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 2009-06-16 8:51 PM |
Extreme Veteran  565   Jenison , MI |  Subject: walking your bike in a racewhat's the rules on this in a USAT race? Say you had a bike problem that you could not fix and had to walk your bike. Or say you came to a hill that you just did not have it in you to climb so you walked it. What would be done about it? I ask this because in my HIM training I have done some very hilly rides and after 30+ miles of hills I have had some I just did not have it left in me to do it again so I walked them. Also I got to thinking "what if I was a mile out from the bike end and I broke something that I could not fix right there"? Sure depending on the race I could wait for the SAG van but that could be a lot longer then walking a mile with the bike. So would I have to wait or walk and face a DQ? |
| 2009-06-16 8:57 PM in reply to: #2222930 |
Elite 3683   Whispering Pines, North Carolina | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race |
| 2009-06-16 9:02 PM in reply to: #2222930 |
Champion 10742 Ames, IA | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race It's legal. It hasn't happened to me yet (knock on wood), but I've heard stories of people who have had to walk their bike into transition and still go out and finish the run. And a lot of people will walk their bike on hard hills. |
| 2009-06-16 9:09 PM in reply to: #2222930 |
Expert 774 | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race You can walk alongside it or carry it - both are legal. You are certainly welcome to walk up a steep hill if you choose, and, quite frankly, it might make sense to do so on a long course if you are not at the top of your AG. The Xterra and cyclocross crowds routinely carry their bike for efficiency rather than ride over the really rough terrain. |
| 2009-06-16 9:26 PM in reply to: #2222930 |
| 126 | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race in the midst of a half ironman, i got a flat on my new tubular tires. i could not, for the life of me, remember how to change them. i sat there and goofed around and just couldnt get it...... |
| 2009-06-16 9:31 PM in reply to: #2222930 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race There's a famous example of a guy in the 2005 Kona Ironman who crashed with around 10 miles left on the bike course. He put his wrecked bike on his shoulder and walked, in his socks, the 10+ miles to T2, then ran the marathon. So, yeah, it's legal. |
| 2009-06-16 9:37 PM in reply to: #2223003 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race craig002 - 2009-06-16 10:26 PM in the midst of a half ironman, i got a flat on my new tubular tires. i could not, for the life of me, remember how to change them. i sat there and goofed around and just couldnt get it...... I gotta say this is priceless! |
| 2009-06-16 9:38 PM in reply to: #2222930 |
| Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race ... and that man is known to you and I as Chuck Norris. Upon finishing the marathon, he returned to the transition and roundhouse kicked his lame bike. |
| 2009-06-16 9:41 PM in reply to: #2222930 |
Master 1890 Cypress, CA | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race fsr402 - 2009-06-16 6:51 PM what's the rules on this in a USAT race? Say you had a bike problem that you could not fix and had to walk your bike. Or say you came to a hill that you just did not have it in you to climb so you walked it. What would be done about it? I ask this because in my HIM training I have done some very hilly rides and after 30+ miles of hills I have had some I just did not have it left in me to do it again so I walked them. Also I got to thinking "what if I was a mile out from the bike end and I broke something that I could not fix right there"? Sure depending on the race I could wait for the SAG van but that could be a lot longer then walking a mile with the bike. So would I have to wait or walk and face a DQ? As long as you keep your bike with you (push or carry) and don't impede other cyclists, you can walk/run as much as you want. I think if you take mechanical assistance from SAG ("unauthorized assistance") you're subject to penalty, and if you accept a ride you're done. |
| 2009-06-16 9:41 PM in reply to: #2222930 |
Champion 8766 Evergreen, Colorado | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race I saw a dude at Alcatraz walking with his bike...he had no chain. Lucky for him he had toe cages and was wearing running shoes! He eventually passed me on the run...probably because he was able to coast down the big hill and go quite a ways towards transition. |
| 2009-06-16 10:07 PM in reply to: #2223033 |
| Regular 281 | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race chandy14ski - 2009-06-16 10:38 PM ... and that man is known to you and I as Chuck Norris. Upon finishing the marathon, he returned to the transition and roundhouse kicked his lame bike to the 2021 Kona IM and won it. Fixed And I did a good deed for my lifetime at a 5k run I was on. I saw a cyclist running her bike and I asked her what was wrong. She said she had a flat and had no Co2. I happen to ride my mountain bike to the start line and chained it to a fence. I had a new Co2 in my tail bag and told her she cold have it. She used it. |
| 2009-06-16 10:58 PM in reply to: #2223003 |
Expert 977 Huntington Beach | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race craig002 - 2009-06-16 7:26 PM in the midst of a half ironman, i got a flat on my new tubular tires. i could not, for the life of me, remember how to change them. i sat there and goofed around and just couldnt get it...... LMAO! Had to read this aloud to my whole family! |
 2009-06-17 12:09 AM in reply to: #2222930 |
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| 2009-06-17 7:35 AM in reply to: #2223174 |
| 126 | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race craig002 - 2009-06-16 7:26 PM in the midst of a half ironman, i got a flat on my new tubular tires. i could not, for the life of me, remember how to change them. i sat there and goofed around and just couldnt get it...... LMAO! Had to read this aloud to my whole family! ----well let me continue..... :-) because what the head ref said, had me laughing still to this day... so i have the tubulars glued on to the rim..............all of which were expensive and i paid for, so i was in that debate of being confused, more or less knowing that i somehow needed to get the tire off the rim BUT not wanting to ruin my wheels by doing it wrong. i had forgotten what they told me to do in the bike shop and i was using a tire tool to try to get the tire off.... i explain all that to the head ref.........he turns his back and says.....and i do quote: "stop being a mother f$^Y^ing little girl, grab that tire with two hands and rip that mother f#%ker off that god damn wheel".......... sweat in my eyes and laughing, i gripped and ripped.......got it off....... i had tools every where on the road and in the grass and i reached back and sat the sticky glue rim in the grass and it picked up about a pound of grass that is now stuck all over the wheel....... the head ref turns back around and looks and goes "aahhhhhh you f#$%ked that all up".... i am still laughing....... long story short, i get the new tire back on with this "hay stack" of grass sticking out from the sides of the tire..............so much for "aerodynamic" at this point..... he's laughing....i'm laughing........the support team and cop is laughing....... head ref yells as i roll on.................."just freakin ride it off!"...... and i did......after the final 10 miles i just had a well trimmed "lawn" hanging off the side of the tires...:-)... |
| 2009-06-17 7:55 AM in reply to: #2223454 |
| Pro 4828 The Land of Ice and Snow | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race craig002 - 2009-06-17 8:35 AM craig002 - 2009-06-16 7:26 PM in the midst of a half ironman, i got a flat on my new tubular tires. i could not, for the life of me, remember how to change them. i sat there and goofed around and just couldnt get it...... LMAO! Had to read this aloud to my whole family! ----well let me continue..... :-) because what the head ref said, had me laughing still to this day... so i have the tubulars glued on to the rim..............all of which were expensive and i paid for, so i was in that debate of being confused, more or less knowing that i somehow needed to get the tire off the rim BUT not wanting to ruin my wheels by doing it wrong. i had forgotten what they told me to do in the bike shop and i was using a tire tool to try to get the tire off.... i explain all that to the head ref.........he turns his back and says.....and i do quote: "stop being a mother f$^Y^ing little girl, grab that tire with two hands and rip that mother f#%ker off that god damn wheel".......... sweat in my eyes and laughing, i gripped and ripped.......got it off....... i had tools every where on the road and in the grass and i reached back and sat the sticky glue rim in the grass and it picked up about a pound of grass that is now stuck all over the wheel....... the head ref turns back around and looks and goes "aahhhhhh you f#$%ked that all up".... i am still laughing....... long story short, i get the new tire back on with this "hay stack" of grass sticking out from the sides of the tire..............so much for "aerodynamic" at this point..... he's laughing....i'm laughing........the support team and cop is laughing....... head ref yells as i roll on.................."just freakin ride it off!"...... and i did......after the final 10 miles i just had a well trimmed "lawn" hanging off the side of the tires...:-)... PRICELESS!!!!!!! |
| 2009-06-17 8:05 AM in reply to: #2223454 |
| Expert 966 Decatur | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race craig002 - 2009-06-17 8:35 AM craig002 - 2009-06-16 7:26 PM in the midst of a half ironman, i got a flat on my new tubular tires. i could not, for the life of me, remember how to change them. i sat there and goofed around and just couldnt get it...... LMAO! Had to read this aloud to my whole family! ----well let me continue..... :-) because what the head ref said, had me laughing still to this day... so i have the tubulars glued on to the rim..............all of which were expensive and i paid for, so i was in that debate of being confused, more or less knowing that i somehow needed to get the tire off the rim BUT not wanting to ruin my wheels by doing it wrong. i had forgotten what they told me to do in the bike shop and i was using a tire tool to try to get the tire off.... i explain all that to the head ref.........he turns his back and says.....and i do quote: "stop being a mother f$^Y^ing little girl, grab that tire with two hands and rip that mother f#%ker off that god damn wheel".......... sweat in my eyes and laughing, i gripped and ripped.......got it off....... i had tools every where on the road and in the grass and i reached back and sat the sticky glue rim in the grass and it picked up about a pound of grass that is now stuck all over the wheel....... the head ref turns back around and looks and goes "aahhhhhh you f#$%ked that all up".... i am still laughing....... long story short, i get the new tire back on with this "hay stack" of grass sticking out from the sides of the tire..............so much for "aerodynamic" at this point..... he's laughing....i'm laughing........the support team and cop is laughing....... head ref yells as i roll on.................."just freakin ride it off!"...... and i did......after the final 10 miles i just had a well trimmed "lawn" hanging off the side of the tires...:-)... god. this is the greatest story EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL |
| 2009-06-17 8:09 AM in reply to: #2223101 |
| Extreme Veteran 606 | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race ATLsbr - 2009-06-16 11:07 PM chandy14ski - 2009-06-16 10:38 PM ... and that man is known to you and I as Chuck Norris. Upon finishing the marathon, he returned to the transition and roundhouse kicked his lame bike to the 2021 Kona IM and won it. Fixed And I did a good deed for my lifetime at a 5k run I was on. I saw a cyclist running her bike and I asked her what was wrong. She said she had a flat and had no Co2. I happen to ride my mountain bike to the start line and chained it to a fence. I had a new Co2 in my tail bag and told her she cold have it. She used it. Good for you!. After watching Kona last year, when Chrissie W. had her flat and no CO2 cartridge and the other rider gave her one. Isn't that outside help? I would do the same thing (and have) but outside help is outside help. d. Unauthorized Assistance. No participant shall accept from any person (other than a race official) physical assistance in any form, including food, drink, equipment, support, pacing, a replacement bicycle or bicycle parts, unless an express exception has been granted and approved, in writing, by USA Triathlon. The receipt of information regarding the progress, split times, or location of other competitors on the race course shall not be considered the acceptance of unauthorized assistance. Any violation of this Section shall result in a variable time penalty. Edited by JustTriDave 2009-06-17 8:16 AM |
| 2009-06-17 8:15 AM in reply to: #2223042 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race tjh - 2009-06-16 9:41 PM fsr402 - 2009-06-16 6:51 PM what's the rules on this in a USAT race? Say you had a bike problem that you could not fix and had to walk your bike. Or say you came to a hill that you just did not have it in you to climb so you walked it. What would be done about it? I ask this because in my HIM training I have done some very hilly rides and after 30+ miles of hills I have had some I just did not have it left in me to do it again so I walked them. Also I got to thinking "what if I was a mile out from the bike end and I broke something that I could not fix right there"? Sure depending on the race I could wait for the SAG van but that could be a lot longer then walking a mile with the bike. So would I have to wait or walk and face a DQ? As long as you keep your bike with you (push or carry) and don't impede other cyclists, you can walk/run as much as you want. I think if you take mechanical assistance from SAG ("unauthorized assistance") you're subject to penalty, and if you accept a ride you're done. Wouldn't SAG be "authorized assistance"? At least if provided by the race director... |
| 2009-06-17 9:27 AM in reply to: #2223538 |
| Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race JustTriDave - 2009-06-17 8:09 AM [ After watching Kona last year, when Chrissie W. had her flat and no CO2 cartridge and the other rider gave her one. Isn't that outside help? I would do the same thing (and have) but outside help is outside help. d. Unauthorized Assistance. No participant shall accept from any person (other than a race official) physical assistance in any form, including food, drink, equipment, support, pacing, a replacement bicycle or bicycle parts, unless an express exception has been granted and approved, in writing, by USA Triathlon. The receipt of information regarding the progress, split times, or location of other competitors on the race course shall not be considered the acceptance of unauthorized assistance. Any violation of this Section shall result in a variable time penalty. No you can accept help from a fellow competitor without penalty. Chrisie also had a flat at Ironman Kansas 70.3 on Sunday, but was prepared this time  |
| 2009-06-17 9:40 AM in reply to: #2223830 |
| Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race lisac957 - 2009-06-17 9:27 AM JustTriDave - 2009-06-17 8:09 AM [ After watching Kona last year, when Chrissie W. had her flat and no CO2 cartridge and the other rider gave her one. Isn't that outside help? I would do the same thing (and have) but outside help is outside help. d. Unauthorized Assistance. No participant shall accept from any person (other than a race official) physical assistance in any form, including food, drink, equipment, support, pacing, a replacement bicycle or bicycle parts, unless an express exception has been granted and approved, in writing, by USA Triathlon. The receipt of information regarding the progress, split times, or location of other competitors on the race course shall not be considered the acceptance of unauthorized assistance. Any violation of this Section shall result in a variable time penalty. No you can accept help from a fellow competitor without penalty. Chrisie also had a flat at Ironman Kansas 70.3 on Sunday, but was prepared this time Not sure how you interpret that in that way. I'm under the understanding that assistance from a fellow competitor is no different than assistance from a spectator or coach. |
| 2009-06-17 10:06 AM in reply to: #2223830 |
| Extreme Veteran 606 | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race lisac957 - 2009-06-17 10:27 AM JustTriDave - 2009-06-17 8:09 AM [ After watching Kona last year, when Chrissie W. had her flat and no CO2 cartridge and the other rider gave her one. Isn't that outside help? I would do the same thing (and have) but outside help is outside help. d. Unauthorized Assistance. No participant shall accept from any person (other than a race official) physical assistance in any form, including food, drink, equipment, support, pacing, a replacement bicycle or bicycle parts, unless an express exception has been granted and approved, in writing, by USA Triathlon. The receipt of information regarding the progress, split times, or location of other competitors on the race course shall not be considered the acceptance of unauthorized assistance. Any violation of this Section shall result in a variable time penalty. No you can accept help from a fellow competitor without penalty. Chrisie also had a flat at Ironman Kansas 70.3 on Sunday, but was prepared this time I read that as assistance from anyone other than a race official is a violation. |
| 2009-06-17 10:15 AM in reply to: #2223230 |
| Elite 3490 Toledo, Ohio | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race Wouldn't this guy be DQ'd for not having his helmet on during the bike leg? He looks like, at this point, he doesn't really care anymore. Edited by olliedawg 2009-06-17 10:17 AM |
| 2009-06-17 10:16 AM in reply to: #2223454 |
| Pro 3730 NorCal | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race craig002 - 2009-06-17 5:35 AM craig002 - 2009-06-16 7:26 PM in the midst of a half ironman, i got a flat on my new tubular tires. i could not, for the life of me, remember how to change them. i sat there and goofed around and just couldnt get it...... LMAO! Had to read this aloud to my whole family! ----well let me continue..... :-) because what the head ref said, had me laughing still to this day... so i have the tubulars glued on to the rim..............all of which were expensive and i paid for, so i was in that debate of being confused, more or less knowing that i somehow needed to get the tire off the rim BUT not wanting to ruin my wheels by doing it wrong. i had forgotten what they told me to do in the bike shop and i was using a tire tool to try to get the tire off.... i explain all that to the head ref.........he turns his back and says.....and i do quote: "stop being a mother f$^Y^ing little girl, grab that tire with two hands and rip that mother f#%ker off that god damn wheel".......... sweat in my eyes and laughing, i gripped and ripped.......got it off....... i had tools every where on the road and in the grass and i reached back and sat the sticky glue rim in the grass and it picked up about a pound of grass that is now stuck all over the wheel....... the head ref turns back around and looks and goes "aahhhhhh you f#$%ked that all up".... i am still laughing....... long story short, i get the new tire back on with this "hay stack" of grass sticking out from the sides of the tire..............so much for "aerodynamic" at this point..... he's laughing....i'm laughing........the support team and cop is laughing....... head ref yells as i roll on.................."just freakin ride it off!"...... and i did......after the final 10 miles i just had a well trimmed "lawn" hanging off the side of the tires...:-)... My morning started off less than stellar...THANK YOU for the amazing laugh!! AWESOME story!!!! |
| 2009-06-17 10:21 AM in reply to: #2222930 |
| Expert 1139 Austin | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race IIRC the last rules meeting I went to the USAT official said that assistance from another competitor is legal as it's basically a time penalty to the both of you. |
| 2009-06-17 10:25 AM in reply to: #2224025 |
| Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: walking your bike in a race F1longhorn - 2009-06-17 10:21 AM IIRC the last rules meeting I went to the USAT official said that assistance from another competitor is legal as it's basically a time penalty to the both of you. If it's legal then why is there a time penalty? |
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