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 2009-08-06 8:11 AM |
Champion  10157    Alabama |  Subject: The perils of lane sharingI'm swimming along this morning when some guys asked if he can share a lane. "Sure, no problem." We swim 3 or 4 laps and manage to keep out of each other way. Then, as I'm coming back to the shallow end, I see he is just standing at the wall. As I get closer I think, man, he has really pretty legs....and then I look at his feel and, omg, this guy not only shaves his legs, he paints his toenails too...bright red!! Yikes!! As I came up, I see they it was a woman. They had pulled the old switcheroo on me! Lesson learned, if you LOL while you're face down in the water, you will take in a big gulp of pool water! ~Mike |
| 2009-08-06 8:15 AM in reply to: #2331225 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing Rogillio - 2009-08-06 9:11 AM I'm swimming along this morning when some guys asked if he can share a lane. "Sure, no problem." We swim 3 or 4 laps and manage to keep out of each other way. Then, as I'm coming back to the shallow end, I see he is just standing at the wall. As I get closer I think, man, he has really pretty legs....and then I look at his feel and, omg, this guy not only shaves his legs, he paints his toenails too...bright red!! Yikes!! As I came up, I see they it was a woman. They had pulled the old switcheroo on me! Lesson learned, if you LOL while you're face down in the water, you will take in a big gulp of pool water! ~Mike Good one! I think I saw that skit on Candid Camera... Some pretty lady was standing across the street trying to move a trunk and waving to guys to get them to help her and when they crossed the street, a truck would pull between them. She'd switch-out with a dude and when the guys got there they were like "WTF?" Water-up the nose was probably pretty funny to see too. |
| 2009-08-06 8:35 AM in reply to: #2331225 |
Master 1529  Living in the past | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing "Perils of..."?! Seems the outcome you got was to the plus side... |
| 2009-08-06 8:53 AM in reply to: #2331225 |
Champion 8766 Evergreen, Colorado | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing I actually hate when that happens. As far as I'm concerned anyone planning on getting in the lane needs to talk to all parties involved first...they shouldn't assume that they can just take the place of someone that was just sharing with me without at least asking me first. That isn't good etiquette. |
| 2009-08-06 8:57 AM in reply to: #2331340 |
| New user 476 | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing jldicarlo - 2009-08-06 9:53 AM I actually hate when that happens. As far as I'm concerned anyone planning on getting in the lane needs to talk to all parties involved first...they shouldn't assume that they can just take the place of someone that was just sharing with me without at least asking me first. That isn't good etiquette. When your heads down in the water you don't see anyone standing at the end of the pool. They were being polite by simply standing at the end in the water. VERY ACCEPTABLE IMO. You're at a public pool. You do not own a lane. You need to share with as many people that are there. Rude is when you're swimming half way back and there's someone swimming at you. That's rude. |
| 2009-08-06 9:02 AM in reply to: #2331351 |
Champion 8766 Evergreen, Colorado | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing JC5066 - 2009-08-06 8:57 AM jldicarlo - 2009-08-06 9:53 AM I actually hate when that happens. As far as I'm concerned anyone planning on getting in the lane needs to talk to all parties involved first...they shouldn't assume that they can just take the place of someone that was just sharing with me without at least asking me first. That isn't good etiquette. When your heads down in the water you don't see anyone standing at the end of the pool. They were being polite by simply standing at the end in the water. VERY ACCEPTABLE IMO. You're at a public pool. You do not own a lane. You need to share with as many people that are there. Rude is when you're swimming half way back and there's someone swimming at you. That's rude. Well yesterday I did have someone just jump in and take the place of the person getting out. And this IS RUDE. I don't care what you say. IT IS RUDE TO START SWIMMING WITH SOMEONE IN A LANE IF YOU DID NOT TALK TO THEM FIRST. Now, granted, the OP didn't say the person had already been swimming...I inferred that part...yes, just standing there waiting for your attention is FINE. But even at a public pool, while I may not own the lane, I am the person in there and I need to be coordinated with. YOU ALWAYS ASK FIRST! ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS. NEWBIES TAKE NOTE! And if I have a GOOD reason for not wanting to do more than split...i.e. deny circling for a GOOD reason...then I will. Patience is a wonderful thing. People should have some. |
| 2009-08-06 9:09 AM in reply to: #2331225 |
| New user 476 | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing Dude, relax. No one disagrees with you. You are taking the OP out of context. He said they were standing there. That is ok, which we agree on. We also agree it is rude to start swimming. No one ever mentioned that this person just took off swimming and no said anything about it being ok to just start swimming with-out talking to others in the lane. |
| 2009-08-06 9:13 AM in reply to: #2331385 |
Champion 8766 Evergreen, Colorado | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing JC5066 - 2009-08-06 9:09 AM Dude, relax. Then next time don't tell me that I'm at a public pool and I HAVE to share. That is giving newbies the wrong idea. Sharing has a whole etiquette associated with it and the last thing we need is a bunch of people walking around thinking that they can just go up to a pool and jump in because who gives a crap what the person in the lane thinks "they have have share." And the OP never said how long the set of legs was in the lane with him...I read his post as there was constantly someone swimming next to him and when he HAPPENED to finally look it HAPPENED to be at an end...for all we know the person HAD been swimming. When someone says they pulled the switcheroo, I am going to read that as there was no break in movement....as in someone was constantly swimming back and forth thus the party may have already done some laps before standing at the end. So unless the OP elaborates, we could both have correct interpretations. |
| 2009-08-06 9:18 AM in reply to: #2331225 |
Veteran 215 | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing At the 24 HR Fitness pool where I swim, this happens multiple times during my workout. But there aren't a lot of serious swimmers in that pool, so they don't stay long. Most just start swimming, and I've had more than a few clueless swimmers coming right toward me in my side of the lane. I had to swim around one guy and thought he'd get the message. But no, even though I kept to one side there he was coming right at me again with a stupid grin on his face. But yeah, there is often a new set of legs waiting at the end. |
| 2009-08-06 9:30 AM in reply to: #2331225 |
Expert 961 Illinois _ Chicago area | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing Not trying to hijack the thread, but this reminds me of a "funny" incident that happened to me a few weeks back. My sister and I were swimming in the outdoor lap pool of the club, sharing a lane. Suddenly, I look up and there's this man slowly breast stroking down the center of the lane. My sister is behind him, standing up with the WTF look on her face. I approach him and politely tell him that two people are already in the lane (there were other lanes with only one person). He ignores me and continues on. I follow and repeat myself. He replies "I don't understand English" and continues on. Now I"m mad. I follow him and attempt to make my self clear and to ask him to leave our lane, since circling would definately NOT work. "Sorry, I don't understand English" At this point I got out of the pool to get a guard. Hmmm...suddenly the guy finally understood me and got out of the lane. I really think he felt that if he continued and ignored us we would be the ones who left the lane. Yes, the perils of lane sharing. |
| 2009-08-06 12:46 PM in reply to: #2331362 |
| 309 | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing Lanes are hard to come by. You can fit three to a lane, especially if you circle swim. Ask every time before jumping in. Share every time you are asked. Period. Edited by nadaswimmer 2009-08-06 12:48 PM |
| 2009-08-06 12:51 PM in reply to: #2331362 |
Pro 5169 Burbs | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing jldicarlo - 2009-08-06 10:02 AM Well yesterday I did have someone just jump in and take the place of the person getting out. And this IS RUDE. I don't care what you say. IT IS RUDE TO START SWIMMING WITH SOMEONE IN A LANE IF YOU DID NOT TALK TO THEM FIRST. Now, granted, the OP didn't say the person had already been swimming...I inferred that part...yes, just standing there waiting for your attention is FINE. But even at a public pool, while I may not own the lane, I am the person in there and I need to be coordinated with. YOU ALWAYS ASK FIRST! ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS. NEWBIES TAKE NOTE! And if I have a GOOD reason for not wanting to do more than split...i.e. deny circling for a GOOD reason...then I will. Patience is a wonderful thing. People should have some. Wow... I would never say NO if someone else if they could share a lane. I HATE sharing lanes -- I would MUCH perfer to have my own ... but if I drove to the pool to swim, asked if I could split a lane or circle swim, and someone said NO, that would really, really suck. What would I do? Just sit there for another hour until a lane become open ? |
| 2009-08-06 1:07 PM in reply to: #2332102 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing trishie - 2009-08-06 2:51 PM jldicarlo - 2009-08-06 10:02 AM Well yesterday I did have someone just jump in and take the place of the person getting out. And this IS RUDE. I don't care what you say. IT IS RUDE TO START SWIMMING WITH SOMEONE IN A LANE IF YOU DID NOT TALK TO THEM FIRST. Now, granted, the OP didn't say the person had already been swimming...I inferred that part...yes, just standing there waiting for your attention is FINE. But even at a public pool, while I may not own the lane, I am the person in there and I need to be coordinated with. YOU ALWAYS ASK FIRST! ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS. NEWBIES TAKE NOTE! And if I have a GOOD reason for not wanting to do more than split...i.e. deny circling for a GOOD reason...then I will. Patience is a wonderful thing. People should have some. Wow... I would never say NO if someone else if they could share a lane. I HATE sharing lanes -- I would MUCH perfer to have my own ... but if I drove to the pool to swim, asked if I could split a lane or circle swim, and someone said NO, that would really, really suck. What would I do? Just sit there for another hour until a lane become open ? Agreed - Wow. I'm pretty sure that if someone told me that they refused to circle swim my response would be "I guess you had better leave then". I agree with the always ask/inform first but refusing to share or circle is not an acceptable response and neither is saying be patient. I get to the pool at 7am and have to be at work for 8:15 - no time to be patient there. |
| 2009-08-06 1:31 PM in reply to: #2331469 |
Veteran 318 Indianapolis | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing suzimmer - 2009-08-06 9:30 AM Not trying to hijack the thread, but this reminds me of a "funny" incident that happened to me a few weeks back. My sister and I were swimming in the outdoor lap pool of the club, sharing a lane. Suddenly, I look up and there's this man slowly breast stroking down the center of the lane. My sister is behind him, standing up with the WTF look on her face. I approach him and politely tell him that two people are already in the lane (there were other lanes with only one person). He ignores me and continues on. I follow and repeat myself. He replies "I don't understand English" and continues on. Now I"m mad. I follow him and attempt to make my self clear and to ask him to leave our lane, since circling would definately NOT work. "Sorry, I don't understand English" At this point I got out of the pool to get a guard. Hmmm...suddenly the guy finally understood me and got out of the lane. I really think he felt that if he continued and ignored us we would be the ones who left the lane. Yes, the perils of lane sharing. Wow! So this guy was swimming down the center of the lane when you two were already in it?? Yeah, after the first "I don't understand English" I think I would've had to practice my OWS swim over a guy technique. (I would never do that in an actual OWS, but for this guy I would practice it anyway.) I am so lucky where I go. I am blessed by the pool Gods I guess. I have had no issues. (Knocking on wood now) |
| 2009-08-06 1:35 PM in reply to: #2332102 |
Champion 10157 Alabama | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing trishie - 2009-08-06 12:51 PM jldicarlo - 2009-08-06 10:02 AM Well yesterday I did have someone just jump in and take the place of the person getting out. And this IS RUDE. I don't care what you say. IT IS RUDE TO START SWIMMING WITH SOMEONE IN A LANE IF YOU DID NOT TALK TO THEM FIRST. Now, granted, the OP didn't say the person had already been swimming...I inferred that part...yes, just standing there waiting for your attention is FINE. But even at a public pool, while I may not own the lane, I am the person in there and I need to be coordinated with. YOU ALWAYS ASK FIRST! ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS. NEWBIES TAKE NOTE! And if I have a GOOD reason for not wanting to do more than split...i.e. deny circling for a GOOD reason...then I will. Patience is a wonderful thing. People should have some. Wow... I would never say NO if someone else if they could share a lane. I HATE sharing lanes -- I would MUCH perfer to have my own ... but if I drove to the pool to swim, asked if I could split a lane or circle swim, and someone said NO, that would really, really suck. What would I do? Just sit there for another hour until a lane become open ? I have never had anyone tell me 'no' when I asked to share a lane. The worst I ever got was a disgrunted dirty look and a nod. I can't imagine anyone saying "no" to a request to lane share...unless of course there are 8 open lanes and you're asking the only person swimming - who happens to be in a skimpy bikini - if you can share her lane. Uh...not that I would ever do that....just sayin'. ~Mike |
| 2009-08-06 1:36 PM in reply to: #2332102 |
Champion 8766 Evergreen, Colorado | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing trishie - 2009-08-06 12:51 PM jldicarlo - 2009-08-06 10:02 AM Well yesterday I did have someone just jump in and take the place of the person getting out. And this IS RUDE. I don't care what you say. IT IS RUDE TO START SWIMMING WITH SOMEONE IN A LANE IF YOU DID NOT TALK TO THEM FIRST. Now, granted, the OP didn't say the person had already been swimming...I inferred that part...yes, just standing there waiting for your attention is FINE. But even at a public pool, while I may not own the lane, I am the person in there and I need to be coordinated with. YOU ALWAYS ASK FIRST! ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS. NEWBIES TAKE NOTE! And if I have a GOOD reason for not wanting to do more than split...i.e. deny circling for a GOOD reason...then I will. Patience is a wonderful thing. People should have some. Wow... I would never say NO if someone else if they could share a lane. I HATE sharing lanes -- I would MUCH perfer to have my own ... but if I drove to the pool to swim, asked if I could split a lane or circle swim, and someone said NO, that would really, really suck. What would I do? Just sit there for another hour until a lane become open ? I never said anything about refusing to SPLIT. I would never turn down someone who wanted to split. But circle swimming really only works if you don't give a rat's butt about your workout or if you're all doing the SAME workout. Otherwise, you're just going to get into each other's way. PERIOD. So if I'm doing a slow, not-paced base workout, yes...I will happily split. But if I am doing a TT to get paces, or trying to hit intervals on certain paces and take off on specific times...I have no problem asking you to find a lane that is a better fit than circling in mine. Or if you insist, I'll do fly until you leave the lane. Again, all of this only applies to CIRCLE swimming. I share lanes almost every time I swim. I simply find circle swimming incompatible with many of my workouts. And honestly...it hasn't ever come up. EVER. IN all my time swimming in all the pools I've been in, the coincidence of me having that kind of workout and the pool being super crowded just doesn't happen. Bsides, at my pool if people see two per lane they just sit on the side and wait for someone to get out...because everybody knows that circle swimming is a PITA and nobody wants to do it. And yes...be patient. I see people get into an out of lanes in my pool every 5-15 minutes. If you can't wait 5 minutes, get to the pool earlier so that you have the time to wait 5 minutes. |
| 2009-08-06 1:42 PM in reply to: #2332156 |
| 286 | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing axteraa - 2009-08-06 1:07 PM trishie - 2009-08-06 2:51 PM jldicarlo - 2009-08-06 10:02 AM Well yesterday I did have someone just jump in and take the place of the person getting out. And this IS RUDE. I don't care what you say. IT IS RUDE TO START SWIMMING WITH SOMEONE IN A LANE IF YOU DID NOT TALK TO THEM FIRST. Now, granted, the OP didn't say the person had already been swimming...I inferred that part...yes, just standing there waiting for your attention is FINE. But even at a public pool, while I may not own the lane, I am the person in there and I need to be coordinated with. YOU ALWAYS ASK FIRST! ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS. NEWBIES TAKE NOTE! And if I have a GOOD reason for not wanting to do more than split...i.e. deny circling for a GOOD reason...then I will. Patience is a wonderful thing. People should have some. Wow... I would never say NO if someone else if they could share a lane. I HATE sharing lanes -- I would MUCH perfer to have my own ... but if I drove to the pool to swim, asked if I could split a lane or circle swim, and someone said NO, that would really, really suck. What would I do? Just sit there for another hour until a lane become open ? Agreed - Wow. I'm pretty sure that if someone told me that they refused to circle swim my response would be "I guess you had better leave then". I agree with the always ask/inform first but refusing to share or circle is not an acceptable response and neither is saying be patient. I get to the pool at 7am and have to be at work for 8:15 - no time to be patient there. "Asking" to join the lane is just the courteous way of "telling" the people you're joining. Now, there are situations where the lane's speed may not be appropriate for the swimmer entering, but then you tell the lifeguard. If there are 2,3, even 4 in the lane and that one works for me, I'm in. I'm not going to sit there like a lonely pull buoy on the deck. I will not be denied my lane! ha!  |
| 2009-08-06 1:43 PM in reply to: #2332254 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing jldicarlo - 2009-08-06 3:36 PM trishie - 2009-08-06 12:51 PM jldicarlo - 2009-08-06 10:02 AM Well yesterday I did have someone just jump in and take the place of the person getting out. And this IS RUDE. I don't care what you say. IT IS RUDE TO START SWIMMING WITH SOMEONE IN A LANE IF YOU DID NOT TALK TO THEM FIRST. Now, granted, the OP didn't say the person had already been swimming...I inferred that part...yes, just standing there waiting for your attention is FINE. But even at a public pool, while I may not own the lane, I am the person in there and I need to be coordinated with. YOU ALWAYS ASK FIRST! ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS. NEWBIES TAKE NOTE! And if I have a GOOD reason for not wanting to do more than split...i.e. deny circling for a GOOD reason...then I will. Patience is a wonderful thing. People should have some. Wow... I would never say NO if someone else if they could share a lane. I HATE sharing lanes -- I would MUCH perfer to have my own ... but if I drove to the pool to swim, asked if I could split a lane or circle swim, and someone said NO, that would really, really suck. What would I do? Just sit there for another hour until a lane become open ? I never said anything about refusing to SPLIT. I would never turn down someone who wanted to split. But circle swimming really only works if you don't give a rat's butt about your workout or if you're all doing the SAME workout. Otherwise, you're just going to get into each other's way. PERIOD. So if I'm doing a slow, not-paced base workout, yes...I will happily split. But if I am doing a TT to get paces, or trying to hit intervals on certain paces and take off on specific times...I have no problem asking you to find a lane that is a better fit than circling in mine. Or if you insist, I'll do fly until you leave the lane. Again, all of this only applies to CIRCLE swimming. I share lanes almost every time I swim. I simply find circle swimming incompatible with many of my workouts. And honestly...it hasn't ever come up. EVER. IN all my time swimming in all the pools I've been in, the coincidence of me having that kind of workout and the pool being super crowded just doesn't happen. Bsides, at my pool if people see two per lane they just sit on the side and wait for someone to get out...because everybody knows that circle swimming is a PITA and nobody wants to do it. And yes...be patient. I see people get into an out of lanes in my pool every 5-15 minutes. If you can't wait 5 minutes, get to the pool earlier so that you have the time to wait 5 minutes. Interesting that your workout is more important that anyone else's. Oh and if you want to do fly for your workout with me in the lane, no problem. I've done workouts with 6 people in the same lane doing fly so bring it on. |
| 2009-08-06 1:46 PM in reply to: #2331287 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing Force - 2009-08-06 6:35 AM "Perils of..."?! Seems the outcome you got was to the plus side... x2 |
| 2009-08-06 1:46 PM in reply to: #2331225 |
| Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing what's with all the yelling? It's just swimming fer chrissakes |
| 2009-08-06 1:51 PM in reply to: #2332281 |
| 286 | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing ChrisM - 2009-08-06 1:46 PM what's with all the yelling? It's just swimming fer chrissakes HAHA! |
| 2009-08-06 1:52 PM in reply to: #2331225 |
| Member 92 Ireland | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing Personally I don't expect people to ask me to have to share a lane. There's normally rules on the walls etc to determine lane behaviour for multiple people in the lane, which direction to go and not to stop mid-length. I'm lucky in that i used to be competitive in my early teens so even after coming back after 10 years people just say "***k it" and won't bother coming into a lane with me. If they do i don't mind, as long as they stick to the rules. Hell, the way I look at it is that it as realistic to open water training you can get, you'll get very good at sighting have perverted men/women bearing down on you with breastroke all the time, and personally I love swimming in the lanes when the water buffalo classes are on, when they do those wall kicks it's like an awesome wave machine, all of a sudden i'm eating water, having to change breathing to my offside on every other length. It's GREAT! :D |
| 2009-08-06 1:59 PM in reply to: #2331225 |
Master 1993 Riverside, IL | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing This topic has been covered before...but wow, I guess I swim at a RUDE pool. I swim at a public outdoor 50m pool with 8 lanes. There is a dedicated lap swim M,W,F from 9-10:15am, so it can get pretty crowded at times. The lanes are divided up - 3 slow, 3 medium, 2 fast. EVERY lane is a circle swim...period. It is not uncommon to be sharing a lane with 6 or more people at times! Yes, some of them are backstroking, breaststroking, doggy paddling, sculling, dolphin diving, whatever...you never really know what kind of swimmers your gonna end up sharing a lane with. NOBODY ever asks about sharing a lane...it is ASSUMED. You just pick a lane and start swimming...that's it. If you don't like the lane you are in because it's moving too slowly for you...then you jump to another lane...no asking required. If I need to pass a slow swimmer in front of me, I will either pass by swimming around them if it's clear on either side to do so...or I'll just simply move over to the next lane for that length, and then move back to my original lane when I get to the wall (and in front of the swimmer I intended to pass). It's not rocket science...like ChrisM said...it's just swimming. |
| 2009-08-06 2:01 PM in reply to: #2332298 |
Champion 8766 Evergreen, Colorado | Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing jdevito20 - 2009-08-06 1:51 PM ChrisM - 2009-08-06 1:46 PM HAHA!what's with all the yelling? It's just swimming fer chrissakes Are we only allowed to yell if discussing whether to say "on your left" or not? Bottom line. The first person in the lane does have some "right" to the lane. Yes, asking to split is generally accepted to be a completely rhetorical question and more of a warning/coordination. However, the person in the lane is also generally given the right to choose between circle and split...since as previously stated, they are in the lane and have some "right" to it. If they chose circle and I could not talk them into split, I would move on to a different lane or just wait. Now, if there are already two splitting a lane....If I saw two people sharing a lane and asked them to circle (something that will never happen because as previously stated I find that circle swimming does not work well unless you are all doing the same workout but let's use our imaginations) I would absolutely NOT be offended if they said it wouldn't work with their workout and would prefer if I tried to use a different lane. Wouldn't bother me in the least. Because it isn't "just swimming fer chrissakes". I understand that they might have a very specific workout they are trying to do and circling with me would be a detriment. So no, my workout isn't more important than anyone else's. I would expect someone else to honor my request in this situation and I would honor theirs. |
| 2009-08-06 2:03 PM in reply to: #2332347 |
| Subject: RE: The perils of lane sharing jldicarlo - 2009-08-06 12:01 PM jdevito20 - 2009-08-06 1:51 PM ChrisM - 2009-08-06 1:46 PM HAHA!what's with all the yelling? It's just swimming fer chrissakes Are we only allowed to yell if discussing whether to say "on your left" or not? 1. I've no idea what you are talking about 2. Trying to bring a little civility to a benign topic 3. Honestly? the yelling (in internet etiquette, ALL CAPS is yelling) is a bit rude to the people you are responding to But hey, what do I know? |
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