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2013-01-10 3:14 PM

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There is a whole lot "off" here...

a) why on EARTH did the woman flee to an ATTIC crawl space with 2 9 year old children vs leaving the house through another door/window if someone using crowbar on front door
b) why did she call her husband and not 911 (he called 911)?
c) does this smell fishy to anyone other than I?

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/10/16449815-911-tape-shoot-...


2013-01-10 3:17 PM
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Why does she have to flee her house?

Why did the intruder go after her and her kids in the attic?

Why didn't the police arrive in time?

2013-01-10 3:21 PM
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powerman - 2013-01-10 3:17 PM

Why does she have to flee her house?

Why did the intruder go after her and her kids in the attic?

Why didn't the police arrive in time?



Agreed. Why didn't she call the police? They would've been there sooner had she called them instead of her husband. Very strange indeed.
2013-01-10 3:29 PM
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Agreed, Tony. I'm thinking she knew the intruder, knew what he was after (drugs? money? revenge?) or why he was there. Hence why she called the husband. I'd try to run OUT and call 911! What's a person who isn't 911 going to do?
2013-01-10 3:29 PM
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powerman - 2013-01-10 4:17 PM

Why does she have to flee her house?

Why did the intruder go after her and her kids in the attic?

Why didn't the police arrive in time?



she shouldn't have too, but how the heck do you get out of the ATTIC?????if someone is breaking in my house I shoot him as he comes in the front door or I GET OUT (not backed into a corner)

A good question - why DID he persue them? ie something more to the story

who knows? Maybe if she called them first vs hubby they would have - how long would it take PD to respond to your house?
2013-01-10 3:36 PM
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wwlani - 2013-01-10 3:29 PM

powerman - 2013-01-10 4:17 PM

Why does she have to flee her house?

Why did the intruder go after her and her kids in the attic?

Why didn't the police arrive in time?



she shouldn't have too, but how the heck do you get out of the ATTIC?????if someone is breaking in my house I shoot him as he comes in the front door or I GET OUT (not backed into a corner)

A good question - why DID he persue them? ie something more to the story

who knows? Maybe if she called them first vs hubby they would have - how long would it take PD to respond to your house?


Seriously! Hasn't she seen any slasher flicks?


2013-01-10 3:40 PM
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I am not sure everyone thinks clearly in that type of situation. I can think of all sorts of ways that a parent ends up hiding in an awkward spot with children. If you are by your self then that is one thing, but if you got to grab the kids, no telling where you might end up.

Same with calling the husband, although that is a bit stranger, but then again, maybe not thinking straight, I can see it happening. Is it possible she was on the phone prior to the person breaking in.
2013-01-10 3:40 PM
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mr2tony - 2013-01-10 1:36 PM
wwlani - 2013-01-10 3:29 PM
powerman - 2013-01-10 4:17 PM

Why does she have to flee her house?

Why did the intruder go after her and her kids in the attic?

Why didn't the police arrive in time?

she shouldn't have too, but how the heck do you get out of the ATTIC?????if someone is breaking in my house I shoot him as he comes in the front door or I GET OUT (not backed into a corner) A good question - why DID he persue them? ie something more to the story who knows? Maybe if she called them first vs hubby they would have - how long would it take PD to respond to your house?
Seriously! Hasn't she seen any slasher flicks?

Come on, you know you can never run away in slasher flicks.

I need Mike Meyers training plan.  Somehow, he can keep up with a sprinting topless chick even with his slow methodical plodding technique

2013-01-10 3:49 PM
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it's easy for us to sit in our chair and ask why she did or didn't do something.  but the reality is, very few people know exactly what the will do when someone breaks into their house.  you don't know how you will react under that kind of pressure, much less how someone else will react.  you don't know how the house is laid out and if the crawl space is something her husband has drilled in her head to retreat to if this happens, where she and her kids were located when it happend and if a back door wasn't close by after she wrangled up her kids, and you don't know how fast or slow the intruder was moving.  you don't know if whoever wrote the article did't sway it so it seemed like they knew for sure the intruder decided to shift his focus from burglery to something else.  maybe 911 in her city doesn't pick up the phone like detriot, or houston sometimes, and that's why she called the husband. 

maybe she did know the intruder, who knows and who cares.  but bottom line is...she and he kids ended up much better than they could have ended up.  be happy about that, not doubtful.

2013-01-10 3:57 PM
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antlimon166 - 2013-01-10 1:49 PM

it's easy for us to sit in our chair and ask why she did or didn't do something.  but the reality is, very few people know exactly what the will do when someone breaks into their house.  you don't know how you will react under that kind of pressure, much less how someone else will react.  you don't know how the house is laid out and if the crawl space is something her husband has drilled in her head to retreat to if this happens, where she and her kids were located when it happend and if a back door wasn't close by after she wrangled up her kids, and you don't know how fast or slow the intruder was moving.  you don't know if whoever wrote the article did't sway it so it seemed like they knew for sure the intruder decided to shift his focus from burglery to something else.  maybe 911 in her city doesn't pick up the phone like detriot, or houston sometimes, and that's why she called the husband. 

maybe she did know the intruder, who knows and who cares.  but bottom line is...she and he kids ended up much better than they could have ended up.  be happy about that, not doubtful.

But we all stayed at a Holiday Inn Express...

I think armchair quarterbacking is as American as Apple pie though.

2013-01-10 4:07 PM
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He came in the door by crowbar, he seen a 9 yer old and chased after her.  He kept coming, they retreated.  Perhaps she did not run out her back door because her first concern was getting her children protected.  Maybe she was already on the phone with her husband, maybe he is a one button push to call him.

The only thing wrong here is she must be using the wrong ammo, the guy is still alive



2013-01-10 5:29 PM
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There are currently 3 guns in my upstairs bedroom, none on the ground level at this moment in time. My back yard is completely fenced in with nowhere to go but over a 6 foot fence, I don't have kids but if I did their bedrooms would be upstairs.

So someone makes it clear they are coming in uninvited, where do you think I am going to go?

2013-01-10 5:34 PM
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I doubt there is anything wrong with the story except the reporting.....that's pretty standard and the best place to look when something "seems fishy".  

Sure, sometimes a story IS fishy....but overwhelmingly you'll be right if you just figure some idiot reporter left out a major component of the story.

I'm glad her and her kids are OK and that the idiot burglar is shot.  What we need in this country are more shot idiot burglars!

2013-01-10 5:38 PM
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This story only shows she needed a larger caliber weapon because 5 bullets (9 mm) in the bad guy wasn't enough.
2013-01-10 5:39 PM
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Iowaman - 2013-01-10 5:38 PM This story only shows she needed a larger caliber weapon because 5 bullets (9 mm) in the bad guy wasn't enough.

When I saw he was alive I thought, "I bet she had a 9mm or a .380"....but then I saw a story that said .38 revolver.  Did you see something different?

2013-01-10 6:25 PM
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a) perhaps the gun was located close to the attic crawl space entrance?  perhaps she feared an accomplice was entering through another house entry?

b)like someone mentioned earlier, perhaps there was something she didn't want the cops knowing?  A good % of home invasions involve illegal activity in the home.

c)it doesn't smell fishy to me...and it's too bad the intruder wasn't killed.



2013-01-11 7:32 AM
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This occured about 8 miles from where I live.  The kids were upstairs, she was down.  The gun was in the bedroom, in a top shelf closet.  She retreated upstairs....to her kids  It was not an "attic" in the roof as one would think, it was more or less a upstairs side space.  Her husband had just showed her how to use the gun, she freaked and called him first about how to use the gun again, a 38 revolver.  The guy heard her on the phone and found them, she shot him 5 times and ran out of the house with her 2 9 y/o kids. Yes the reporting was terrible but I suppose since she probably saved her and her 2 kids lives it has to be questioned. 

I ask you this, under the same duress, what the would you have done different?  It's easy to armchair qb this, with time to think it out.  Run out and leave your kids?  Talk him out of the house?  She did exactly what any mother would have done when she was scared to death and feared for her kids.  Her only problem is that she had a low powered weapon and ran out of bullets.



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antlimon166 - 2013-01-10 3:49 PM

it's easy for us to sit in our chair and ask why she did or didn't do something.  but the reality is, very few people know exactly what the will do when someone breaks into their house.  you don't know how you will react under that kind of pressure, much less how someone else will react.  

This.

Has anyone responding to this thread either been assaulted or found someone in their house?

I went jogging one morning and returned back to my house at 6 AM and I had left the garage door open.  There was a guy in my garage between me and my family.

Until you have been there, you do not know what you will do.  I got him out of my house and then called the cops.  They took 45 minutes to show up.

I am a 235 pound guy and my family was on the other side of him.  The person in the referenced article was a mom with two small children.

2013-01-11 1:43 PM
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Reading this story, I got an overwhelming sense of more "anti-gun" propaganda.  

For starters:  The intruder is not the victim.  The homeowner is.  That needs to be cleared up right away.  

It is also important to note that in some neighborhoods, you can order a pizza and have it delivered faster than police respond.  Granted, this is a suburban area...but it is important to note.

Why did she call her husband?  Probably because her husband knew where the gun was.  A 30 second "Where's the gun?" is much faster than a 5-minute 911 call.

Why did he tell her to shoot?  Probably because she is like my wife.

We were driving on the freeway one night.  Very drunk driver in front of us.  Swerving, speed changing, the whole gig.  He went off the road a couple of times and almost sideswiped cars coming back on.  My wife was paralized.  I gave my phone to her to call 911.  She just sat there staring.  "Call 911 Right NOW!" ....nothing... "Call them.  They are going to kill somebody!"  Then I had the first moment that I had to yell at my wife to do something.  It wasn't her fault...that is just how she reacted in the moment.

It is a very interesting situation...but nothing too wierd.

 

 

2013-01-11 2:06 PM
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I have always advised my wife to grab the shotgun and retreat with the kids to a closet, which is the same thing I would do.  Reason being is it creates a natural choke point for the intruder.  He has to come through that 30" wide opening to get to them/us and with a 12 ga. shotgun at max range of 6', well lets just say its going to be hard to miss.  That's the great thing about shotguns is they don't take a great deal of skill, like digital cameras you just point and shoot.

 

2013-01-11 2:17 PM
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I think the only information that they missed is what kind of gun the husband bought her to replace her pea shooter. She needs a bigger gun next time!



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hrliles - 2013-01-11 5:32 AM

This occured about 8 miles from where I live.  The kids were upstairs, she was down.  The gun was in the bedroom, in a top shelf closet.  She retreated upstairs....to her kids  It was not an "attic" in the roof as one would think, it was more or less a upstairs side space.  Her husband had just showed her how to use the gun, she freaked and called him first about how to use the gun again, a 38 revolver.  The guy heard her on the phone and found them, she shot him 5 times and ran out of the house with her 2 9 y/o kids. Yes the reporting was terrible but I suppose since she probably saved her and her 2 kids lives it has to be questioned. 

I ask you this, under the same duress, what the would you have done different?  It's easy to armchair qb this, with time to think it out.  Run out and leave your kids?  Talk him out of the house?  She did exactly what any mother would have done when she was scared to death and feared for her kids.  Her only problem is that she had a low powered weapon and ran out of bullets.

That right there is what I haven't gotten in the articles I'd read up through yesterday afternoon. No way in Hades am I leaving the house with my kids upstairs, nor am I going to retreat to them unprotected if I have a choice.

Is there any media source getting the story right yet?

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4agoodlife - 2013-01-11 4:56 PM
hrliles - 2013-01-11 5:32 AM

This occured about 8 miles from where I live.  The kids were upstairs, she was down.  The gun was in the bedroom, in a top shelf closet.  She retreated upstairs....to her kids  It was not an "attic" in the roof as one would think, it was more or less a upstairs side space.  Her husband had just showed her how to use the gun, she freaked and called him first about how to use the gun again, a 38 revolver.  The guy heard her on the phone and found them, she shot him 5 times and ran out of the house with her 2 9 y/o kids. Yes the reporting was terrible but I suppose since she probably saved her and her 2 kids lives it has to be questioned. 

I ask you this, under the same duress, what the would you have done different?  It's easy to armchair qb this, with time to think it out.  Run out and leave your kids?  Talk him out of the house?  She did exactly what any mother would have done when she was scared to death and feared for her kids.  Her only problem is that she had a low powered weapon and ran out of bullets.

That right there is what I haven't gotten in the articles I'd read up through yesterday afternoon. No way in Hades am I leaving the house with my kids upstairs, nor am I going to retreat to them unprotected if I have a choice.

Is there any media source getting the story right yet?

By this time they're working on getting the next story wrong.

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About phone the husband ....   I was in the line up at the bank one day and got a phone call from my husband saying " I was just in an accident, I need you to call 911".  His first instinct was to call me.  I told him to hang up and call 911 from where he was.  Adrenaline can mess up your thinking.
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mr2tony - 2013-01-10 1:21 PM
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Why does she have to flee her house?

Why did the intruder go after her and her kids in the attic?

Why didn't the police arrive in time?

Agreed. Why didn't she call the police? They would've been there sooner had she called them instead of her husband. Very strange indeed.

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