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2012-11-27 10:23 AM

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138 point single person scoring record.

This guy seems to think it is an embarassment. 

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/27/opinion/mills-basketball-record/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

I know that Grinnell runs an extreme run and gun.  That is how they play.  Across the court, maybe one pass, maybe, and then you shoot.  They have played it that way for quite a while.  They have been in the news before for this style of play and for not only scoring a ton but giving up quite a bit.  They would rather outscore you than shut you down.

So, what do you think?  Purposefully running up the score or just a product of how they play?



2012-11-27 10:29 AM
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Old school respect still isn't old, IMHO.

I guess it all depends on the coach's and the players' mentality and how the game is being taught/brought up/played nowadays.  But, if it happened to their team and that player at a much bigger school and they/he got outplayed tremendously, would they/he feel the same?

2012-11-27 10:32 AM
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The other team scored over 100 and one of their guys had around 70.  They lost to a team that was just better at being freakish scorers.  No big deal.

Seems a silly thing to be offended about on behalf of someone else.

 

 



Edited by Goosedog 2012-11-27 10:33 AM
2012-11-27 10:32 AM
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Perhaps we should mandate every game of every sport must end in a tie. Then we don't have this messy competition stuff in the way.

Or maybe the other team might want to watch tape and see if they can get something to stop that kind of scoring.

2012-11-27 10:34 AM
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I have no issues with the scoring itself.  But I do agree about running up the score.  Beating someone by 75 proves what?  To me it's a respect thing.  As a coach, I would have a difficult time congratulating another Coach for running up the score.  
2012-11-27 10:35 AM
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1stTimeTri - 2012-11-27 10:29 AM

Old school respect still isn't old, IMHO.

I guess it all depends on the coach's and the players' mentality and how the game is being taught/brought up/played nowadays.  But, if it happened to their team and that player at a much bigger school and they/he got outplayed tremendously, would they/he feel the same?

Like I said, Grinnell plays that way.  No matter who they play.  They would rather outscore you than shut you down. 

And the other team did put up 100+ with one of their players downing 70. 

 



2012-11-27 10:39 AM
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Report from a few years ago on their style.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/127759-systems-check-checking-in-on-the-system-at-grinnell

One year they AVERAGED 126 points per game.  That was their friggen average.

2012-11-27 10:40 AM
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crowny2 - 2012-11-27 11:35 AM

Like I said, Grinnell plays that way.  No matter who they play.  They would rather outscore you than shut you down. 

I heard a story about the coach recruiting this guy to play with a promise of putting up huge numbers.  I assume everyone they play knows the deal, so it's not like it's one-off showing up of the other team.

 

2012-11-27 11:16 AM
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Pretty sure the game goes for 60 minutes. Why not play the best you can for 60 minutes?

If the other team gets their little feelings hurt perhaps they should HTFU.

2012-11-27 11:21 AM
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That's impressive. If you put 5 players on a court with 1 ball and just ran down the court and scored over and over again with no defense, I bet it would be tough to get to 179 points.

Or for one guy to make 47 x 3 pointers in 60 minutes if he has to play any defense. That's just amazing.
2012-11-27 11:55 AM
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misleading title... :P


2012-11-27 2:10 PM
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crowny2 - 2012-11-27 10:35 AM
1stTimeTri - 2012-11-27 10:29 AM

Old school respect still isn't old, IMHO.

I guess it all depends on the coach's and the players' mentality and how the game is being taught/brought up/played nowadays.  But, if it happened to their team and that player at a much bigger school and they/he got outplayed tremendously, would they/he feel the same?

Like I said, Grinnell plays that way.  No matter who they play.  They would rather outscore you than shut you down. 

And the other team did put up 100+ with one of their players downing 70. 

 

I think they should play a Pro team and see how it feels.  RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!

2012-11-27 2:15 PM
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DanielG - 2012-11-27 10:32 AM

Perhaps we should mandate every game of every sport must end in a tie. Then we don't have this messy competition stuff in the way.

Or maybe the other team might want to watch tape and see if they can get something to stop that kind of scoring.



But will we all get ribbons and/or trophys and certificates after????

2012-11-27 2:15 PM
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GomesBolt - 2012-11-27 11:21 AM That's impressive. If you put 5 players on a court with 1 ball and just ran down the court and scored over and over again with no defense, I bet it would be tough to get to 179 points.

Or for one guy to make 47 x 3 pointers in 60 minutes if he has to play any defense. That's just amazing.

The local paper said he shot the ball evey 20 seconds is what it averaged out to be. My shoulder would fall off shooting thatmany times.

2012-11-27 2:18 PM
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I wish I could see some video of this game.  do they even guard the 3point shooter?  why not just play 4 on 4 and have someone guard him the whole time even on offense.

In high school I know one school that used a  4 guard offense.  You run down shoot a 3 pointer even on a fast break.  4 guards around the 3 point line and 1 center to rebound.  They might full court pressed the whole time.  That is not that uncommon thing to do. 

2012-11-27 2:20 PM
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Aarondb4 - 2012-11-27 9:16 AM

Pretty sure the game goes for 60 minutes. Why not play the best you can for 60 minutes?

If the other team gets their little feelings hurt perhaps they should HTFU.

Exactly



2012-11-27 2:56 PM
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They let a 5'-10" white guy score 138?  Somebody play some defense!  Box in one.  Four guys play zone and one guy stay on the scorer.
2012-11-27 3:00 PM
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ttuna - 2012-11-27 3:56 PM  Box in one. 

There are other solutions: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kr24G8jQpM&feature=fvwrel

 

 

2012-11-27 3:04 PM
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joestop74 - 2012-11-27 2:20 PM
Aarondb4 - 2012-11-27 9:16 AM

Pretty sure the game goes for 60 minutes. Why not play the best you can for 60 minutes?

If the other team gets their little feelings hurt perhaps they should HTFU.

Exactly

This is a college basketball progam not a 10 and under rec league.  I agree. Play your best

2012-11-27 3:05 PM
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I'm not going to give any input other than I DID see some clips on SportCenter...

They were guarding the kid (if you call it that).  But he was on automatic.  He was even chucking/forcing shots with three guys on him and they were falling.

They also said they were trying to get him the record.  So they would kick it back out to him after any miss and always give him the ball to shoot right away.

I would keep an eye open if I was that kid.  There could be guys that say "he's not going to do that to US" and some hard fouls could be coming his way.

2012-11-27 8:40 PM
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I agree with you, Daniel, someone drops 100 points on you, you need to look in the mirror and work on your D. But, on the other hand,  the other guys better NEVER, EVER complain about what legally happens to them. Sometimes when a guy has a break-away layup in a blowout, there's an unwritten rule to let him have the layup, since it won't likely affect the outcome of the game.  Not in this case-dude's scoring a lot of points on me, he's getting hit, he's getting hard, and he's getting hit often (within the boundaries of the game- I'm NOT ADVOCATING CHEAP SHOTS, SO PLEASE DON'T ACCUSE ME OF THAT).   


2012-11-28 6:44 AM
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Leegoocrap - 2012-11-27 5:55 PM misleading title... :P

Yep I was completely expecting this to be about some other kind of "scoring"

2012-11-28 9:08 AM
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1stTimeTri - 2012-11-27 10:29 AM

Old school respect still isn't old, IMHO.

I guess it all depends on the coach's and the players' mentality and how the game is being taught/brought up/played nowadays.  But, if it happened to their team and that player at a much bigger school and they/he got outplayed tremendously, would they/he feel the same?

You mean old school respect like the 1916 Cumberland vs Georgia Tech Football score of 0-222?

Or how about in 1963, Loyola set the NCAA tournament record for largest margin of victory (69 points) with a 111-42 victory over Tennessee Tech in the first round?

Or how about in 1927 Haven High School (KS) beat Slyvia High School (KS) 256-0?

You mean THAT old school?  Are you saying that they should have done more and he should have gone for 150? 

2012-11-28 12:55 PM
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ried0428 - 2012-11-27 8:40 PM I agree with you, Daniel, someone drops 100 points on you, you need to look in the mirror and work on your D. But, on the other hand,  the other guys better NEVER, EVER complain about what legally happens to them. Sometimes when a guy has a break-away layup in a blowout, there's an unwritten rule to let him have the layup, since it won't likely affect the outcome of the game.  Not in this case-dude's scoring a lot of points on me, he's getting hit, he's getting hard, and he's getting hit often (within the boundaries of the game- I'm NOT ADVOCATING CHEAP SHOTS, SO PLEASE DON'T ACCUSE ME OF THAT).   

Are we talking about hockey or basketball?

2012-11-28 9:34 PM
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I recall that the Grinnell offensive strategy started years ago as an innovative strategy to take large, losing team of slow, short kids and give them a chance at winning.  So they developed a true run-and-gun offense where you only take a quick 3 or a quick lay-up, but never a set offense.

They play so fast they have to substitute 5 at a time very frequently so they catch their breath. They play little defense because they don't want to slow the game down.  The strategy really force the other teams out of their comfort zone.

FWIW, Grinnell is a non-scholarship DIII college that attracts some pretty bright kids.  It's not as if they have a lot of basketball talent.  They're not ranked in the top 25 in DIII.  They lose plenty of games.  I think it's great to see a bunch of smart, low-talent players playing way above their ability level.  The kid who scored 138 is having the time of his life.  Surely he's playing at Grinnell because the big schools didn't want him!

That being said, the other team scored over 100 points so I bet they had a lot of fun while losing by 75.  

Brian

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