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This seems to be turning a lot of heads: http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/19/tech/web/marissa-mayer-vogue/index.ht...

As a female in a geekier company than Yahoo I think it's awesome! I think she looks fabulous and I hope a few boys who teased her in high school for being a geek are drooling right now.


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one day a woman running a tech company won't be news...a girl can dream.

 

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Nice

I need to submit a copy of my TPS report to her

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This seems to be turning a lot of heads: http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/19/tech/web/marissa-mayer-vogue/index.ht...

As a female in a geekier company than Yahoo I think it's awesome! I think she looks fabulous and I hope a few boys who teased her in high school for being a geek are drooling right now.


I think it's a clever photo. The power, stylish blue suit, the tablet computer juxtaposed with what is typically a bikini model setting is great. It conveys the growth of her beyond sexual object.

It works: We're discussing it.
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I actually disagree a bit with this. I think there is a strong undercurrent of put your head down, do good work and don't stand out as a female that is not good.

Male CEOs are in the news all of the time- I think it's fine for women to break out and do the same. Heck Zuckerburg is always in the news. It's nice to see a powerful female in the news for being who she is- like it or not. It's time women who make it to the top get to enjoy the spoils of being there. A CEO in GQ would not be news.

I was reading a book last night about raising girls and it mentioned that girls often raised to be either competent or feminine. It was funny to read this the same day I saw that article- I think she's doing a great job of doing both.
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I made this comment in another thread, but it seems to fit in well here - there just seems to be this mentality that you can't be "girlie" (for lack of a better word) and be successful in a male dominated field. Having just gotten out of the Navy I saw it all the time - and I even did it - the need to prove yourself and lose who you are - in order to succeed.

I kind of noticed this (to slightly change topics) in the discussions about the D&B Ironman Purse - I would never buy it personally (not a D&B fan, i'm a Coach girl all the way) - but there were comments about female athletes not being taken seriously because of things like these purses - why can't I be an Ironman (although i'm not yet) and wear high heels, carry cute purses, get mani/pedi's etc...does the need to succeed in a male dominated field mean you have to push that to the side...

sorry for the ramblings - phd psychosis...lol! I REALLY wish I had gone into sports psych now...lol!


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I made this comment in another thread, but it seems to fit in well here - there just seems to be this mentality that you can't be "girlie" (for lack of a better word) and be successful in a male dominated field. Having just gotten out of the Navy I saw it all the time - and I even did it - the need to prove yourself and lose who you are - in order to succeed.

I kind of noticed this (to slightly change topics) in the discussions about the D&B Ironman Purse - I would never buy it personally (not a D&B fan, i'm a Coach girl all the way) - but there were comments about female athletes not being taken seriously because of things like these purses - why can't I be an Ironman (although i'm not yet) and wear high heels, carry cute purses, get mani/pedi's etc...does the need to succeed in a male dominated field mean you have to push that to the side...

sorry for the ramblings - phd psychosis...lol! I REALLY wish I had gone into sports psych now...lol!


People overthink sh*t. They need to stop doing that.

Women are women and men are men. Women shouldn't have to act like men to be successful.
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but there is that perception that they need to and as much as I HATE the saying, it is soo true, perception is reality
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Originally posted by austhokie I made this comment in another thread, but it seems to fit in well here - there just seems to be this mentality that you can't be "girlie" (for lack of a better word) and be successful in a male dominated field. Having just gotten out of the Navy I saw it all the time - and I even did it - the need to prove yourself and lose who you are - in order to succeed. I kind of noticed this (to slightly change topics) in the discussions about the D&B Ironman Purse - I would never buy it personally (not a D&B fan, i'm a Coach girl all the way) - but there were comments about female athletes not being taken seriously because of things like these purses - why can't I be an Ironman (although i'm not yet) and wear high heels, carry cute purses, get mani/pedi's etc...does the need to succeed in a male dominated field mean you have to push that to the side... sorry for the ramblings - phd psychosis...lol! I REALLY wish I had gone into sports psych now...lol!
People overthink sh*t. They need to stop doing that. Women are women and men are men. Women shouldn't have to act like men to be successful.

Women who look and act like women are more likely to be the object of sexual desires of men.  In the last few generations, these same men have been controlling the hiring/firing/promoting COC.  It has been, in a way, "easier" for women to side-step the BS if they eschew feminine things. 

BTW, what's up with the shoe choice for the shoot?  I don't pay attention to fashion too much (except I'm now enthralled my the man pouch panties), but those shoes scream bondage to me.  Seems like an interesting choice.
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Originally posted by austhokie I made this comment in another thread, but it seems to fit in well here - there just seems to be this mentality that you can't be "girlie" (for lack of a better word) and be successful in a male dominated field. Having just gotten out of the Navy I saw it all the time - and I even did it - the need to prove yourself and lose who you are - in order to succeed. I kind of noticed this (to slightly change topics) in the discussions about the D&B Ironman Purse - I would never buy it personally (not a D&B fan, i'm a Coach girl all the way) - but there were comments about female athletes not being taken seriously because of things like these purses - why can't I be an Ironman (although i'm not yet) and wear high heels, carry cute purses, get mani/pedi's etc...does the need to succeed in a male dominated field mean you have to push that to the side... sorry for the ramblings - phd psychosis...lol! I REALLY wish I had gone into sports psych now...lol!
People overthink sh*t. They need to stop doing that. Women are women and men are men. Women shouldn't have to act like men to be successful.

Women who look and act like women are more likely to be the object of sexual desires of men.  In the last few generations, these same men have been controlling the hiring/firing/promoting COC.  It has been, in a way, "easier" for women to side-step the BS if they eschew feminine things. 

BTW, what's up with the shoe choice for the shoot?  I don't pay attention to fashion too much (except I'm now enthralled my the man pouch panties), but those shoes scream bondage to me.  Seems like an interesting choice.
Says the woman who had her picture taken wearing red, thigh-high leather boots.
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Originally posted by mr2tony
Originally posted by austhokie I made this comment in another thread, but it seems to fit in well here - there just seems to be this mentality that you can't be "girlie" (for lack of a better word) and be successful in a male dominated field. Having just gotten out of the Navy I saw it all the time - and I even did it - the need to prove yourself and lose who you are - in order to succeed. I kind of noticed this (to slightly change topics) in the discussions about the D&B Ironman Purse - I would never buy it personally (not a D&B fan, i'm a Coach girl all the way) - but there were comments about female athletes not being taken seriously because of things like these purses - why can't I be an Ironman (although i'm not yet) and wear high heels, carry cute purses, get mani/pedi's etc...does the need to succeed in a male dominated field mean you have to push that to the side... sorry for the ramblings - phd psychosis...lol! I REALLY wish I had gone into sports psych now...lol!
People overthink sh*t. They need to stop doing that. Women are women and men are men. Women shouldn't have to act like men to be successful.

Women who look and act like women are more likely to be the object of sexual desires of men.  In the last few generations, these same men have been controlling the hiring/firing/promoting COC.  It has been, in a way, "easier" for women to side-step the BS if they eschew feminine things. 

BTW, what's up with the shoe choice for the shoot?  I don't pay attention to fashion too much (except I'm now enthralled my the man pouch panties), but those shoes scream bondage to me.  Seems like an interesting choice.

Says the woman who had her picture taken wearing red, thigh-high leather boots.

You make it sound like it was a choice, like I posed for it or something. 

And they were suede.



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Originally posted by mr2tony
Originally posted by austhokie I made this comment in another thread, but it seems to fit in well here - there just seems to be this mentality that you can't be "girlie" (for lack of a better word) and be successful in a male dominated field. Having just gotten out of the Navy I saw it all the time - and I even did it - the need to prove yourself and lose who you are - in order to succeed. I kind of noticed this (to slightly change topics) in the discussions about the D&B Ironman Purse - I would never buy it personally (not a D&B fan, i'm a Coach girl all the way) - but there were comments about female athletes not being taken seriously because of things like these purses - why can't I be an Ironman (although i'm not yet) and wear high heels, carry cute purses, get mani/pedi's etc...does the need to succeed in a male dominated field mean you have to push that to the side... sorry for the ramblings - phd psychosis...lol! I REALLY wish I had gone into sports psych now...lol!
People overthink sh*t. They need to stop doing that. Women are women and men are men. Women shouldn't have to act like men to be successful.

Women who look and act like women are more likely to be the object of sexual desires of men.  In the last few generations, these same men have been controlling the hiring/firing/promoting COC.  It has been, in a way, "easier" for women to side-step the BS if they eschew feminine things. 

BTW, what's up with the shoe choice for the shoot?  I don't pay attention to fashion too much (except I'm now enthralled my the man pouch panties), but those shoes scream bondage to me.  Seems like an interesting choice.

Says the woman who had her picture taken wearing red, thigh-high leather boots.

You make it sound like it was a choice, like I posed for it or something. 

And they were suede.

I was referring to your comment that her shoe choice screamed bondage. I would say red thigh-high leather (even if the leather was suede) boots are just begging to be paired with a whip, blindfold, and handcuffs.
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one day a woman running a tech company won't be news...a girl can dream.

 

I actually disagree a bit with this. I think there is a strong undercurrent of put your head down, do good work and don't stand out as a female that is not good. Male CEOs are in the news all of the time- I think it's fine for women to break out and do the same. Heck Zuckerburg is always in the news. It's nice to see a powerful female in the news for being who she is- like it or not. It's time women who make it to the top get to enjoy the spoils of being there. A CEO in GQ would not be news. I was reading a book last night about raising girls and it mentioned that girls often raised to be either competent or feminine. It was funny to read this the same day I saw that article- I think she's doing a great job of doing both.

i never said women shouldn't be in the news.  being a woman SHOULDN'T be the news.

she's in the news for being a woman - not for being a good CEO.  she's in the news for posing for vogue - not for innovating how things are done.  you will never see an article that says "wow - he CAN have it all - male CEO has a family AND a high power career!"

i can't wait for the day you no longer see the "she can have it all."



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but there is that perception that they need to and as much as I HATE the saying, it is soo true, perception is reality


Just because someone's perception is their reality doesn't mean that it has to be yours. Not to be a contrarian, but most of the successful female executives I know, and I know quite a few, didn't get where they are worrying much about what their handbags said about their ability to run a business.
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Originally posted by austhokie but there is that perception that they need to and as much as I HATE the saying, it is soo true, perception is reality
Just because someone's perception is their reality doesn't mean that it has to be yours. Not to be a contrarian, but most of the successful female executives I know, and I know quite a few, didn't get where they are worrying much about what their handbags said about their ability to run a business.

Just to muddy the waters a bit...

Sometimes a woman's ability to run a business is tied to her handbag--ok, maybe not her handbag, per se, but certainly her image.  Some of the top earning women in this country--Oprah and Martha Stewart come to mind first--have images that are very much their brand.  When your image is your brand and your brand is an inherent part of your company, it does in some way impact your ability to run a business.

I have friends in non-media based business who definitely work for companies that expect them to look and dress a very specific way, especially at the executive level. I'm not just talking about well-kempt and professional; I'm talking dressed at a whole different level.  A good friend of mine is a top executive for Sotheby's.  It is most certainly a part of her job to look and dress a particular way--a very feminine way, I might add--and costs her many thousands of dollars a year to do so.

Lots of women executives don't have to think about it much, but some do. It really depends on the kind of business they're running.

I would also say this is yet another arena where women get judged more critically than men.

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Originally posted by austhokie but there is that perception that they need to and as much as I HATE the saying, it is soo true, perception is reality
Just because someone's perception is their reality doesn't mean that it has to be yours. Not to be a contrarian, but most of the successful female executives I know, and I know quite a few, didn't get where they are worrying much about what their handbags said about their ability to run a business.

Just to muddy the waters a bit...

Sometimes a woman's ability to run a business is tied to her handbag--ok, maybe not her handbag, per se, but certainly her image.  Some of the top earning women in this country--Oprah and Martha Stewart come to mind first--have images that are very much their brand.  When your image is your brand and your brand is an inherent part of your company, it does in some way impact your ability to run a business.

I have friends in non-media based business who definitely work for companies that expect them to look and dress a very specific way, especially at the executive level. I'm not just talking about well-kempt and professional; I'm talking dressed at a whole different level.  A good friend of mine is a top executive for Sotheby's.  It is most certainly a part of her job to look and dress a particular way--a very feminine way, I might add--and costs her many thousands of dollars a year to do so.

Lots of women executives don't have to think about it much, but some do. It really depends on the kind of business they're running.

I would also say this is yet another arena where women get judged more critically than men.




The executives at a luxury brand such as Sotheby's can't shop at Kohls despite being male or female.


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Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn
Originally posted by austhokie but there is that perception that they need to and as much as I HATE the saying, it is soo true, perception is reality
Just because someone's perception is their reality doesn't mean that it has to be yours. Not to be a contrarian, but most of the successful female executives I know, and I know quite a few, didn't get where they are worrying much about what their handbags said about their ability to run a business.

Just to muddy the waters a bit...

Sometimes a woman's ability to run a business is tied to her handbag--ok, maybe not her handbag, per se, but certainly her image.  Some of the top earning women in this country--Oprah and Martha Stewart come to mind first--have images that are very much their brand.  When your image is your brand and your brand is an inherent part of your company, it does in some way impact your ability to run a business.

I have friends in non-media based business who definitely work for companies that expect them to look and dress a very specific way, especially at the executive level. I'm not just talking about well-kempt and professional; I'm talking dressed at a whole different level.  A good friend of mine is a top executive for Sotheby's.  It is most certainly a part of her job to look and dress a particular way--a very feminine way, I might add--and costs her many thousands of dollars a year to do so.

Lots of women executives don't have to think about it much, but some do. It really depends on the kind of business they're running.

I would also say this is yet another arena where women get judged more critically than men.

The executives at a luxury brand such as Sotheby's can't shop at Kohls despite being male or female.

Completely agree. 

However, a man can own a handful of suits and 6-8 shirts, 15-20 ties, and a few good pairs of shoes and be well dressed for many years.  Women don't get off quite that easy;) I would guess--and I'm pulling this number outta thin air--that women outspend men 10:1 for professional attire.  We could argue for a long time on how much of that is "needed" (needed in quotes because it's a perceived need for the job, not a Maslow's need).

Women in business are also judged more harshly than men for size and age.

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Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn
Originally posted by austhokie but there is that perception that they need to and as much as I HATE the saying, it is soo true, perception is reality
Just because someone's perception is their reality doesn't mean that it has to be yours. Not to be a contrarian, but most of the successful female executives I know, and I know quite a few, didn't get where they are worrying much about what their handbags said about their ability to run a business.

Just to muddy the waters a bit...

Sometimes a woman's ability to run a business is tied to her handbag--ok, maybe not her handbag, per se, but certainly her image.  Some of the top earning women in this country--Oprah and Martha Stewart come to mind first--have images that are very much their brand.  When your image is your brand and your brand is an inherent part of your company, it does in some way impact your ability to run a business.

I have friends in non-media based business who definitely work for companies that expect them to look and dress a very specific way, especially at the executive level. I'm not just talking about well-kempt and professional; I'm talking dressed at a whole different level.  A good friend of mine is a top executive for Sotheby's.  It is most certainly a part of her job to look and dress a particular way--a very feminine way, I might add--and costs her many thousands of dollars a year to do so.

Lots of women executives don't have to think about it much, but some do. It really depends on the kind of business they're running.

I would also say this is yet another arena where women get judged more critically than men.

The executives at a luxury brand such as Sotheby's can't shop at Kohls despite being male or female.

Completely agree. 

However, a man can own a handful of suits and 6-8 shirts, 15-20 ties, and a few good pairs of shoes and be well dressed for many years.  Women don't get off quite that easy I would guess--and I'm pulling this number outta thin air--that women outspend men 10:1 for professional attire.  We could argue for a long time on how much of that is "needed" (needed in quotes because it's a perceived need for the job, not a Maslow's need).

Women in business are also judged more harshly than men for size and age.




You're correct on all fronts that these are societal norms and biases.
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Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn
Originally posted by austhokie but there is that perception that they need to and as much as I HATE the saying, it is soo true, perception is reality
Just because someone's perception is their reality doesn't mean that it has to be yours. Not to be a contrarian, but most of the successful female executives I know, and I know quite a few, didn't get where they are worrying much about what their handbags said about their ability to run a business.

Just to muddy the waters a bit...

Sometimes a woman's ability to run a business is tied to her handbag--ok, maybe not her handbag, per se, but certainly her image.  Some of the top earning women in this country--Oprah and Martha Stewart come to mind first--have images that are very much their brand.  When your image is your brand and your brand is an inherent part of your company, it does in some way impact your ability to run a business.

I have friends in non-media based business who definitely work for companies that expect them to look and dress a very specific way, especially at the executive level. I'm not just talking about well-kempt and professional; I'm talking dressed at a whole different level.  A good friend of mine is a top executive for Sotheby's.  It is most certainly a part of her job to look and dress a particular way--a very feminine way, I might add--and costs her many thousands of dollars a year to do so.

Lots of women executives don't have to think about it much, but some do. It really depends on the kind of business they're running.

I would also say this is yet another arena where women get judged more critically than men.

The executives at a luxury brand such as Sotheby's can't shop at Kohls despite being male or female.

Completely agree. 

However, a man can own a handful of suits and 6-8 shirts, 15-20 ties, and a few good pairs of shoes and be well dressed for many years.  Women don't get off quite that easy I would guess--and I'm pulling this number outta thin air--that women outspend men 10:1 for professional attire.  We could argue for a long time on how much of that is "needed" (needed in quotes because it's a perceived need for the job, not a Maslow's need).

Women in business are also judged more harshly than men for size and age.

You're correct on all fronts that these are societal norms and biases.

I do agree there are biases that keep many women from certain job promotions and such, but I will also throw in that perceptions of this bias likely keep women from pursuing various career fields as well.

For example, my business sells IT products and I go out of my way to try and hire female sales people.  I'm always looking for good sales people and out of every 20 resumes I get I may get 1 or two women applying.  
I've never had a woman apply for a technical engineer position.

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Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn
Originally posted by austhokie but there is that perception that they need to and as much as I HATE the saying, it is soo true, perception is reality
Just because someone's perception is their reality doesn't mean that it has to be yours. Not to be a contrarian, but most of the successful female executives I know, and I know quite a few, didn't get where they are worrying much about what their handbags said about their ability to run a business.

Just to muddy the waters a bit...

Sometimes a woman's ability to run a business is tied to her handbag--ok, maybe not her handbag, per se, but certainly her image.  Some of the top earning women in this country--Oprah and Martha Stewart come to mind first--have images that are very much their brand.  When your image is your brand and your brand is an inherent part of your company, it does in some way impact your ability to run a business.

I have friends in non-media based business who definitely work for companies that expect them to look and dress a very specific way, especially at the executive level. I'm not just talking about well-kempt and professional; I'm talking dressed at a whole different level.  A good friend of mine is a top executive for Sotheby's.  It is most certainly a part of her job to look and dress a particular way--a very feminine way, I might add--and costs her many thousands of dollars a year to do so.

Lots of women executives don't have to think about it much, but some do. It really depends on the kind of business they're running.

I would also say this is yet another arena where women get judged more critically than men.

The executives at a luxury brand such as Sotheby's can't shop at Kohls despite being male or female.

Completely agree. 

However, a man can own a handful of suits and 6-8 shirts, 15-20 ties, and a few good pairs of shoes and be well dressed for many years.  Women don't get off quite that easy I would guess--and I'm pulling this number outta thin air--that women outspend men 10:1 for professional attire.  We could argue for a long time on how much of that is "needed" (needed in quotes because it's a perceived need for the job, not a Maslow's need).

Women in business are also judged more harshly than men for size and age.

Doesn't free drinks at the bar cancel this out?!

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Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn
Originally posted by austhokie but there is that perception that they need to and as much as I HATE the saying, it is soo true, perception is reality
Just because someone's perception is their reality doesn't mean that it has to be yours. Not to be a contrarian, but most of the successful female executives I know, and I know quite a few, didn't get where they are worrying much about what their handbags said about their ability to run a business.

Just to muddy the waters a bit...

Sometimes a woman's ability to run a business is tied to her handbag--ok, maybe not her handbag, per se, but certainly her image.  Some of the top earning women in this country--Oprah and Martha Stewart come to mind first--have images that are very much their brand.  When your image is your brand and your brand is an inherent part of your company, it does in some way impact your ability to run a business.

I have friends in non-media based business who definitely work for companies that expect them to look and dress a very specific way, especially at the executive level. I'm not just talking about well-kempt and professional; I'm talking dressed at a whole different level.  A good friend of mine is a top executive for Sotheby's.  It is most certainly a part of her job to look and dress a particular way--a very feminine way, I might add--and costs her many thousands of dollars a year to do so.

Lots of women executives don't have to think about it much, but some do. It really depends on the kind of business they're running.

I would also say this is yet another arena where women get judged more critically than men.

The executives at a luxury brand such as Sotheby's can't shop at Kohls despite being male or female.

Completely agree. 

However, a man can own a handful of suits and 6-8 shirts, 15-20 ties, and a few good pairs of shoes and be well dressed for many years.  Women don't get off quite that easy;) I would guess--and I'm pulling this number outta thin air--that women outspend men 10:1 for professional attire.  We could argue for a long time on how much of that is "needed" (needed in quotes because it's a perceived need for the job, not a Maslow's need).

Women in business are also judged more harshly than men for size and age.

Doesn't free drinks at the bar cancel this out?!

Not even if you're an alcoholic that prefers single malt scotch.


2013-08-21 9:43 AM
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Originally posted by austhokie but there is that perception that they need to and as much as I HATE the saying, it is soo true, perception is reality
Just because someone's perception is their reality doesn't mean that it has to be yours. Not to be a contrarian, but most of the successful female executives I know, and I know quite a few, didn't get where they are worrying much about what their handbags said about their ability to run a business.

Just to muddy the waters a bit...

Sometimes a woman's ability to run a business is tied to her handbag--ok, maybe not her handbag, per se, but certainly her image.  Some of the top earning women in this country--Oprah and Martha Stewart come to mind first--have images that are very much their brand.  When your image is your brand and your brand is an inherent part of your company, it does in some way impact your ability to run a business.

I have friends in non-media based business who definitely work for companies that expect them to look and dress a very specific way, especially at the executive level. I'm not just talking about well-kempt and professional; I'm talking dressed at a whole different level.  A good friend of mine is a top executive for Sotheby's.  It is most certainly a part of her job to look and dress a particular way--a very feminine way, I might add--and costs her many thousands of dollars a year to do so.

Lots of women executives don't have to think about it much, but some do. It really depends on the kind of business they're running.

I would also say this is yet another arena where women get judged more critically than men.

The executives at a luxury brand such as Sotheby's can't shop at Kohls despite being male or female.

Completely agree. 

However, a man can own a handful of suits and 6-8 shirts, 15-20 ties, and a few good pairs of shoes and be well dressed for many years.  Women don't get off quite that easy I would guess--and I'm pulling this number outta thin air--that women outspend men 10:1 for professional attire.  We could argue for a long time on how much of that is "needed" (needed in quotes because it's a perceived need for the job, not a Maslow's need).

Women in business are also judged more harshly than men for size and age.

Doesn't free drinks at the bar cancel this out?!

Not even if you're an alcoholic that prefers single malt scotch.



Or even if you're pouring them in a plant when nobody's looking- since you professionally need to be part of the fun, but are smart enough to know at 120 pounds you will become pretty unprofessional quick if you try and keep up with guys more than twice your size.
2013-08-21 9:47 AM
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Originally posted by switch
Originally posted by msteiner
Originally posted by switch
Originally posted by pitt83
Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn
Originally posted by austhokie but there is that perception that they need to and as much as I HATE the saying, it is soo true, perception is reality
Just because someone's perception is their reality doesn't mean that it has to be yours. Not to be a contrarian, but most of the successful female executives I know, and I know quite a few, didn't get where they are worrying much about what their handbags said about their ability to run a business.

Just to muddy the waters a bit...

Sometimes a woman's ability to run a business is tied to her handbag--ok, maybe not her handbag, per se, but certainly her image.  Some of the top earning women in this country--Oprah and Martha Stewart come to mind first--have images that are very much their brand.  When your image is your brand and your brand is an inherent part of your company, it does in some way impact your ability to run a business.

I have friends in non-media based business who definitely work for companies that expect them to look and dress a very specific way, especially at the executive level. I'm not just talking about well-kempt and professional; I'm talking dressed at a whole different level.  A good friend of mine is a top executive for Sotheby's.  It is most certainly a part of her job to look and dress a particular way--a very feminine way, I might add--and costs her many thousands of dollars a year to do so.

Lots of women executives don't have to think about it much, but some do. It really depends on the kind of business they're running.

I would also say this is yet another arena where women get judged more critically than men.

The executives at a luxury brand such as Sotheby's can't shop at Kohls despite being male or female.

Completely agree. 

However, a man can own a handful of suits and 6-8 shirts, 15-20 ties, and a few good pairs of shoes and be well dressed for many years.  Women don't get off quite that easy I would guess--and I'm pulling this number outta thin air--that women outspend men 10:1 for professional attire.  We could argue for a long time on how much of that is "needed" (needed in quotes because it's a perceived need for the job, not a Maslow's need).

Women in business are also judged more harshly than men for size and age.

Doesn't free drinks at the bar cancel this out?!

Not even if you're an alcoholic that prefers single malt scotch.
Or even if you're pouring them in a plant when nobody's looking- since you professionally need to be part of the fun, but are smart enough to know at 120 pounds you will become pretty unprofessional quick if you try and keep up with guys more than twice your size.

Note to self: no plants at my parties!

2013-08-21 2:11 PM
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Originally posted by austhokie I made this comment in another thread, but it seems to fit in well here - there just seems to be this mentality that you can't be "girlie" (for lack of a better word) and be successful in a male dominated field. Having just gotten out of the Navy I saw it all the time - and I even did it - the need to prove yourself and lose who you are - in order to succeed. I kind of noticed this (to slightly change topics) in the discussions about the D&B Ironman Purse - I would never buy it personally (not a D&B fan, i'm a Coach girl all the way) - but there were comments about female athletes not being taken seriously because of things like these purses - why can't I be an Ironman (although i'm not yet) and wear high heels, carry cute purses, get mani/pedi's etc...does the need to succeed in a male dominated field mean you have to push that to the side... sorry for the ramblings - phd psychosis...lol! I REALLY wish I had gone into sports psych now...lol!
People overthink sh*t. They need to stop doing that. Women are women and men are men. Women shouldn't have to act like men to be successful.

Women who look and act like women are more likely to be the object of sexual desires of men.  In the last few generations, these same men have been controlling the hiring/firing/promoting COC.  It has been, in a way, "easier" for women to side-step the BS if they eschew feminine things. 

BTW, what's up with the shoe choice for the shoot?  I don't pay attention to fashion too much (except I'm now enthralled my the man pouch panties), but those shoes scream bondage to me.  Seems like an interesting choice.

Says the woman who had her picture taken wearing red, thigh-high leather boots.

You make it sound like it was a choice, like I posed for it or something. 

And they were suede.

 

Wait, what? How'd I miss this???

2013-08-21 2:14 PM
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marissa mayer's vogue pose doesn't really do anything for me one way or the other...
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