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2007-05-11 2:27 PM

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Subject: Is Amanda Beard setting a bad example?....I'll have to take a look to judge :)
http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/6796300?MSNHPHCP>1=10035

Seriously, what is your take on this? I personally think this has become part of our present world. How am I going to talk to my daughter about this later on is beyond me at this moment.



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2007-05-11 2:29 PM
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Great idea! Leave a copy of the magazine on your desk so your bodacious coworker gets a good look at it.

Your little girl is growing up so fast and she's just BEAUTIFUL!

2007-05-11 2:38 PM
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Subject: RE: Is Amanda Beard setting a bad example?....I'll have to take a look to judge :)
cobannero - 2007-05-11 2:27 PM

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/6796300?MSNHPHCP>1=10035

Seriously, what is your take on this? I personally think this has become part of our present world. How am I going to talk to my daughter about this later on is beyond me at this moment.



I guess I don't understand why you'd need to talk to your daughter about it at all. You don't normally discuss Playboy with your daughter, do you?

On a personal note: I think it's bogus that she's doing it but it's her choice. And yes, I plan to buy the issue when it comes out.
2007-05-11 2:41 PM
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Subject: RE: Is Amanda Beard setting a bad example?....I'll have to take a look to judge :)
Your daughter should be looking up to you and people close to her in her life instead of pro athletes and celebrities for a role model.  What those people choose to do with themselves is their business.
2007-05-11 2:51 PM
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I'm having deja vu.

I love Wednesday's.  Wait, it's Thursday....

2007-05-11 3:02 PM
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Since you asked I say good for her.  I can't see how being self-confident could set a bad example.  It's not like she's dealing drugs or driving drunk.  My opinion is if people don't like it, they have the very simple option of not buying the magazine.

 



2007-05-11 4:21 PM
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women want to know they are sexy and in today's world being in playboy is the biggest thing for a woman. only hand selected women get in the magazing so for a woman it says alot. i wont go buy the issue but if its around im gonna look.
as for ur daughter i dont see how this affects her. unless beard is her role model or something
2007-05-11 4:34 PM
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globalchaos - 2007-05-11 5:21 PM women want to know they are sexy and in today's world being in playboy is the biggest thing for a woman. only hand selected women get in the magazing so for a woman it says alot.

yes this is true anna nicole smith picked up where gloria steinem left off she really opened doors for todays young women i mean who wants to be a condoleeza rice or madeleine albright when you can skip all that edickation and hardwork and just get nekid and sell your photos to hornytoad men?



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No she is not.
2007-05-11 5:28 PM
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women want to know they are sexy and in today's world being in playboy is the biggest thing for a woman.

Right, 'cause a) Playboy is the be-all, end-all of what is sexy and attractive, and b) all women aspire to be deemed "hot enough" to be in Playboy.

*eyeroll*
2007-05-11 5:57 PM
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Ya know, the Tri Talk thread on this same subject has pictures.  I expected more from CoJ

just sayin'

Oh, and the answer is no. 



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I think the columnist is ignorant:

"Do they have to pose naked to become famous? Of course not — most famous female athletes have not posed nude. But are good looks a prerequisite for female athletes to become famous? Yeah, pretty much.

Granted, good looks are usually a prerequisite for most people to become famous — anybody except athletes.

And maybe that is what this tells us: We see famous male athletes as athletes, but we see famous female athletes simply as famous people. Most sports fans know who Amanda Beard is, but I would bet that at least 95 percent have no idea what her best stroke is. Michael Phelps is famous for being a great swimmer; Amanda Beard is famous for being an attractive swimmer, even though she has won seven medals in three Olympics and is preparing for her fourth trip to the Summer Games."

WTF is he talking about?

Also, I say no. She can do what she wants. it's not like turning a tri mag into a porn mag. Playboy is a porn mag, good for her if that's what she wants to do. I wonder if SHE thinks she's setting a bad example? I bet there will be a good interview with the pics.
2007-05-11 6:51 PM
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cobannero - 2007-05-11 1:27 PM

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/6796300?MSNHPHCP>1=10035

Seriously, what is your take on this? I personally think this has become part of our present world. How am I going to talk to my daughter about this later on is beyond me at this moment.



Why would this even be on your daughter's radar unless you keep a copy of PB sittingg around...
2007-05-11 8:31 PM
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How am I going to talk to my daughter about this later on is beyond me at this moment.

Well, since you probably won't want to talk to her about it until she is 30, you've got a while to think about it.

 

2007-05-12 7:42 PM
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what is so wrong with nudity anyway?  If I had a body that could make me millions by posing nude, I'd do it in a hearbeat... I mean it's just nudity, sigh.
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puellasolis - 2007-05-11 5:28 PM women want to know they are sexy and in today's world being in playboy is the biggest thing for a woman. Right, 'cause a) Playboy is the be-all, end-all of what is sexy and attractive, and b) all women aspire to be deemed "hot enough" to be in Playboy. *eyeroll*

not to mention the paycheck



2007-05-13 1:31 PM
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pigfinn - 2007-05-12 6:42 PM what is so wrong with nudity anyway?  If I had a body that could make me millions by posing nude, I'd do it in a hearbeat... I mean it's just nudity, sigh.

I posed nude for an art class in college.  What kind of example was I setting (except I those pictures were not on most newstands).  If I had the kind of body where someone wanted to pay a lot of money to pose nude...HECK YEAH!!

 Oh yeah, if my daugher one day wants to pose nude for an art class or magazine, what kind of hipocrite would I be if I told her not to?

If I were a woman and had the body to be chosen for Playboy I'd do it in a heartbeat.  Most of America seems to be so conservative about the body.  "how will this affect the kids?"  How about, "The human body is beautiful by design.  What you choose to do with it is your choice.  She chose to work hard at the goal of becoming a world class swimmer.  With hard work and dedication anything is possible."   Don't even have to go into the Playboy thing.  It's a footnote to the fact she busted her butt for a lot of years to get where she is and the shape of her body is a direct reflection of that.

 

2007-05-13 4:33 PM
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AdventureBear - 2007-05-11 4:50 PM ... "And maybe that is what this tells us: We see famous male athletes as athletes, but we see famous female athletes simply as famous people. Most sports fans know who Amanda Beard is, but I would bet that at least 95 percent have no idea what her best stroke is. Michael Phelps is famous for being a great swimmer; Amanda Beard is famous for being an attractive swimmer, even though she has won seven medals in three Olympics and is preparing for her fourth trip to the Summer Games."

WTF is he talking about?

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I understand exactly what he is talking about.  Triathlete Mag comes out with latest swimsuit issue "Oh yeah, there will be people who aren't happy with this - yada yada"  - Did not see ONE guy in the swimsuit issue modeling a skimpy speedo.  Nope.  MOST of the guys were wearing tri-top/tri-shorts.  NOT ONE WOMAN modeled a full tri-top/shorts combo.  MOST were modeling skimpy bikinis that you couldn't even really swim in - let alone do a triathlon in.

Then there's an ad for Xterra (or the article) can't remember right now - two guys running on beach, shoes/tri-top/tri shorts/hats/sunglasses looking like ATHLETES.  Alongside is a girl running - skimpy bikini - barefoot.  She had a good body (of course) but wasn't really presented as an athlete, that's for sure.

Something I'm getting really tired of.  Guys are presented in the mags (and not just triathlete mags) as serious, wearing serious gear and looking like they can race.  Women (i.e. last couple of issues of triathlete) are presented as look at her great body.  Yeah, they may be standing or sitting on a bike, but I don't think they really race in a string bikini that barely covers the relevant parts.  If they are athletes - present them as such, guy or girl.

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And NO - if she wants to pose for Playboy more power to her.

2007-05-13 4:46 PM
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I understand exactly what he is talking about. Triathlete Mag comes out with latest swimsuit issue "Oh yeah, there will be people who aren't happy with this - yada yada" - Did not see ONE guy in the swimsuit issue modeling a skimpy speedo. Nope. MOST of the guys were wearing tri-top/tri-shorts. NOT ONE WOMAN modeled a full tri-top/shorts combo. MOST were modeling skimpy bikinis that you couldn't even really swim in - let alone do a triathlon in.

Then there's an ad for Xterra (or the article) can't remember right now - two guys running on beach, shoes/tri-top/tri shorts/hats/sunglasses looking like ATHLETES. Alongside is a girl running - skimpy bikini - barefoot. She had a good body (of course) but wasn't really presented as an athlete, that's for sure.

Something I'm getting really tired of. Guys are presented in the mags (and not just triathlete mags) as serious, wearing serious gear and looking like they can race. Women (i.e. last couple of issues of triathlete) are presented as look at her great body. Yeah, they may be standing or sitting on a bike, but I don't think they really race in a string bikini that barely covers the relevant parts. If they are athletes - present them as such, guy or girl.

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And NO - if she wants to pose for Playboy more power to her.



Yes, exactly. Same thing in pro beach volleyball. The men wear board shorts; the women wear tiny bikinis.

One of the things I love about sport is that it's a domain where women can be unapologetically powerful. It frustrates me to see women portrayed in such a way that their sex appeal is apparently more valued than their ability as athletes.

That said, Amanda Beard has every right to do what she chooses with her body, and I don't consider her less of an athlete for posing for Playboy.
2007-05-13 7:19 PM
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I live near manhattan/hermosa, and see pro women V Ball players practicing all the time on weekdays and non event weekends.  Guess what?  They wear bikinis even when no one else (except us leering bikers) are watching.  Seems like your issue should be not with society, but with these women who have the audacity to wear a bikini on the beach.....
2007-05-13 8:37 PM
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ChrisM - 2007-05-13 7:19 PM

I live near manhattan/hermosa, and see pro women V Ball players practicing all the time on weekdays and non event weekends. Guess what? They wear bikinis even when no one else (except us leering bikers) are watching. Seems like your issue should be not with society, but with these women who have the audacity to wear a bikini on the beach.....


If they're able to play vball while wearing a bikini, more power to them. I know I couldn't do it without accidentally exposing anything. I should have clarified that if the idea to wear bikinis in competition is theirs, that's fine. If it was some promoter who said "hey, we should have the ladies wear skimpy bikinis, but it's fine if the men just wear board shorts" that's where I start to have a problem.


2007-05-14 7:18 AM
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How many years of womens lib and she still has to lower herself to this to get noticed? Pretty lame.
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cadreamer - 2007-05-13 4:33 PM

AdventureBear - 2007-05-11 4:50 PM ... "And maybe that is what this tells us: We see famous male athletes as athletes, but we see famous female athletes simply as famous people. Most sports fans know who Amanda Beard is, but I would bet that at least 95 percent have no idea what her best stroke is. Michael Phelps is famous for being a great swimmer; Amanda Beard is famous for being an attractive swimmer, even though she has won seven medals in three Olympics and is preparing for her fourth trip to the Summer Games."

WTF is he talking about?

Rant Mode On 

I understand exactly what he is talking about.  Triathlete Mag comes out with latest swimsuit issue "Oh yeah, there will be people who aren't happy with this - yada yada"  - Did not see ONE guy in the swimsuit issue modeling a skimpy speedo.  Nope.  MOST of the guys were wearing tri-top/tri-shorts.  NOT ONE WOMAN modeled a full tri-top/shorts combo.  MOST were modeling skimpy bikinis that you couldn't even really swim in - let alone do a triathlon in.

Then there's an ad for Xterra (or the article) can't remember right now - two guys running on beach, shoes/tri-top/tri shorts/hats/sunglasses looking like ATHLETES.  Alongside is a girl running - skimpy bikini - barefoot.  She had a good body (of course) but wasn't really presented as an athlete, that's for sure.

Something I'm getting really tired of.  Guys are presented in the mags (and not just triathlete mags) as serious, wearing serious gear and looking like they can race.  Women (i.e. last couple of issues of triathlete) are presented as look at her great body.  Yeah, they may be standing or sitting on a bike, but I don't think they really race in a string bikini that barely covers the relevant parts.  If they are athletes - present them as such, guy or girl.

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And NO - if she wants to pose for Playboy more power to her.

I actually don't care much about the issue one way or another.  There wasn't anything in triathlete magazine that I would feel embarassed about seeing my friends or family wearing.

Just thought I would point out though that although there were no guys in skimpy speedos (an obvious oversight since I actually see people race in these), there were four pages of women in full coverage suits.  One of the better shots was of one of the female triathletes in a speedo full dragon suit.

As to the issue of women not being presented as athletes in that particular publication...I have to say I have a hard time believing you read the magazine if you think this.  In the swimsuit issue neither men nor women were actually shown much as athletes (ie: doing anything athletic).  However, throughout the training articles and raceday coverage there are plenty of athlete shots of women racing and not much attention is paid to if the shot is flattering or not (which is the way it should be).

Yes triathlete magazine has a few pages of swimsuits...but in my opinion the shots were nowhere near as racy as the shots you'll find in cosmo, glamour, or most of the women's publications.  I have also seen both men and women racing in stuff that covers no more then what they were showing.

Just my perspective of course.

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AdventureBear - 2007-05-11 6:50 PM

I think the columnist is ignorant:

"Do they have to pose naked to become famous? Of course not — most famous female athletes have not posed nude. But are good looks a prerequisite for female athletes to become famous? Yeah, pretty much.

Granted, good looks are usually a prerequisite for most people to become famous — anybody except athletes.

And maybe that is what this tells us: We see famous male athletes as athletes, but we see famous female athletes simply as famous people. Most sports fans know who Amanda Beard is, but I would bet that at least 95 percent have no idea what her best stroke is. Michael Phelps is famous for being a great swimmer; Amanda Beard is famous for being an attractive swimmer, even though she has won seven medals in three Olympics and is preparing for her fourth trip to the Summer Games."

WTF is he talking about?


I agree with the columnist -- it's not that he's saying this -- he's pointing out some facts. If a woman is unattractive but a great athlete, does she get the attention? Look at Anna Kournikova -- not a very talented tennis player, relatively, but everybody knows her name. And (my girl, back off) Danica Patrick -- never won a race but she's hot so we read about her every week. Anybody ever heard of Lyn St. James? Indycar racer for a lot of years, not as hot as Danica so of course we don't know who she is.

I agree it's a sad state of affairs when women aren't noticed unless they're hot. It shows that we have a long way to go as a society before we start seeing each other as equals when it comes to sports. The WNBA, women's soccer leagues and even women's hockey is generally considered a bit of a -- excuse me but it's a fact -- joke among sports-lovers. The only reason any guy I know watched softball ever is because Jenny Finch was pitching.

Endurance sports are unique in that the young and male aren't always the winners. I can't count how many times I've been smoked by a 50-year-old woman during triathlons. We tend to forget not all sports are like triathlons.
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Downunderman - 2007-05-14 7:18 AM How many years of womens lib and she still has to lower herself to this to get noticed? Pretty lame.

 

I'm not trying to pick a fight but I think it's safe to say she's been noticed long before this.

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