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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() OK, this story seriously made me laugh out loud. You've got to love resourceful gun owners. The true irony of this story is Chicago is one of the biggest anti gun cities in the US, so to know that the city is helping to fund an NRA shooting camp is awesome. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I live just outside the city. My dad decided to use the program to unload some old broken guns for the $$$$. When he went and stood in line he said everyone there was doing the same thing. He talked to the cops there and they said that was all they were seeing. They said the program was a success!, tons of guns turned in. Unfortunately, they were all old broken guns instead of the guns they intended to get out of the hands of bad people! LOL ![]() |
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![]() Between that, other buy backs that have paid for a multitude of other shooting sports and the people who sit in front of the "buy backs" with signs that say, "We'll pay you $100 cash per long gun and $200 cash for handguns" and buy up all the ones that were going to go to the "buy back" I have to say I'm glad to see it. I'm also kinda curious how it is possibly a "buy back" Did Chicago own them all to begin with and the people are selling them back to the city? If not the firearms are not originally from the city then it's logically impossible for the city to buy them back. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Meulen - 2012-07-10 9:51 AM I live just outside the city. My dad decided to use the program to unload some old broken guns for the $$$$. When he went and stood in line he said everyone there was doing the same thing. He talked to the cops there and they said that was all they were seeing. They said the program was a success!, tons of guns turned in. Unfortunately, they were all old broken guns instead of the guns they intended to get out of the hands of bad people! LOL ![]() Yayyy let's waste taxpayer cash, use it for unintended purposes and then cheer about it! Yayyy! Here's a program that's at least TRYING to do something to curb gun violence and these idiots are playing the system, then bragging about it. Klassy, guys. KLASSY! These are the same dbags who are complaining their taxes are too high. Well, maybe now that they got some cash back they'll shut up. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DanielG - 2012-07-10 11:17 AM "We'll pay you $100 cash per long gun and $200 cash for handguns" and buy up all the ones that were going to go to the "buy back" I have to say I'm glad to see it. They shut down a few people who tried to do this in FL. Too bad, I thought it was genius. |
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![]() mr2tony - 2012-07-10 11:21 AM Meulen - 2012-07-10 9:51 AM I live just outside the city. My dad decided to use the program to unload some old broken guns for the $$$$. When he went and stood in line he said everyone there was doing the same thing. He talked to the cops there and they said that was all they were seeing. They said the program was a success!, tons of guns turned in. Unfortunately, they were all old broken guns instead of the guns they intended to get out of the hands of bad people! LOL ![]() Yayyy let's waste taxpayer cash, use it for unintended purposes and then cheer about it! Yayyy! Here's a program that's at least TRYING to do something to curb gun violence and these idiots are playing the system, then bragging about it. Klassy, guys. KLASSY! These are the same dbags who are complaining their taxes are too high. Well, maybe now that they got some cash back they'll shut up. Huh? They're not trying to do something about "gun violence" they're posturing and wasting money. At least with this group the money went towards gun safety classes and not just to pad an alderman's pocket. Perhaps if more kids got safety training in school where they should get it, fewer accidental shootings would occur. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mr2tony - 2012-07-10 11:21 AM Meulen - 2012-07-10 9:51 AM I live just outside the city. My dad decided to use the program to unload some old broken guns for the $$$$. When he went and stood in line he said everyone there was doing the same thing. He talked to the cops there and they said that was all they were seeing. They said the program was a success!, tons of guns turned in. Unfortunately, they were all old broken guns instead of the guns they intended to get out of the hands of bad people! LOL Yayyy let's waste taxpayer cash, use it for unintended purposes and then cheer about it! Yayyy! Here's a program that's at least TRYING to do something to curb gun violence and these idiots are playing the system, then bragging about it. Klassy, guys. KLASSY! These are the same dbags who are complaining their taxes are too high. Well, maybe now that they got some cash back they'll shut up. ![]() If the city was serious about getting guns off the streets they would not waste the money paying for broken or antique guns. The group followed the rules. In the article the police even knew these guns were junk. If anyone is to blame it's the police for accepting the decrepit guns. I doubt many gangbangers are using a 1898 long rifle. |
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![]() TriRSquared - 2012-07-10 11:40 AM DanielG - 2012-07-10 11:17 AM "We'll pay you $100 cash per long gun and $200 cash for handguns" and buy up all the ones that were going to go to the "buy back" I have to say I'm glad to see it. They shut down a few people who tried to do this in FL. Too bad, I thought it was genius. A couple of the "buy backs" in a couple states got shut down because there was no FFL purchasing them. It's a shame no one busted all the Reverends and community activists for conspiracy because they put it together to illegally purchase firearms in bulk. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So it's OK for these guys to manipulate the system? Because you agree with their politics? So as long as you agree with their politics, it's OK that they take advantage of a government program. Noted. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TriRSquared - 2012-07-10 10:43 AM mr2tony - 2012-07-10 11:21 AM Meulen - 2012-07-10 9:51 AM I live just outside the city. My dad decided to use the program to unload some old broken guns for the $$$$. When he went and stood in line he said everyone there was doing the same thing. He talked to the cops there and they said that was all they were seeing. They said the program was a success!, tons of guns turned in. Unfortunately, they were all old broken guns instead of the guns they intended to get out of the hands of bad people! LOL Yayyy let's waste taxpayer cash, use it for unintended purposes and then cheer about it! Yayyy! Here's a program that's at least TRYING to do something to curb gun violence and these idiots are playing the system, then bragging about it. Klassy, guys. KLASSY! These are the same dbags who are complaining their taxes are too high. Well, maybe now that they got some cash back they'll shut up. ![]() If the city was serious about getting guns off the streets they would not waste the money paying for broken or antique guns. The group followed the rules. In the article the police even knew these guns were junk. If anyone is to blame it's the police for accepting the decrepit guns. I doubt many gangbangers are using a 1898 long rifle. And the police followed the rules, which is why they paid these guys for the crap guns they sold them. Can you at least admit that they played the system? Legally played the system, that is, but played the system nonetheless. If I somehow managed to get food stamps legally and then bragged about how I am ripping off the government, you guys would be all over me for manipulating the system and taking a handout that should be illegal and blah blah blah. But since you agree with their agenda, it's funny and creative. |
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![]() mr2tony - 2012-07-10 11:46 AM So it's OK for these guys to manipulate the system? Because you agree with their politics? So as long as you agree with their politics, it's OK that they take advantage of a government program. Noted. Manipulate? How do you get that? The police said to bring your guns, they would pay for them. These guys brought their guns, just like everyone else. The cops paid for them. Hell, the guns they brought were apparently in roughly the same condition as people who brought other firearms to turn in for money. Is it manipulation if some got together and bought a buffet for a homeless shelter? If not, then how is it for these guys to use the money to teach safety to children who might not get the classes another way? |
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![]() mr2tony - 2012-07-10 11:49 AM And the police followed the rules, which is why they paid these guys for the crap guns they sold them. Can you at least admit that they played the system? Legally played the system, that is, but played the system nonetheless. If I somehow managed to get food stamps legally and then bragged about how I am ripping off the government, you guys would be all over me for manipulating the system and taking a handout that should be illegal and blah blah blah. But since you agree with their agenda, it's funny and creative. How do food stamps have anything to do with what happened? Straw man much? Wow, when you have to go that far away from the topic, perhaps you might want to rethink your position. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mr2tony - 2012-07-10 11:49 AM TriRSquared - 2012-07-10 10:43 AM And the police followed the rules, which is why they paid these guys for the crap guns they sold them. Can you at least admit that they played the system? Legally played the system, that is, but played the system nonetheless. If I somehow managed to get food stamps legally and then bragged about how I am ripping off the government, you guys would be all over me for manipulating the system and taking a handout that should be illegal and blah blah blah. But since you agree with their agenda, it's funny and creative. mr2tony - 2012-07-10 11:21 AM Meulen - 2012-07-10 9:51 AM I live just outside the city. My dad decided to use the program to unload some old broken guns for the $$$$. When he went and stood in line he said everyone there was doing the same thing. He talked to the cops there and they said that was all they were seeing. They said the program was a success!, tons of guns turned in. Unfortunately, they were all old broken guns instead of the guns they intended to get out of the hands of bad people! LOL Yayyy let's waste taxpayer cash, use it for unintended purposes and then cheer about it! Yayyy! Here's a program that's at least TRYING to do something to curb gun violence and these idiots are playing the system, then bragging about it. Klassy, guys. KLASSY! These are the same dbags who are complaining their taxes are too high. Well, maybe now that they got some cash back they'll shut up. ![]() If the city was serious about getting guns off the streets they would not waste the money paying for broken or antique guns. The group followed the rules. In the article the police even knew these guns were junk. If anyone is to blame it's the police for accepting the decrepit guns. I doubt many gangbangers are using a 1898 long rifle. If you obtained food stamps "legally" then you are not ripping off the system. Your claim of "playing the system" would be false. I don't think the group should be boasting about "playing the system" because they did not. They sold junk guns to the police who accepted the junk guns. So why did the gov't program not have rules about the guns being in working order in order for them to be "bought back"? Broken guns don't typically contribute to gun violence. Edited by TriRSquared 2012-07-10 10:56 AM |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Meulen - 2012-07-10 9:51 AM I live just outside the city. My dad decided to use the program to unload some old broken guns for the $$$$. When he went and stood in line he said everyone there was doing the same thing. He talked to the cops there and they said that was all they were seeing. They said the program was a success!, tons of guns turned in. Unfortunately, they were all old broken guns instead of the guns they intended to get out of the hands of bad people! LOL ![]() Yeah, thats weird Chicago wasting money. Huh? That program is a joke like we have all sid. Only guns that get turned in don't work. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DanielG - 2012-07-10 10:54 AM mr2tony - 2012-07-10 11:46 AM So it's OK for these guys to manipulate the system? Because you agree with their politics? So as long as you agree with their politics, it's OK that they take advantage of a government program. Noted. Manipulate? How do you get that? The police said to bring your guns, they would pay for them. These guys brought their guns, just like everyone else. The cops paid for them. Hell, the guns they brought were apparently in roughly the same condition as people who brought other firearms to turn in for money. Is it manipulation if some got together and bought a buffet for a homeless shelter? If not, then how is it for these guys to use the money to teach safety to children who might not get the classes another way? If they felt so stongly about building a place to teach kids how to safely use firearms, something I wholeheartedly support, they should have donated their own money or held a fundraiser for that purpose. To game the system the way they did is unethical in my opinon. I know someone who had a home in New Orleans that was in an area where many homes were damaged by H. Katrina. Because of the location of her home, she was entitled to aid from FEMA. Although her home had no damage whatsoever, she nevertheless accepted the $500 VISA gift card from FEMA and gave it to her daughter in NYC, who bought a designer handbag with it. IMO, what happened in Chicago is not much different from this. Yes, there's an element of philanthropy, but it's still gaming the system. And the fact that everyone is giggling about it just proves the point. All that said, it was stupid for the cops to accept the firearms if they were 100 years old and/or didn't work. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mr2tony - 2012-07-10 10:49 AM TriRSquared - 2012-07-10 10:43 AM And the police followed the rules, which is why they paid these guys for the crap guns they sold them. Can you at least admit that they played the system? Legally played the system, that is, but played the system nonetheless. If I somehow managed to get food stamps legally and then bragged about how I am ripping off the government, you guys would be all over me for manipulating the system and taking a handout that should be illegal and blah blah blah. But since you agree with their agenda, it's funny and creative. mr2tony - 2012-07-10 11:21 AM Meulen - 2012-07-10 9:51 AM I live just outside the city. My dad decided to use the program to unload some old broken guns for the $$$$. When he went and stood in line he said everyone there was doing the same thing. He talked to the cops there and they said that was all they were seeing. They said the program was a success!, tons of guns turned in. Unfortunately, they were all old broken guns instead of the guns they intended to get out of the hands of bad people! LOL Yayyy let's waste taxpayer cash, use it for unintended purposes and then cheer about it! Yayyy! Here's a program that's at least TRYING to do something to curb gun violence and these idiots are playing the system, then bragging about it. Klassy, guys. KLASSY! These are the same dbags who are complaining their taxes are too high. Well, maybe now that they got some cash back they'll shut up. ![]() If the city was serious about getting guns off the streets they would not waste the money paying for broken or antique guns. The group followed the rules. In the article the police even knew these guns were junk. If anyone is to blame it's the police for accepting the decrepit guns. I doubt many gangbangers are using a 1898 long rifle.
I don't think you have a constitutional right to bare Food Stamps! |
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![]() Meulen - 2012-07-10 12:12 PM I don't think you have a constitutional right to bare Food Stamps! ![]() So they have to be covered up? |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DanielG - 2012-07-10 11:16 AM Meulen - 2012-07-10 12:12 PM I don't think you have a constitutional right to bare Food Stamps! So they have to be covered up? ![]()
Well they, "stripped" you of the rights.......duh! LOL |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DanielG - 2012-07-10 10:55 AM mr2tony - 2012-07-10 11:49 AM And the police followed the rules, which is why they paid these guys for the crap guns they sold them. Can you at least admit that they played the system? Legally played the system, that is, but played the system nonetheless. If I somehow managed to get food stamps legally and then bragged about how I am ripping off the government, you guys would be all over me for manipulating the system and taking a handout that should be illegal and blah blah blah. But since you agree with their agenda, it's funny and creative. How do food stamps have anything to do with what happened? Straw man much? Wow, when you have to go that far away from the topic, perhaps you might want to rethink your position. It's an example of someone who may be getting a legal government handout. Just because its legal doesn't make it right. I see people on here complaining constantly about poor people living on tax dollars, not paying taxes, etc. etc. etc. and saying they shouldn't be able to do it and it's wrong and such. But it's legal. Yet people complain about it. This gun buyback and the guys who sold old useless guns, to me, is the same thing -- it's not a straw man, it's a fact that these people are using the system in a way it wasn't meant to be used. Legal? Sure. Ethical? Not in my opinion. Daniel I know you know everything already and I'm not going to change your mind, but you can't genuinely say that these people didn't manipulate the system, or at least take advantage of a government program that was never intended to be used in the way they used it. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mr2tony - 2012-07-10 11:45 AM DanielG - 2012-07-10 10:55 AM It's an example of someone who may be getting a legal government handout. Just because its legal doesn't make it right. I see people on here complaining constantly about poor people living on tax dollars, not paying taxes, etc. etc. etc. and saying they shouldn't be able to do it and it's wrong and such. But it's legal. Yet people complain about it. This gun buyback and the guys who sold old useless guns, to me, is the same thing -- it's not a straw man, it's a fact that these people are using the system in a way it wasn't meant to be used. Legal? Sure. Ethical? Not in my opinion. Daniel I know you know everything already and I'm not going to change your mind, but you can't genuinely say that these people didn't manipulate the system, or at least take advantage of a government program that was never intended to be used in the way they used it. mr2tony - 2012-07-10 11:49 AM And the police followed the rules, which is why they paid these guys for the crap guns they sold them. Can you at least admit that they played the system? Legally played the system, that is, but played the system nonetheless. If I somehow managed to get food stamps legally and then bragged about how I am ripping off the government, you guys would be all over me for manipulating the system and taking a handout that should be illegal and blah blah blah. But since you agree with their agenda, it's funny and creative. How do food stamps have anything to do with what happened? Straw man much? Wow, when you have to go that far away from the topic, perhaps you might want to rethink your position. I think the bigger part of the argument is that this government program won't work and that's where the waste is. With food stamps, they do work and they help a lot of genuinely needy people. There are also people that take advantage of them, and those loop holes should be closed up. For the gun buyback program I don't think it works at all and in fact I think it has an opposite effect (my opinion of course) because if you take a criminal who has a "dirty" gun or a non working gun he now has a place to fence the gun with no questions asked and is given money to go buy a new illegal gun. In Omaha they have "Gun Amnesty Day's" a few times a year where people can drop off guns with no questions asked. They do not pay any money for the guns. I think this is a much better way to achieve the goal that Chicago's trying to do and it doesn't cost anything. The Omaha PD have gotten a lot of guns turned in (many that aren't working) but they also get some guns that have been traced to crimes and are fully functional. Granted the down side is the bad guy can cleanly get rid of the evidence, but it does get a gun off the streets. |
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![]() mr2tony It's an example of someone who may be getting a legal government handout. Just because its legal doesn't make it right. I see people on here complaining constantly about poor people living on tax dollars, not paying taxes, etc. etc. etc. and saying they shouldn't be able to do it and it's wrong and such. But it's legal. Yet people complain about it. This gun buyback and the guys who sold old useless guns, to me, is the same thing -- it's not a straw man, it's a fact that these people are using the system in a way it wasn't meant to be used. Legal? Sure. Ethical? Not in my opinion. Daniel I know you know everything already and I'm not going to change your mind, but you can't genuinely say that these people didn't manipulate the system, or at least take advantage of a government program that was never intended to be used in the way they used it. The police were offering money for firearms. These people turned in firearms to get the money offered. That's not a handout, they had to give up something of value to get their money, unlike food stamp recipients, so your comparison is invalid from the outset. Perhaps I failed to see where the "but you cannot use the money we give you for..." listing in the gun buy back notification. Would you mind pointing it out for me, please? |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tuwood - 2012-07-10 1:07 PM I think the bigger part of the argument is that this government program won't work and that's where the waste is. Ding ding ding! There are a number of studies that show that these buy-back programs do nothing to decrease gun violence. You want to take about waste? Let's start with the government. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DanielG - 2012-07-10 12:13 PM mr2tony It's an example of someone who may be getting a legal government handout. Just because its legal doesn't make it right. I see people on here complaining constantly about poor people living on tax dollars, not paying taxes, etc. etc. etc. and saying they shouldn't be able to do it and it's wrong and such. But it's legal. Yet people complain about it. This gun buyback and the guys who sold old useless guns, to me, is the same thing -- it's not a straw man, it's a fact that these people are using the system in a way it wasn't meant to be used. Legal? Sure. Ethical? Not in my opinion. Daniel I know you know everything already and I'm not going to change your mind, but you can't genuinely say that these people didn't manipulate the system, or at least take advantage of a government program that was never intended to be used in the way they used it. The police were offering money for firearms. These people turned in firearms to get the money offered. That's not a handout, they had to give up something of value to get their money, unlike food stamp recipients, so your comparison is invalid from the outset. Perhaps I failed to see where the "but you cannot use the money we give you for..." listing in the gun buy back notification. Would you mind pointing it out for me, please? Never said what they did was illegal. Do you even read what people write before you start replying? I didn't say what they did was illegal or not allowed. Or that they couldn't use the money for whatever they wanted. Would you mind pointing out where I said they couldn't use the money for whatever they wanted? Oh right, I said it was unethical and they were gaming the system. And they gave up something for their money? What'd they give up? It seems to be funny to people that they gave up something worthless for government money. I don't know ... sounds very similar to me. As for food stamp recipients, the program is designed to give people a leg up when they need it with the thought that it'll help them get on their feet enough to find a job. In turn, they'll pay taxes and contribute to the system. I agree that there are a lot of people who don't do that and in a sense are playing the system knowing the government won't turn them away. Just like the guys with the guns, playing the system, knowing the government wouldn't turn them away. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DanielG - 2012-07-10 12:13 PM mr2tony It's an example of someone who may be getting a legal government handout. Just because its legal doesn't make it right. I see people on here complaining constantly about poor people living on tax dollars, not paying taxes, etc. etc. etc. and saying they shouldn't be able to do it and it's wrong and such. But it's legal. Yet people complain about it. This gun buyback and the guys who sold old useless guns, to me, is the same thing -- it's not a straw man, it's a fact that these people are using the system in a way it wasn't meant to be used. Legal? Sure. Ethical? Not in my opinion. Daniel I know you know everything already and I'm not going to change your mind, but you can't genuinely say that these people didn't manipulate the system, or at least take advantage of a government program that was never intended to be used in the way they used it. The police were offering money for firearms. These people turned in firearms to get the money offered. That's not a handout, they had to give up something of value to get their money, unlike food stamp recipients, so your comparison is invalid from the outset. Perhaps I failed to see where the "but you cannot use the money we give you for..." listing in the gun buy back notification. Would you mind pointing it out for me, please? "They had to give up something of value..." No they didn't. They turned in, essentially scrap metal and garbage. Isn't that what everyone's LOL-ing over? That they turned in something with no value in exchange for cash? It seems like every week someone here is complaining about people on welfare buying Cadillac Escalades or whatever. And just like this program, there's no rules about what the money can be spent on. In both cases, it's a few people taking advantage of a program that is designed, however poorly, to address a legitimate social concern. Admit it-- they took advantage of a poorly designed government program and cashed in. Good for them for using the money for a philanthropic purpose, but let's call a spade a spade here. They found a loophole and they exploited it. |
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![]() | ![]() Pretty easy solution, require some form of ID saying you live in the city. I would say people driving up from down state to turn in busted guns is gaming the system, I would say their moral compass is busted. |
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