow and wearing a wetsuit doesn't change my swim pace at all (2:00 / 100). I am currently swimming in 50-53F water so I wear a wetsuit. I saw posted somewhere that OWS will cost you 20-30 sec per 100 over pool swiming because you have no kick off the wall. The wetsuit is more boyant so your swimming can take less energy, is why many people prefer them for long races. Shrug is the best I can tell ya. I am sure more informed posters will reply for ya here. I would just do a swim in your wetsuit and time it so you know how similar it is time wise, even if the water is hot.
2008-10-09 6:16 PM
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I usually see 10 to 15 seconds less per 100 m when using a wetsuit.  Without wetsuit - 1:50/100 m.  With wetsuit 1:35 to 1:40 / 100 m.
2008-10-09 6:28 PM
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fatmouse - 2008-10-09 11:46 AM I've been fortunate to swim in warm waters and have only done one race with a wetsuit. But B2B is coming up and I will be using the suit (had it 3 years now). How does swimming in a wetsuit compare to pool swimming for similar distances? I'm just trying to estimate times here. Say I'm doing 1:30 per 100 yards in the pool with kicking off walls and such, any idea how that translates to an open water swim with a wetsuit at iron distance? Thanks!

Believe it or not, there are two different questions/answers to this.

In general, I find that a wetsuit gives me 10s /100 more speed when compared to not having one.  I tested that several times in a pool.

BUT, if I compare my OWS with a suit, to a pool swim without a suit, it's about the same.

For me, I can safely assume I can achieve my pool swim times during an OWS, if I have a suit on.

BTW, I have heard that the better swimmer you are, a suit provides less of an advantage.  IE, a pro might get 5 seconds faster, as a beginner swimmer with poor form, could see 20 or more.

2008-10-09 7:44 PM
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2008-10-09 8:04 PM
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you are faster in fresh water than you are in a pool only if you can swim straight.   One of the keys in fresh water is learning how to swim straight.  Plus I tend to hold back during a OWS in a race because I have to bike and run.


2008-10-11 12:23 AM
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i m not a great swimmer. in the pool i average about 1:40 per 100 yards. Comparing my time for a 1.2 mile swim this season, a wetsuit gives me about 5 or 6 minutes time advantage. Some of that could be drafting as well. For example, I swam 1.2 in a pool 3 days before my last HIM at 44 min. I did the race with a suit in 38.

It's not very scientific, but a suit definitely makes the swim easier and likely faster as well.
2008-10-11 10:20 AM
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It makes you faster, now if they would just put the black line in the lake or ocean to point me in the right direction. 
2008-10-11 3:14 PM
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I'm a strong swimmer (or at least I was until a bike accident in June screwed up my shoulderCry...).  Before my first tri this season, I tried out my new wetsuit in the pool (no way to swim in OW before raceday).  I think I was around 10-12 seconds per 100 yards faster for the same effort-level.  I was swimming around 1:25 pace without trying- normally that would be a pace I would be working decently hard to make.  I've done an IM distance swim in 59 minutes and change (around 1:23/100 yards) with a wetsuit and I've done that distance in the pool without one (though I was less swim-fit when I did it in the pool) in that case, I swam around 3600 yards in an hour (total time around 1:11?). 

While a bad swimmer will get more of an advantage from a wetsuit than someone like me, a wetsuit only helps so much- if you can't swim well and haven't been swimming enough, there is no wetsuit in the world that is going to let someone like that beat someone who is a strong swimmer with a deep swim history (like being on a swim team in high school), even if the swimmer hasn't been swimming much.  You still need to do the work- a good swim base+ a correctly-fitting wetsuit (many wear one's that don't fit)+ comfort in the open water= greater chance of strong swim times.

 

2008-10-12 3:56 PM
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I am a strong swimmer and come for a competitive swimming background.  I do not like wearing wetsuits.  It has not provided me with any speed advantage.  That said, if it is wetsuit legal, I usually still wear it.  Not sure why?  Maybe to fit in?  I have heard from friends that are not strong swimmers that the wetsuit provides them with confidence and a slight speed advantage. 
2008-10-15 10:23 PM
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it gives me about 15 seconds / 100 yards.  Drops me from 2min/hundred to 1:45.  In addition I really like the bouyancy (life preserver effect) when I'm swimming alone in open water.


2008-10-16 6:25 PM
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Wet suit provides me with NO speed advantage that I can notice. I am a very consistent swimmer at about 1:30/100 with wet suit in OWS fresh water and exactly the same time in Salt water with wetsuit. The biggest difference I noticed is the back pain and the over heating that I experienced. I was overheating after about 30 minutes during Alcatraz swim to the point where I had to pull the neck of the suit to let water in a couple of times (it felt soo good). The water was upper 50's maybe 60 degrees.

I will be swimming with out wet suits as often as I can and with a Sleeveless suit (john) when the water is under 63 degrees to avoid overheating.
2008-10-16 6:58 PM
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For those who say they don't get a speed advantage using a wetsuit, I have another question.  Does a wetsuit enable you to swim the same speed as without a wetsuit but use less energy?  If you can swim faster and/or use less energy swimming in a wetsuit than without, then either is a good reason to wear a wetsuit. 
2008-10-18 10:18 PM
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HIM swim (2112 yds) at Vineman this summer in wetsuit: 34+ minutes
2200 yds _of intervals_ in pool this morning, no wetsuit: 40.5 minutes

That's 1:36 vs. 1:50 per 100...right in line with the 10-15 seconds per 100 yds others have said they've gained.
2008-10-20 5:47 AM
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Mouse -- more than the speed question (well answered by others), what I really like about the wetsuit is the lower heart rate, and lower effort, for the same speed.  A well fit wetsuit greatly increases the ease of holding any speed, giving you more energy for the bike & run.  

Hope this helps,

gordo

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