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2006-03-22 4:13 AM

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I would just like to get your thoughts on the recent court victory, of a man who sued Marlboro after contracting lung cancer, and who has subsequently died. The family has won $82 million.

My question is, should this even be allowed, as Marlboro did not force you put the cigarette in your mouth, similarly McDonalds does not force you to eat their burgers.

The health consequences of smoking are well known, and so are the health risks associated with over indulging in fast foods and living a sedentary lifestyle.

So is it really the fault of the manufacturer that you got sick?


2006-03-22 5:15 AM
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So here's the ultimate answer. Yes and no. No because we all Know better. Yes because these are substances which cause great harm to the body and if manufactured or supplied by any other segment of the business world would be immeditiately yanked and the perpetrators punished. Strange world huh?
2006-03-22 8:15 AM
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I'm still waiting for the lawsuit against beer/liquor companies for causing liver problems.
2006-03-22 8:34 AM
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I have conflicted opinions.  On the one hand, I am a big fan of personal responsibility.   No one is making you smoke or eat cheeseburgers or whatever.  But, I do know that companies like Philip Morris go out of their way to make cigarettes as addictive as possible.  To some extent, it is their fault  that people are still smoking and cannot quit.

I guess I wish we lived in a society where the first instinct was not to sue, but instead to think "that was stupid of me."  Some siutations do call for lawsuits, but not as many as have come up. 

2006-03-22 9:10 AM
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I think its time for people take responsibility for their actions....sueing because your coffee is too hot, getting fat from shoving 1000 calorie burgers down your throat, and smoking 30 cigs a day isn't anyone's fault but your own....

On the other hand, I HATE CIGARETTES and if these lawsuits make them more expensive and less people can afford them, I'm all for it! I hate the smell so much....I say make 20 bucks a pack.

2006-03-22 9:18 AM
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I agree - take responsibility! I can acknowledge addictions, but people overcome their addictions every day. My gramma stopped smoking after 40+ years, obese people lose weight every day. It's an inner battle, but it's not impossible.


2006-03-22 9:50 AM
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No way....82 Million!! Come on. I'm totally against smoking, don't get me wrong.
I grew up an asthmatic and my step-mother passed away from stage 4 lung cancer.

They are producing something that is a completley different product than the fast
food chains are making. Cigerettes never have been advertised to sustain or keep
you alive. Fast food, however bad for you, can sustain your life if needed. Can't get that
from a cigerette. To compare the two is apples vs oranges. More like apples vs cinder blocks.

I'm just on the side of accountability. Personal accountability. Someone posted that
Phillup Morris goes out of their way to make them addictive as possible. No doubt. There trying to sell a legal product (as of now) and they have every right to do so. The same
goes for McDonalds. I remember the lawyer for Larry Flynt saying Free speech is about speech we like and speech we don't don't like.

Were are the lawsuits against Busch, Miller and Jack Daniels?
Do people that become addicted to the web sue their ISP because they got fat sitting in
front of the computer.? The web can be very addicting. Put the laptop down, back away
from it and GO Outside!

PS
The movie - Supersize Me -literaly changed my life. If you haven't seen in, RENT IT. If you
know someone that needs to see it, RENT IT. That guy deserves a Pulitzer or Peace Price
or something.
2006-03-22 10:06 AM
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yes, take responsibility...i agree.

however, lets say the manufacturer of your car KNOWINGLY sold you a car that they had faulty breaks. in fact, they sold thousands of them. if you got in a car accident and were hurt or killed, should the car company have liability? driving IS dangerous, after all. does it make a difference if they knowingly put you at additional risk just to make money? how about rubbing down the inside of the car with chemicals that made you want to drive ALL the time in the faulty car? still not at fault?

personally, if you take up smoking NOW, i don't think you would have any right to sue for health damages. the information is out there. but when my grandfather started smoking during the depression, it was supposed to be GOOD for you. when my father in law started smoking, doctors were still smoking in their patients rooms. its hard to quit, and the tobacco industry was doing all they could to a) make it more addictive, b) advertise to younger and younger people to recruit more addicts, and c) cover up everything they were doing because they already know how harmful their product was.

you could agree that fast food is addictive too, but i think its a seperate issue from tobacco.
2006-03-22 10:27 AM
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autumn - 2006-03-22 11:06 AM personally, if you take up smoking NOW, i don't think you would have any right to sue for health damages. the information is out there. but when my grandfather started smoking during the depression, it was supposed to be GOOD for you. when my father in law started smoking, doctors were still smoking in their patients rooms. its hard to quit, and the tobacco industry was doing all they could to a) make it more addictive, b) advertise to younger and younger people to recruit more addicts, and c) cover up everything they were doing because they already know how harmful their product was.

This is where I was going with my comment. Tobacco companies made a product that was very very addictive and they should be held accountable for that.  But, people who started smoking after that was made public knowledge should not be able to gain benefits from the lawsuits.

The research that Philip Morris is currently doing is quite frightening.  They are looking to make a "less harmful" cigarette.  They claim that it is not to get more people to smoke, but to make their current smokers more healthy.  I don't believe them at all. I think their goal is to get more people to smoke because, hey, they'll cause fewer health problems.  Is this right?  Who are they going to market these to?  People who used to smoke...who miss smoking.  Now they can have their vice and it won't cause problems for them.  I just think tobacco companies are evil.

That's not to say I don't think people shouldn't be held accountable.  They absolutely should be.  I shouldn't have started to smoke.  I did, but I also quit.  It was stupid. I can say that I quit and other people should be able to also, but it's not that easy.  I think tobacco should be taxed more than it is and maybe that would help people stop smoking.

I think fast food companies should also make an effort to serve healthy food.  I would eat at fast food (or restaurants in general) more often if I knew that I could go there and not worry about eating my entire daily allowance of fat and cholesterol in one sitting.  Don't they realize that there are a lot of people out there who want to eat healthy? 

2006-03-22 10:36 AM
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Artemis - 2006-03-22 10:27 AM

I just think tobacco companies are evil.


i think they made some REALLY bad choices, but when they started manufacturing they didn't even know how bad it was. the big problem came when people of power w/in the companies found out it was killing people, and still didn't change anything or admit anything (they still won't, even though its been proven in plenty of courtrooms, labs, and in more lungs than i want to think about).

the sad things, is that people in power are constantly making choices that will line their own pockets instead of maybe getting a little less and protecting the interests of their employees, the public, etc. this is why its so important to vote with your dollar, and buy from locally owned businesses, small corner shops, local farmers (organic), and big companies that are making GOOD choices (like malden mills, patagonia, etc). this also goes to what you are using to buy. we FINALLY got rid of our citibank credit cards. now that company has made some bad choices.
2006-03-22 10:47 AM
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Artemis - 2006-03-22 11:27 AM
I think fast food companies should also make an effort to serve healthy food.  I would eat at fast food (or restaurants in general) more often if I knew that I could go there and not worry about eating my entire daily allowance of fat and cholesterol in one sitting.  Don't they realize that there are a lot of people out there who want to eat healthy? 



What they realize is is that there are lot more that will eat their food.
Why do you think they should make an effort? If they felt it would help their bottom line
they would. They have no obligation to you. This is like saying that the creators of the Sopranos
need to start portraying Italians in a better light. Want a better light of Italians, go make your
own Italian show. Come on people. This is the very foundation of freedom of choice.
I get to make my own movie, I get to run my business, I get to eat what I want, I get to watch
what I want to watch and you get to do all the same as well. Just cause I don't like what some person eating or a business is selling or a movie creator is making doesn't give me a single right to get them to change. The only demand of change that I have a right to is the change I impose onto myself.


2006-03-22 10:52 AM
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tydarby - 2006-03-22 11:47 AM What they realize is is that there are lot more that will eat their food. Why do you think they should make an effort? If they felt it would help their bottom line they would. They have no obligation to you. This is like saying that the creators of the Sopranos need to start portraying Italians in a better light. Want a better light of Italians, go make your own Italian show. Come on people. This is the very foundation of freedom of choice. I get to make my own movie, I get to run my business, I get to eat what I want, I get to watch what I want to watch and you get to do all the same as well. Just cause I don't like what some person eating or a business is selling or a movie creator is making doesn't give me a single right to get them to change. The only demand of change that I have a right to is the change I impose onto myself.

Of course, they don't have an obligation to me.  All I was saying is that it would be nice to be able to go out to eat and get healthy food.  When did I say they had an obligation? 

2006-03-22 11:09 AM
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When this guy started smoking I bet it was quite different then today. I mean people used to take smoke breaks during the Tour de France when it first started. They had no idea what the consequences for their actions would be. I think that if a company is going to offer a product without the proper information on the heath effects then yes they are liable. When this guy started smoking there was no info and I bet the companies weren't trying to find a reason people should be cautious about their products. A company is responsible to offer information on the dangers of use of their product. If they don't they are liable in my opinion. Anyone who takes up smoking today though knows exactly what he or she is getting into. Now 82 million, thats another issue but they can't just fine the company a million. Then what is the incentive to make sure they or other companies will continue to do their due dilligence. You have to make sure they don't want that to happen again or they are not going to care in the future. 82 mil is probably still not a lot for a tobacco company.
2006-03-22 12:03 PM
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tydarby wrote:

.....Come on people. This is the very foundation of freedom of choice. I get to make my own movie, I get to run my business, I get to eat what I want, I get to watch what I want to watch and you get to do all the same as well. Just cause I don't like what some person eating or a business is selling or a movie creator is making doesn't give me a single right to get them to change. The only demand of change that I have a right to is the change I impose onto myself.

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And the insurance companies should also exercise their freedom of choice and right to do what they want....which is cut off your health insurance immediately.  You want to make unhealthy choices....you pay for them yourself. 



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2006-03-22 12:09 PM
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First off, due to the tobacco settlement, it is not legal for people to sue the big tobacco companies over this stuff; hence the payout to the states. I disagree with people saying “I don’t like it, or use it so tax it.” If we are going to tax, lets have a valid reason for it.

I think that suing these companies is horrible. The next step will be McDs, and liquor. Then we will see people suing their parents for giving them bad genes. It reminds me of the person who sued McDs over a burnt crotch; YOU ARE PUTTING HOT LIQUID IN A SENSITIVE AREA…. DUHHHHH.

If there is one thing I dislike about our culture is the litigious nature. When states have to enact “good Samaritan laws” it just goes to show that we as a people have lost perspective.
2006-03-22 1:00 PM
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autumn - 2006-03-22 9:06 AM yes, take responsibility...i agree. however, lets say the manufacturer of your car KNOWINGLY sold you a car that they had faulty breaks. in fact, they sold thousands of them. if you got in a car accident and were hurt or killed, should the car company have liability? driving IS dangerous, after all. does it make a difference if they knowingly put you at additional risk just to make money? how about rubbing down the inside of the car with chemicals that made you want to drive ALL the time in the faulty car? still not at fault?

that's different.  That would be selling the car under the false pretense that it is safe to drive.  To make it a better analagy, the car manufacturer would have a big lable on the steering wheel saying that the brakes are bad and the car is dangerous.

I agree it's rediculous that people are sueing over this.  I consider this a "dumb shit" suit.  Just like the hot coffee incident, the guy who chopped his fingers off with a mower using it as a hedge trimmer, the guy who put his ladder (without a "ladder may be unstable on ice) warning lable on ice and fell, ect.....

Maybe if it was the case where he was smoking during a time the tobbacco compaies knew it was hazzardous but they were suppressing the info, then yea I could see that.  Not for 15 million in damages though.  Maybe enough to cover medical expenses and rehab, but that's it.  The amounts people are suing for anymore are just plain stupid.  I think if they put some sort of cap on how much you can sue for for, and made it so that you had to pay your half of the court expenses regardless if you win or lose, a lot of these stupid law suits would quiet down.



2006-03-22 2:46 PM
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tyrant - 2006-03-22 12:09 PM ........Then we will see people suing their parents for giving them bad genes.....

Ohhh! Hey!  Excellent idea, thanks.  I'm calling my lawyer right now!

2006-03-22 3:12 PM
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Hmmm,  it's coming to me now... I will sue Hostess and Nabisco when overcome by OMD (Old Man's Disease).... and then take over the world.
2006-03-22 3:26 PM
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It seems he started smoking 48 years ago(1958, age 13), and he based his case on that the company insisted that there product was not addictive, and promoted a "better" lifestyle.
However the U.S. Surgeon General's warnings have been on the packets since 1969, approximately 32 years of his smoking life, so I think initially the company is to blame, but there was fair warning from 1969 onwards, hopefully sufficient time to quit.

I do not know if this will make any impact on the smokers out there, except give them an option to make some money if/when they get cancer, as well as open up an avenue for other addictions to become the subject of a law suit.

Alcohol pickled my liver, beat my wife and children and caused a pile up on the freeway.

Playing to long on the computer made me blind, fat and prone to a heart attack

Time mag has part of the story, http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,129687,00.html





2006-03-22 4:13 PM
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BravoAlphaZulu - 2006-03-22 3:26 PM

Playing to long on the computer made me blind, fat and prone to a heart attack



see! we all need to quit BT right now!
2006-03-22 5:51 PM
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BravoAlphaZulu - 2006-03-22 1:26 PM I Playing to long on the computer made me blind

 I was always told something else would make me go blind... and boy was the person who told me that ever wrong... However my eyesight did take quite a dive during my teenage years



2006-03-22 6:06 PM
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Global - 2006-03-22 6:51 PM

I was always told something else would make me go blind... and boy was the person who told me that ever wrong... However my eyesight did take quite a dive during my teenage years

LMAO...oh sure, go ahead and brag!  And what about those of us that believed that myth?  Maybe I should sue someone for missing out on all the fun! 

 

2006-03-22 6:10 PM
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max - 2006-03-22 4:06 PM
Global - 2006-03-22 6:51 PM

I was always told something else would make me go blind... and boy was the person who told me that ever wrong... However my eyesight did take quite a dive during my teenage years

LMAO...oh sure, go ahead and brag! And what about those of us that believed that myth? Maybe I should sue someone for missing out on all the fun!

Fun would have been having the means not to have to test the boundries of the myth ...

2006-03-23 12:09 AM
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Global - 2006-03-22 2:51 PM

BravoAlphaZulu - 2006-03-22 1:26 PM I Playing to long on the computer made me blind

 I was always told something else would make me go blind... and boy was the person who told me that ever wrong... However my eyesight did take quite a dive during my teenage years

I thought it was hairy palms?

2006-03-23 5:53 AM
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hehe, hairy palms, is that what the problem was


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