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2008-08-25 8:42 PM

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I figured I had to post my rant here because it really sucked the life out of me over the past week or so.

I'm a clyde and I have simply grown tired of being looked at like I don't belong at events.  My last race was a 70.3 (which I was only doing aquabike because I'm injured) and simply put it sucked.  The race was fine but the attitudes (especially at packet pickup) have made me decide to skip any long course events until I conform.  I was so turned off that I really wanted to DNS and didn't get into the race until mile 10 of the bike which meant a fairly long day.  I couldn't even fill out a race report because I was just dragging.  

I'm tired of going for rides with my wife and having people stare at me like I'm a clown on fire jumping my unicycle over 18 school buses and then hear them shout encouragement to her because she looks like a triathlete.  

I guess I'm just bummed over idiots but from time to time it gets to be too much.  I know I should just get over it but honestly tell me that someone else feels the same way.  This sport should be fun but it seems to me that the longer courses have an expectation of appearance that when not met does not go well.   



2008-08-25 9:14 PM
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Wow - I did the HyVee Olympic distance triathlon and was amazed that I was neither the largest or oddest shaped person. So hearing your 70.3 story is a huge bummer - as that is not what triathlons are supposed to be about. It is all about challenging yourself - and if it is within reach shoot for the podium. Sounds like there was something cliquish

I just did a tri this Sunday and was amazed at the support - it was really terrific to have some many people there rooting me on at various points. After reading your rant I feel crushed for you.

Now - I can relate because I entered a time trial and did not have on any team gear or a super time trial bike and it was a short TT (7.5 miles) and those roadies were extremely cliquey and acted like they "owned" the road and there were a handful of snide comments - but I still did it and I look forward to doing next months TT - why? I think the last words in your sig line spell it out exactly: F#&* them.

My wife is a much more triathlete looking person and I drag my 260 pound 5'8" frame around the course like I am being chased by crippled old people..... but all the wheezing is coming from me and most of the limping too....but I don't do it for any of the "regular crowd" or any of the other "conformist triathletes" I do it for 4 people - me, the wife, and my 2 daughters. Anyone else not liking it.... well that is fuel for the fire (and as you know - us Clyde's need a LOT of fuel) so use the experience to stoke the fire and mentally give them the bird.... plus a farmer blow when you pass 'em on the bike also helps!

So --- F*CK THEM!!
2008-08-25 9:15 PM
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WOW!  A clown on fire jumping his unicycle over 18 school buses.  I would pay good money to see that.  On the other hand an overweight triathlete is no big deal.

So how much weight are you going to loose before you go long again? 10 pounds? 20 pounds? 100 pounds?  If you are not comfortable with yourself now then chances are you will not be comfortable with a lighter you.

I'm sorry that you ran into some a-holes but don't write off triathlons just because of it.  Everyone knows that a-holes are full of s... 

edit to add:  Clyde since forever...IM Clyde since 2004 to current.



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2008-08-25 9:47 PM
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Sorry to hear that you have gotten bad vibes from fellow triathletes. My first few triathlons, I have to say, I was really self conscious about how I looked. If anything though, the glances people gave me felt more like "man, that guy must have to really work it to finish a tri" rather than "what the hell is he doing out here". I also heard a lot of encouragement along the run course as people went by.

For anyone that ever gave me any other type of look, x2 on the F-em. 

Maybe part of the different experience is that I only attempted sprint distances before I'd lost a substantial amount of weight. Not that it excuses anyone being a jerk, but maybe the expectation of appearance you mention is exaggerated on the longer courses.

The best revenge is to train hard and see what kind of expression they have when you pass them. 

2008-08-25 10:34 PM
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Not starting (and or doggin' it because of a bad attitude) may just prove they are right. 

On the other hand, kickin' it from start to finish proves that you are right - even if it is only to yourself.  

2008-08-26 8:34 AM
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You go get em. Just sign up and let your body type encourage others. My only disappointment is that because of my size, my run has and always will, stink so people generally assume I'm a first-timer. Oh well.


2008-08-26 10:05 AM
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I guess my biggest rant is that when I paid $215 I didn't expect to get dogged by the people at packet pickup or the sponsors.  I honestly believe that when the events get higher profile they tend to bring out a less pleasant group of people.  I went with my wife and son to her women's tri packet pickup and while I got some looks it certainly wasn't the same (and I was a guy at women's tri).

It's likely worse since I live on one of the courses that I raced on this year and therefore was subject to @sshats for weeks instead of a day.  Additionally for this race I had additional responsibilities so I therefore had more exposure.  

Maybe I'm the only one who doesn't want to have to get pissed off to race.  This is supposed to be fun.  For me the long course was not worth the hassle.  I'm sure different tri's have different results.         

2008-08-26 2:52 PM
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You had a bad experience, probably in part due to some jerks you encountered. Is it at least possible, however, that some of your PERCEPTION about how you were treated may be in your own view of yourself...

Your perception of how you were treated is consistent with your reaction not to do this anymore. It's a defeatist attitude... whereas I suspect that 90+% of the people that see you out there slogging away at something that is much harder for you than someone who ways 130 pounds are generally inspired.

I'm down about 25 pounds from my max, and ideally could lose 25 more. So I'm not huge and no one stares at me (although they're not admiring my beer gut hanging hover my race belt either)... but I know that every time I see someone out there who is OUT THERE when everything about them would make you predict they wouldn't be, I'm definitely impressed and inspired.  And MOST people I talk to feel the same way.

I was running on a treatmill once and a morbidly obese man came and started walk/jogging on the one next to me... almost no forward progress while I cruised along at 8:00 miles.  I gave him a smile, and he looked sheepishly back at me and said he was SORRY.  I don't know for what, but I told him to rock on and there was nothing to be sorry for.

Anyway - I have no doubt you were unfortunately treated poorly... but I'd recommend taking this opportunity to evaluate what your response says about your underlying self-image and attitude about coming to this sport.  I know there's a lot of bad-a$$ rock star in there or you wouldn't be out there in the first place... harness some of that energy and get out there and tear up the course, whatever that means for you... and whether those a$$-hats realize it or not you'll be putting THEM to shame.

Keep at it man... maybe they're just jealous that you get to shag your hottie triathlete wife whenever you want!!!

2008-08-26 3:03 PM
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^^^^^^ What he said, x 1,000.  It's very wise.  Print it out if you need to
2008-08-26 3:39 PM
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JoshKaptur - 2008-08-26 3:52 PM

You had a bad experience, probably in part due to some jerks you encountered. Is it at least possible, however, that some of your PERCEPTION about how you were treated may be in your own view of yourself...

Your perception of how you were treated is consistent with your reaction not to do this anymore. It's a defeatist attitude... whereas I suspect that 90+% of the people that see you out there slogging away at something that is much harder for you than someone who ways 130 pounds are generally inspired.

I'm down about 25 pounds from my max, and ideally could lose 25 more. So I'm not huge and no one stares at me (although they're not admiring my beer gut hanging hover my race belt either)... but I know that every time I see someone out there who is OUT THERE when everything about them would make you predict they wouldn't be, I'm definitely impressed and inspired.  And MOST people I talk to feel the same way.

I was running on a treatmill once and a morbidly obese man came and started walk/jogging on the one next to me... almost no forward progress while I cruised along at 8:00 miles.  I gave him a smile, and he looked sheepishly back at me and said he was SORRY.  I don't know for what, but I told him to rock on and there was nothing to be sorry for.

Anyway - I have no doubt you were unfortunately treated poorly... but I'd recommend taking this opportunity to evaluate what your response says about your underlying self-image and attitude about coming to this sport.  I know there's a lot of bad-a$$ rock star in there or you wouldn't be out there in the first place... harness some of that energy and get out there and tear up the course, whatever that means for you... and whether those a$$-hats realize it or not you'll be putting THEM to shame.

Keep at it man... maybe they're just jealous that you get to shag your hottie triathlete wife whenever you want!!!

I'm not giving up triathlon.  I'm simply giving up long course events for now.  I enjoy the swimming and biking (and when I'm not hurt running).  So this doesn't happen to other people.  Great thanks for validating that.  I will manage my perceptions.    

2008-08-27 12:32 PM
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While I have been fortunate not to have someone say anything but encouragement to me at a race and my LBS I was on the road Sunday about 48 miles into my 53 mile ride when a car pulled up to me at a stop light rocking out.  The guy gave me a shout and apparently wanted me to get into the gangsta rap coming out of the car.  I don't care for it so I just half smiled and then the light turned green.  I got up out of my saddle to get started and hear the guy yell "Fat *ss" at me.  Wow, that hurt.  Of course I wanted to go back after them and tell them that this fat *ss has been riding for over 3 hours (kinda slow day) while they're sitting on theirs doing nothing.  But it still hurt.  I know inside that I'm better than that and I'm not the stereotypical overweight person but those kinds of comments do cut hard.  I try to manage my reactions and instead of letting it stop me from my dreams I make it push me harder. 

And if it's event people or volunteers making remarks or treating you poorly I'd let the race director know.  I'm guessing they wouldn't be happy to hear that's going on.  



2008-08-27 4:12 PM
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It is harder for you than it is for them. If anyone should look at anyone else with any sort of pity it should be you looking at them. At least that is how I feel whenever I get a look, which is not as often as it used to be but still happens.

I read your thing about the guy from PTS on your blog and that really blows.

At the end of the day I would suggest, however, that you do this for you. You may also do it for how your family and friends percieve you. Other people will percieve us as however they want, even if they are in the triathlon community.

Also, and I really think this is true, most people do not give two sh*ts about what it is we do or why we are doing it or who we are or what we look like, even other triathletes. Most people are far too busy worrying about themselves and what others are thinking of them to even concider other people.

2008-08-27 4:24 PM
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Dude, relax and remember that if "they" took on our load, "they" could not do what "we" do as well as "we" do it.

I often thought the same way you did, but frick-I am a former BigTen Lineman doing triathlons.  How many of "them" can say that?  Not many.  Frick!

On to my other feelings...I can do "their" sport better than "they" could ever do at my sport.  So I feel good everytime I start and I finish.  I will let them play fantasy football! 

As I was leaving my last Oly, I saw a very heavy set lady still on the run...perhaps 2hrs since I finished.  My assessment of her was she couldn't give two sh!ts about what anyone thought of her...she was out there finishing a triathlon.

BUT I DO WANT TO SEE YOU JUMP OVER 18 SCHOOL BUSES! 

2008-08-27 4:30 PM
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i have read through this a few times now, i am able to relate from both sides. I was a skinny kid through highscool and college, and always wondered why people were heavy or just plain big. I was a late bloomer and as life goes on so did a few more inches and 120 lbs.  fit and trimness went out the door, and now i understand what they were going through. I am now a full fledge Clyde and probably will be forever. I thought that maybe my life was going to be regulated to low impact sports such as golf. Reading the threads here started by guys like you and others, gave me the courage and desire to get back in shape regardless of my size, and fitness level, and without guys like you to be my inspiration from your successes, alot of guys like me may have never had the courage and desire to get back into shape. I would love to take those "lookers" and put them in my body for a day, let them feel what we feel, the aches, pains, feelings, frustrations etc., then see how they react after doing it, I would be they would be a little kinder. So next time you think you are out of place cause someone gave you a "look", just remember you are an inspiration to a lot of us here and at the race, and we have to work harder and longer to be the atheletes we want to be. Nothing is given and everything is worked for. Remember there are only a few lookers and alot of people that you are an ispiration too.

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2008-08-27 5:01 PM
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The best line I ever heard was from another Clydesdale as we were about to start IMAZ this past April.  It was my 2nd IM and his first.   We were waiting to jump in the water in a mass of very fit people when someone made a comment about us being big and doing an IM and my buddy just looked at them and said, "Just because you HAVE a better shape doesn't mean you are IN better shape"  I thought of that line as I passed those "fit" athletes sitting on the ground, in whatever shade they could find, and quitting.  My buddy and I went on to finish that race and came to find out afterwards that the person who provoked the line DNF'ed.  Two things I learned that day.  #1:  Don't let anyone tell you what you can and cannot achieve.  #2:  Karma goes around, good and bad.  Make sure you are spreading the good kind or it will catch-up to you later.
2008-08-28 11:34 AM
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mkmbharris - 2008-08-27 6:01 PM The best line I ever heard was from another Clydesdale as we were about to start IMAZ this past April.  It was my 2nd IM and his first.   We were waiting to jump in the water in a mass of very fit people when someone made a comment about us being big and doing an IM and my buddy just looked at them and said, "Just because you HAVE a better shape doesn't mean you are IN better shape"  I thought of that line as I passed those "fit" athletes sitting on the ground, in whatever shade they could find, and quitting.  My buddy and I went on to finish that race and came to find out afterwards that the person who provoked the line DNF'ed.  Two things I learned that day.  #1:  Don't let anyone tell you what you can and cannot achieve.  #2:  Karma goes around, good and bad.  Make sure you are spreading the good kind or it will catch-up to you later.

 

Sweet anecdote dude! Thanks for sharing!



2008-08-28 1:53 PM
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No matter what you look like, A**hats will always find some reason to say cruel Sh**. I live in a college town and all the hip fit frat boys drive around and I have had eggs thrown at me slushies thrown at me and more comments than I can count. I am huge at 309lbs 5'11" so I do not conform as you say. I have not been under 200 since 8th grade. Screw the people that say mean stuff. They are just talkig to a mirror and the nasty glances are into a mirror. They hate something inside of themselves and that will make them tear down anyone who makes them look bad. It is easy for a trim and fit person to do what we have to work 100x harder for. But at the and of the day we are all TRIATHLETES.

I find a sick little pleasure in my head knowing that I could crush those little people. There will come a day when they are old and flabby and all around unatractive and that is the day when there outside will look like they have looked inside forever.

May God bless you and help you find peace with yourself.
2008-08-28 7:35 PM
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I look at it this way.

We may be big, but we can lose weight. There's no cure for being an A**hole.
2008-08-28 8:39 PM
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ChrisM - 2008-08-26 3:03 PM

^^^^^^ What he said, x 1,000.  It's very wise.  Print it out if you need to


x 2,000!

I'm a clyde as well, so I know where you're coming from. Keep your head up, and remember that you're out there to be HEALTHY and HAVE A GOOD TIME. Who the hell cares what some ignorant a-holes think about you?
2008-08-29 12:37 AM
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I think you should just lose weight, you'll feel better.

LOL! Sorry, I couldn't resist. That sucks that you are feeling that way. I think we all experience times of inadequacy or feeling incompetent or whatever. I'm going through that in a different world - I'm spending a lot of time on an Ivy League college campus (the green one, you know which one I mean), and fluctuate hard between, "Why didn't I know what this school was like?! I would have loved it here!" and "Wow, look at all the EGOS!" I definitely feel inadequate on campus, and when I talk to people there, feel like they are talking down to me, despite my bachelor's and master's from good schools. I'm totally smart enough to hang with them, but I feel inferior.

Is it my perception? Well yeah, duh. I live inside my own head, so of course it is my perception. Doesn't change the fact that it hurts. But I keep plugging away and getting to know people there and will hopefully someday land a job there. You know you can tri (or aquabike for now), Chris. You know you have an amazing gift - to empower and support your wife to do Danskin. She wouldn't be where she is without you. She wouldn't be that hot triathlete without you. Are those a**holes supporting their spouses even half as well as you support yours? Doesn't make the comments hurt any less, but you make sure as he!! that you hold your head up high. And when you are out training, you ride right on past those people making comments and know that you may look funny in spandex, but they look a heck of a lot stupider on their riding lawnmowers and sitting in front of the tv.
2008-08-29 1:48 PM
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Agreed. *MOST* people are very supportive. Don't let a few ignorant, rude people throw you off your game. This is what you love to do. Do it for yourself and how it makes you feel.


2008-08-29 1:54 PM
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Dont give up on the long races, just find NEW races that are more of a "party" atmosphere that MOST people are their to finish and have fun.   Don't let the a**holes get you down on what YOU love to do.
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Blagels - 2008-08-28 9:39 PM
ChrisM - 2008-08-26 3:03 PM ^^^^^^ What he said, x 1,000. It's very wise. Print it out if you need to
x 2,000!....Who the hell cares what some ignorant a-holes think about you?

x 3000?

Let me share my perception of this as I've been doing tris 5 years and struggled with the same thing.

When I started I weighed about 190 and felt really like I didn't belong. My first tri I didn't have fun. Some folks were very kind to me but those I call "the 4%" guys with 4% body fat, intimidated me and I felt like I was invading their party and didn't like me there.

Over time I made more and more friends, lost a bit more weight and kept at it. As you know I did my first IM this summer. My biggest fear is that those 4%er would intimidate me and make me feel like I didn't belong. When I went up to Lake Placid and trained I felt so out of place...and like why was I do an Ironman when I am not fast.

I specifically worked on being mentally positive and my goal was to feel like I did belong..I had done the training...I belonged..I toed the line with all the athletes ready to do my first Ironman.

In time I've come to believe it was me more than them and my feelings about myself not belonging. I was fat for so long and not athletic. I often view or viewed myself that way. I can only control how I feel and how I perceive things.

Are you really going to let a comment or two to change your goals or what you want to do? Is that really what you want to teach your son? Who really cares what others think?

I don't know what was said or how many folks said things to you. If you don't fit the norm often folks are surprised and may say something very hurtful but with no bad intention.

I was amazed come Ironman weekend how kind and supportive everyone was to me. I felt like a belonged and even fast folks if I said anything doubting they would stop me and say very positive and encouraging things.

 You train, you have the desire, you can do whatever you set your mind to. Don't let a comment or two or five keep you from what you want to do.

2008-09-01 7:37 PM
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Christris - 2008-08-25 9:42 PM

 The race was fine but the attitudes (especially at packet pickup) have made me decide to skip any long course events until I conform.   



I dunno, I'd be tempted to complain to the race director about rude ppl at packet pick up. Don't know that it would do any good. but shouldn't they be briefed and told to be courteous to everyone?

oh, i'm not sure the yells at your wife are encouragment... does she think they are? it's been a long time since i've gotten encouraging yells while out training. lots of honks and disturbing yells. maybe that's what i get for living in the boonies of VA. then again, i don't look like a stereotypical triathlete either. less so once i start looking more pregnant, haha.
2008-09-01 11:23 PM
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well if you do not go long maybe I should not go long either. yet to break 8 hours for a him, and it sucks because more and more races are moving to a 8 hour time limit.

long is more much. You get more bang for your buck.

look at me

11 marathons
6 ultra marathons
6 half marathons
1 10k
2 5k

tris its
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3 sprints ( not even 1 sprint this year).

Seem big guys can go long.

If you give up the long stuff maybe I should too
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