Does a 2012 Cervelo P2 fit?
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I dropped by the LBS today and looked at the new 2012 Cervelo P2. I'm in the market for an entry level carbon tri bike. I REALLY, REALLY, like the new bike. However, I was recently fit (as recommended by many of the users of this site) for a tri bike on the Serotta bike. The fitter recommended the Specialized Transistion or the Blue SP (based upon my budget and stack and reach). I have relatively long legs, a short torso, and not very flexible. According to the fitter, the ideal bike will have a stack of 54 and reach of 38.5. The height difference between the seat and bars was 9cm on the Serotta when adjusted to a very comfortable position. (if that makes a difference) According to the salesperson, the 2012 P2 comes with 2 seat positions (which could accommodate my reach) and the aero bars are highly adjustable (unlike the 2011 models) Is the salesperson being honest with me? Or, is he just taking advantage of my limited knowledge on the subject matter? Would it be stupid to buy the bike when the fitter is recommending other models? The fitter also said the Trek Speedconcept can be tweaked to fit me as well. The fitter is associated with a LBS that sells specialized and treks. Is the geometry of the speedconcept and P2 that different? I don't want to make an emotional buying decision. I really like the P2, but if it doesn't fit me I will be wasting my money. Thanks in advanced for your input!
Edited by NewbieTri100 2011-08-15 11:44 PM |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() http://www.slowtwitch.com/stackreach.html There is a list of the geometries of the bikes. A 56cm P2 is 53.1/42.9 or 51.2/41.8 for a 54 I'm far from a fitter but the Blue sounds the closest to 54/38.5 to me. 51.2 41.8 |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Why do you like the Cervelo so much? Brand name, color, any other reason? Don't get me wrong, Cervelo makes some very nice bikes, but as with any bike, only buy it if it fits YOU, not if you can be made to fit the bike (too many compromises that should be avoided if at all possible). Unless you have some great reasons why this Cervelo needs to be your new bike, I would say go with your fitters recommendation. Blue seems to be a very good fit for you and they do make very good bike as well. |
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![]() | ![]() Shoot! I was just in Houston yesterday...Anyway, I'm just curious about the p2- I heard the price got bumped up 400 and the changed the bars. Anything else significant? Is the paint even the same as 2011?Oh and IMO fit fit fit is what matters but get the bike you love because you are going to ride it more than one you just like. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Fit matters a great deal, and possibly more on a tri bike than on a road bike. If the fit is slightly off, it can make it a whole lot more uncomfortable to ride your bike. So you'll ride less, and ride slower. I recently got a professional fit for the first time, and I have been amazed at the difference that apparently very small adjustments make. |
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Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Sometimes people on this board make it seem like you can actually find out the answer to your question. In reality...it is VERY difficult to determine which bike fits you better. It is like putting on 10 different pairs of jeans and trying to determine the circumferential difference in each one. Even if a bike DOES fit you for a particular purpose (less aggressive and relaxed) it may not fit you perfectly another position as well (dropped down, aggressive, etc). A good fitter can get you feeling "pretty" good on almost any bike that can be adjusted. For this reason it is very difficult to determine whether the one bike is "pretty" good and another is "even prettier" good. lol. When I got to the point where I felt great on either bike I just looked at price, brand, color, the shop who was selling it etc. Even professional athletes are consistently tweaking their fit and bikes etc. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 1. The LBS is right in saying that Cervelo frames are better suited to long torso / short legs 2. Modern bike frames / componenents are very adjustable. You can make pretty much any frame fit any person as long as the frame size is fairly close. 3. Cervelo P2 is hardly an 'entry level' tri bike. 4. The P2 is a wonderful bike. Its like the Porshe 911 - a timeless classic that still outperforms most modern up-and-commers. (I'm biased - I ride a 2009 P2) 5. The Trek and Specialized make excellent Tribikes and I would not get hung up on the Cervelo brand. if I found a well fitting Speedconcept or Transition at a great price, I'd be riding that. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() My fitter recommended a P2 for me. I Iave long legs and short torso. I wanted a P3 or P4 which has a more aggressive geometry. I was told the P2 was a better fit for long legs short torso and not such a long and low bike like the P3 or P4. I had them set me up with a P4. They used the forward most seat position and a crazy amount of spacers to raise the aero bars. Over that season I kept dropping spacers to a more reasonable level and got comfortable with it. So, for me I was glad I had the option of being able to get lower on the bike later. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Cnort12 - 2011-08-16 7:28 AM Shoot! I was just in Houston yesterday...Anyway, I'm just curious about the p2- I heard the price got bumped up 400 and the changed the bars. Anything else significant? Is the paint even the same as 2011?Oh and IMO fit fit fit is what matters but get the bike you love because you are going to ride it more than one you just like.
Aside from the new bars, I read/heard that the bump is passing along additional costs due to the weak $ raising the manufacturing cost. Instead of bumping the existing 2011 price, they are tacking it on the 2012. |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Aspiring - 2011-08-16 11:24 AM Aside from the new bars, I read/heard that the bump is passing along additional costs due to the weak $ raising the manufacturing cost. Instead of bumping the existing 2011 price, they are tacking it on the 2012. that has to be the case, as well as more expensive raw input prices. i have the 2011 P2 and just looked at the specs for the 2012, all the same...doesn't even mention the bars difference.
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Meulen - 2011-08-16 7:08 AM My fitter recommended a P2 for me. I Iave long legs and short torso. I wanted a P3 or P4 which has a more aggressive geometry. I was told the P2 was a better fit for long legs short torso and not such a long and low bike like the P3 or P4. I had them set me up with a P4. They used the forward most seat position and a crazy amount of spacers to raise the aero bars. Over that season I kept dropping spacers to a more reasonable level and got comfortable with it. So, for me I was glad I had the option of being able to get lower on the bike later. Almost the same thing for myself (also P4). I have long legs so I don't particularly agree with the statement that Cervelos are "better for long torsos / short legs". Maybe in the UCI-legal saddle position, but that's true for all bikes. A lot of the issues of saddle -> bar drop and reach are easily addressed by selecting the proper size frame. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() axteraa - 2011-08-16 4:34 AM http://www.slowtwitch.com/stackreach.html There is a list of the geometries of the bikes. A 56cm P2 is 53.1/42.9 or 51.2/41.8 for a 54 I'm far from a fitter but the Blue sounds the closest to 54/38.5 to me. 51.2 41.8 My main concern with the Blue is that there isn't a local dealer so I can't test ride the bike. In fact, I'm hesitant to buy a bike from someplace other than my LBS. I do like the way the Blue bikes look though. Especially, the blue (color, not brand) one. I know red is faster Edited by NewbieTri100 2011-08-16 10:37 PM |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() audiojan - 2011-08-16 4:54 AM Why do you like the Cervelo so much? Brand name, color, any other reason? Don't get me wrong, Cervelo makes some very nice bikes, but as with any bike, only buy it if it fits YOU, not if you can be made to fit the bike (too many compromises that should be avoided if at all possible). Unless you have some great reasons why this Cervelo needs to be your new bike, I would say go with your fitters recommendation. Blue seems to be a very good fit for you and they do make very good bike as well. I'm not particularly caught up in the Cervelo brand. I know they make great bikes but I don't like the idea of having a difficult time finding my bike in T1 among the sea of cervelos. I'm a slow swimmer so I guess most of them will be gone by the time I get to T1 I admit I really like the looks of the P2. I'm probably placing too much emphasis on the aesthetics of the bike. My perception is that the components are better on the P2 then the comparable priced bikes that I'm looking at (Transition Comp & Blue Triad SP). I believe the bars on the 2012 P2 are carbon and the brakes are supposed to be upgraded. The P2 uses Ultegra while the Triad SP and Transition Comp uses Rival. Isn't Rival comparable to 105's? Your point is well taken on making too many compromises and ending up with a bike that doesn't fit or has been tweaked so much that it doesn't handle properly. That's my prime concern with the P2. It's likely I will end up purchasing the Transition. It's a nice looking bike too. Not having a local dealer for the Blue Triad SP is a major drawback to me. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mgalanter - 2011-08-16 8:55 AM 1. The LBS is right in saying that Cervelo frames are better suited to long torso / short legs The LBS is saying that the Cervelo will fit me fine after proper fitting. The fitter is steering me toward the transition because of my stack/reach combination but I don't see that the transition is much better than the P2. The Blue Triad is a different story but no local dealer so I can't even test ride the bike. 2. Modern bike frames / componenents are very adjustable. You can make pretty much any frame fit any person as long as the frame size is fairly close. That's good to know. In determining the frame size, is it more important to match the frame to my stack or reach. I was told by the fitter that the reach is more important because the seat can be adjusted. 3. Cervelo P2 is hardly an 'entry level' tri bike. I interested in a entry level "carbon" bike with from a reputable brand. Should I be looking at other models than I'm currently considering? I was under the impression that the P2, Traid SP, and Transition Comp were entry level carbon bikes. 4. The P2 is a wonderful bike. Its like the Porshe 911 - a timeless classic that still outperforms most modern up-and-commers. (I'm biased - I ride a 2009 P2) I'm jealous. 5. The Trek and Specialized make excellent Tribikes and I would not get hung up on the Cervelo brand. if I found a well fitting Speedconcept or Transition at a great price, I'd be riding that. Thanks for the input. I appreciate it. I know enough to be dangerous. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Bnclev - 2011-08-16 10:54 AM Aspiring - 2011-08-16 11:24 AM Aside from the new bars, I read/heard that the bump is passing along additional costs due to the weak $ raising the manufacturing cost. Instead of bumping the existing 2011 price, they are tacking it on the 2012. that has to be the case, as well as more expensive raw input prices. i have the 2011 P2 and just looked at the specs for the 2012, all the same...doesn't even mention the bars difference.
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Meulen - 2011-08-16 9:08 AM My fitter recommended a P2 for me. I Iave long legs and short torso. I wanted a P3 or P4 which has a more aggressive geometry. I was told the P2 was a better fit for long legs short torso and not such a long and low bike like the P3 or P4. I had them set me up with a P4. They used the forward most seat position and a crazy amount of spacers to raise the aero bars. Over that season I kept dropping spacers to a more reasonable level and got comfortable with it. So, for me I was glad I had the option of being able to get lower on the bike later. How's your flexibility? That's another factor for me. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() axteraa - 2011-08-16 4:34 AM http://www.slowtwitch.com/stackreach.html There is a list of the geometries of the bikes. A 56cm P2 is 53.1/42.9 or 51.2/41.8 for a 54 I'm far from a fitter but the Blue sounds the closest to 54/38.5 to me. 51.2 41.8 The fitter is recommending that I purchase a medium Transition (stack=51.6, reach=39.5) She said that both are important, but the reach needs to be pretty close. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() NewbieTri100 - 2011-08-17 12:44 AM The fitter is recommending that I purchase a medium Transition (stack=51.6, reach=39.5) She said that both are important, but the reach needs to be pretty close. She's right. The length is harder to adjust than the height. And it's easier to add length than to take it away. I recently bought a 2011 P2. It's certainly a very nice bike, though I'm still getting used to riding it. I have short-ish legs and a long torso, which is not so great for triathlon, though it turns out to be convenient for fitting a P2. The fitter was able to extend the reach slightly by replacing the Cervelo stem with a longer one nabbed from a Cannondale. It sounds like with your dimensions it could be tough to fit you to a P2. Don't worry - you're going to end up with a very nice ride whatever happens. Give yourself a little time to get used to the new position, but after not very long you can look forward to going a chunk faster than you did before. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() NewbieTri100 - 2011-08-17 1:29 AM How's your flexibility? That's another factor for me. How is your flexibility limiting your fit? Shane |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() NewbieTri100 - 2011-08-16 11:29 PM Meulen - 2011-08-16 9:08 AM My fitter recommended a P2 for me. I Iave long legs and short torso. I wanted a P3 or P4 which has a more aggressive geometry. I was told the P2 was a better fit for long legs short torso and not such a long and low bike like the P3 or P4. I had them set me up with a P4. They used the forward most seat position and a crazy amount of spacers to raise the aero bars. Over that season I kept dropping spacers to a more reasonable level and got comfortable with it. So, for me I was glad I had the option of being able to get lower on the bike later. How's your flexibility? That's another factor for me. It was poor when I bought the bike, but has improved. That's one thing I was able to improve on too fit the bike. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I agree with Colin, above. I ride a 2010 P2, and have relatively short legs and a long torso (my previous swim coach even made fun of it!). Anyway, I am by no means a bike fit expert, but my P2 feels like it fits me very well. From my reading online, particularly the other site, it seems that the P2 is designed for someone of my proportions. You may be better off looking at another brand. But as others have said, there is a lot of customization options, so you may be able to tweak it for you. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() gsmacleod - 2011-08-17 4:38 AM NewbieTri100 - 2011-08-17 1:29 AM How's your flexibility? That's another factor for me. How is your flexibility limiting your fit? ShaneThe fitter said that I'm bending with my upper back and shoulders rather than my lower back. Kinda "hunched back". The fitter also siad my hamstrings were extremely unflexible. I don't know how that affects my fit or if it impacts my ability to go low/aero. Just passing on info from the fitter. Any input that you have Shane will be greatly appreciated. I respect your opinion. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() NewbieTri100 - 2011-08-17 6:45 PM The fitter said that I'm bending with my upper back and shoulders rather than my lower back. Kinda "hunched back". The fitter also siad my hamstrings were extremely unflexible. I don't know how that affects my fit or if it impacts my ability to go low/aero. Just passing on info from the fitter. Any input that you have Shane will be greatly appreciated. I respect your opinion. Flexibility is very rarely an issue when it comes to putting an athlete into an good position on a tribike although it is often given as a reason why an athlete is not in a good position. Rather, the issue is more often that the athlete is on the wrong saddle or unwilling/unable to sit on the saddle in such a way as to put their hips in the proper position. I'm not very flexible (unless I work at it, I can't touch my toes) and this is my position on my tribike: http://www.zoomphoto.ca/viewphoto/12699-103-12246261/2/ Shane |
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