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2009-07-13 11:41 AM

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Sad to hear.

http://www.wisn.com/cnn-news/20033075/detail.html

Sounds like they got to him as quickly as possible tho...


2009-07-13 11:47 AM
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Very sad indeed.
2009-07-13 12:04 PM
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RIP

Unfortunatly, I think with the growing popularity of the sport, you will see more.  Although I honestly hope not.
2009-07-13 12:08 PM
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Yikes! This is awful.
2009-07-13 12:11 PM
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People really need to make sure they can handle something as strenuous as a tri (especially the swim portion) before they jump in and do it.  Too many people in this sport neglect to see a doctor before doing their first tri and maintaining yearly physicals while participating.  Frown
2009-07-13 12:11 PM
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Sorry to hear it and my condolences go out to family and friends.

Be safe out there people.



2009-07-13 12:15 PM
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Unfortunately, as long as just anyone can sign up for a Tri and do it, I don't think this problem will go away. I think open water swimming is one of the most underestimated things on the planet in terms of the combination of physical demand and anxiety-provoking potential...
2009-07-13 12:23 PM
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Yikes....very Sad...!!!

So Sorry to his family....

2009-07-13 12:28 PM
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DrPete - 2009-07-13 12:15 PM Unfortunately, as long as just anyone can sign up for a Tri and do it, I don't think this problem will go away. I think open water swimming is one of the most underestimated things on the planet in terms of the combination of physical demand and anxiety-provoking potential...


agreed.... when tired on a bike you can slow down, on the run you can walk.   To me there is a Huge difference in swimming a half mile in a pool vs swimming the same distance and being in open water with people.

Still it's sad.
2009-07-13 12:39 PM
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It sounds like he had something going on... I'm sure the autopsy will tell the full story... they got to him as fast as humanly possible! It's sad that he died, but it also shows how much the RD's take our safety into consideration while we're out there! I wonder how many people get SAVED that way, and don't die, and we don't hear about it!

My heart goes out to him & his family & friends... RIP
2009-07-13 1:21 PM
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rach_1623 - 2009-07-13 12:11 PM People really need to make sure they can handle something as strenuous as a tri (especially the swim portion) before they jump in and do it.  Too many people in this sport neglect to see a doctor before doing their first tri and maintaining yearly physicals while participating.  Frown


My yearly physical consists of the nurse taking my blood pressure and some blood for a cholesterol check and some sort of test to check for the start of diabetes.  Then the doctor comes in for exactly three minutes, reads the nurses notes and then promptly heads out to the front office to submit the billing slip to her support staff so that they are aware that I am to be billed about $600. 

If there is some health hazzard ticking away inside me, there isn't much chance she is going to catch it before there is a crisis. 

I think that with the state of healthcare today, until someone has a serious health episode, there is no real guidance or relationship with a health provider.  Unfortunately sometimes that first serious health episode happens at a particularly dangerous time...like in the middle of a lake, or driving down the highway. 


2009-07-13 1:24 PM
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It's interesting, my doc told me she doesn't think anyone should be doing tris wthout a cardiac workup (due to circumstances beyond my control, I was fortunate enough to get a full workup, at least I know my heart is fine...  my lungs, on the other hand....)

I understand the sentiment.  But I don't know anyone who has or would do that

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2009-07-13 1:39 PM
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Here in Mich. where we're surrounded by bodies of water large and small, we have many recreational drownings every year.  In the summer, it's an almost weekly local news headline.  I don't think the risk of open water is specific to tris.  Doing any water sports or even just casual boating and swimming are risky for people who have pre-existing conditions of which they are aware or unaware.  Not to say this article is biased, but it bothers me when these heartbreaking incidents cast negativity onto the sport of triathlon.

2009-07-13 1:44 PM
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Granted, I'm still 6 days away from my first event; however I'm not surprised this doesn't happen more often.

Last summer, I drove my 3 year-old daughter to her swim lesson.  To kill time, I decided I'd get in a nice workout swimming some laps while she took her lessons.  It had been about 25 years (and 100 pounds) since the last time I'd attempted to swim laps.

At the 25M mark, I thought to myself, that was tough.  Halfway through my second length of the pool, I about needed to signal a lifeguard for help.  It was pretty eye-opening and a bit scarey. 

I can see how someone might blow off the swim portion as it makes up such a small percentage of the overall day.  But as others have mentioned above, you can't slow down or walk in the middle of the lake should you suddenly find yourself in trouble.

I wonder how long before USAT requires a water safety/certification course prior to participating in one of their events?

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2009-07-13 2:04 PM
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DrPete - 2009-07-13 1:15 PM Unfortunately, as long as just anyone can sign up for a Tri and do it, I don't think this problem will go away. I think open water swimming is one of the most underestimated things on the planet in terms of the combination of physical demand and anxiety-provoking potential...

well put and I agree totally....

 



2009-07-13 2:09 PM
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In most drowning cases it has to do with a pre-existing condition that is either not known by the participant or simply ignored. Or at least in the sport of Triathlon because jumping in that open water for the first time can be shocking and scary with everyone else around you.

It seems in the instance the guy just wasn't ready, he was holding a boat, then a life vest before going under. It appears he was just tired but that can also be caused by panic or being exhausted to where he was just too tired to hold on. Obviously this is all just speculation and we won't find out till an autopsy is performed weather he had an underlying condition.

In any case it is a very sad event and an awful way to die. My condolences to his family but hopefully this will also count as a warning to those unprepared or new athletes to train better and/or get your heart checked out!

Shanks

2009-07-13 2:29 PM
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Very sad

Unfortunately there's one's like this we don't hear, and many more that are prevented. What a sad event too.
2009-07-13 2:35 PM
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jessm - 2009-07-13 11:21 AM
rach_1623 - 2009-07-13 12:11 PM People really need to make sure they can handle something as strenuous as a tri (especially the swim portion) before they jump in and do it.  Too many people in this sport neglect to see a doctor before doing their first tri and maintaining yearly physicals while participating.  Frown


My yearly physical consists of the nurse taking my blood pressure and some blood for a cholesterol check and some sort of test to check for the start of diabetes.  Then the doctor comes in for exactly three minutes, reads the nurses notes and then promptly heads out to the front office to submit the billing slip to her support staff so that they are aware that I am to be billed about $600. 

If there is some health hazzard ticking away inside me, there isn't much chance she is going to catch it before there is a crisis. 

I think that with the state of healthcare today, until someone has a serious health episode, there is no real guidance or relationship with a health provider.  Unfortunately sometimes that first serious health episode happens at a particularly dangerous time...like in the middle of a lake, or driving down the highway. 


Wow you need to find a different doctor! My doctor, for my first appointment, spent about 25+ minutes with me (more than what the nurse spent) and on subsequent visits he spends time enough with me to find out what is going on, if I have any concerns, or if anything weird is going on. He is a nice guy to boot. Heck he was surprised on my first visit that a 25 year old guy was establishing care with a PCP to get a physical. He told me unless you get sick or something happens I will see you in 2-3 years because I was healthy enough to not need one annually. 

Healthcare may be messed up you are right, but a doctor should still be able to spend time with their patients and get to know them. (and I live in Seattle so it is not like my doctor is a small town family doc...) Granted though working in Healthcare myself I was aware of what to look for in picking my doctors office/doctor/and how to establish care to start with.

The drowning is very sad. I am sending prayers to the grieving family of this man and the rescuers who attempted to help him.
2009-07-13 2:59 PM
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This person, Daniel Murry, entered the water about four waves ahead of me on Sunday. We all heard the ambulance (which was there in record time) and saw the activity. It was about 100 yards from the start line. I don't believe he was wearing a wetsuit. Actually, it appears that he may have been a bit heavy, unable to fit into a wetsuit. It was his first-ever triathlon. This race is well-known in the Milwaukee tri community for being a large "first timers" event. Hell, it was my first in 2005.

The number of boats and lifeguards in the water during the entire swim was greater than at any other triathlon I have EVER seen. Plenty of help. The first person to the rescue was a firefighter who came out to volunteer in his own kayak.

An autopsy is being perfromed today. His page is still up on Facebook and his friends are leaving rememberances. By all accounts he was a great person who was trying to get in shape and better himself. A tragic end to a good life.

R.I.P.


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jessm - 2009-07-13 2:21 PM
rach_1623 - 2009-07-13 12:11 PM People really need to make sure they can handle something as strenuous as a tri (especially the swim portion) before they jump in and do it.  Too many people in this sport neglect to see a doctor before doing their first tri and maintaining yearly physicals while participating.  Frown


My yearly physical consists of the nurse taking my blood pressure and some blood for a cholesterol check and some sort of test to check for the start of diabetes.  Then the doctor comes in for exactly three minutes, reads the nurses notes and then promptly heads out to the front office to submit the billing slip to her support staff so that they are aware that I am to be billed about $600. 

If there is some health hazzard ticking away inside me, there isn't much chance she is going to catch it before there is a crisis. 

I think that with the state of healthcare today, until someone has a serious health episode, there is no real guidance or relationship with a health provider.  Unfortunately sometimes that first serious health episode happens at a particularly dangerous time...like in the middle of a lake, or driving down the highway. 

You definitely need to be your own advocate when it comes to your healthcare.  We, as patients, can't just expect physicians to ask the questions, we need to do our own poking and proding with them to determine the best course of action when it comes to our healthcare. Its the same whether you are healthy and going in for a check-up or sick and going in with symptoms.  If you don't like how your doctor responds to your questions, definitely find a new one.  Its a sad state of affairs, but it is, what it is. 



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mandsberry - 2009-07-13 11:44 AM


I wonder how long before USAT requires a water safety/certification course prior to participating in one of their events?



I did a 10K in Lyon, France, in 2001 and had to have a note from my doctor saying that I was physically able to participate in a 10K before I could register.   (The note was illegible and in English, so I don't think they actually looked at it.)   I am looking at doing Ironman France in 2010 and unless you belong to one of their clubs or organizations or whatever (and I don't), there is a whole form that my doctor will have to fill out and sign before I will be allowed to sign up.  I don't really have a problem with any of that for triathlons or ironman races, but I do know that no one would do any 10Ks if they had to get a doctor's note before participating.  Whether THAT is a good thing or not is for someone else to decide. 



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2009-07-13 9:26 PM
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LeahDD - 2009-07-13 3:11 PM
mandsberry - 2009-07-13 11:44 AM


I wonder how long before USAT requires a water safety/certification course prior to participating in one of their events?



I did a 10K in Lyon, France, in 2001 and had to have a note from my doctor saying that I was physically able to participate in a 10K before I could register. 



In this day and age of aggressive litigiousness I just don't see a lot of doctors writing such a note without a very complete ($$$) workup.  I can see plaintiff's Exhibit 1 now...
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poor guy - he had worked so hard to even get to the point he was at - I wish things would have been different for him. He was attempting to do what we all try to do - better ourselves. He paid for it unfairly.

RIP.
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