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![]() | ![]() Okay, I am not new but did not want to use my real log in since his is a sensitive subject. Has anyone had any experience with debt negotiation companies? I am considering using Debt RElief America but don't know if this is a good idea. My situation is my wife and I earn around $100K (before taxes) rent a house ($1050) and are making 2 car payments ($670 monthly) plus have approx $38K (6K to family) of debt plus student loans. At the end of the month we have very little left and have a child and another on the way. I just don't see things getting any better and will not file bankcruptcy. I had use CCC years ago and it worked to pay off the debt but after owning my last money pit of a house I am back were I started. Just looking to see if others have experience with the debt negotiators? It sounds like my credit will suffer since you don't make payments to the creditors until the entire balance is paid off. Thanks for the help. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() That is a really hard situation to be in and I feel for you. With the current state of the economy and how lenders are beginning to tighten their requirements, I believe that your credit score is going to become more important and you should do what you can to protect it. I would start by calling your creditors yourself and try to negotiate with them. They, like you, don't want to see you fall into trouble and may be willing to offer some sort of settlement. Also, see if you can get the student loans put into a hardship deferral for a period of time. And, as an absolute last resort, cash out some cash from a 401k, if possible. You'll take a hit, but it may save you from bigger pains later. |
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![]() | ![]() I am not an expert on this, but your car payments really stuck out to me. Is there a way to downsize to less expensive cars (less expensive payments)? Just trying to think of a way to free up some income month to month. Good luck and congrats on the baby-on-the-way. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() lisac957 - 2008-01-23 11:34 AM I am not an expert on this, but your car payments really stuck out to me. Is there a way to downsize to less expensive cars (less expensive payments)? Just trying to think of a way to free up some income month to month. Good luck and congrats on the baby-on-the-way. x2 on the car downsizing. x2 on the baby congrats, too (edited because I misread the OP) Edited by ScottoNM 2008-01-23 12:42 PM |
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![]() | ![]() lisac957 - 2008-01-23 12:34 PM Unfortunately we are stuck with the cars for a little while. I have a civic $250 but my wife has a mini van $418 which she really needed. I will say we have made bad decisions on cars and this one is usally because she wanted a nice car. I usually get stuck with the crappy one. But then again I said it was okay. Her van is a lease and is the lease is over in 1.5 years and she will be getting something much cheaper. We really don't need the van but she seems to think she does. I am not an expert on this, but your car payments really stuck out to me. Is there a way to downsize to less expensive cars (less expensive payments)? Just trying to think of a way to free up some income month to month. Good luck and congrats on the baby-on-the-way. BTW, thanks. |
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![]() | ![]() ScottoNM - 2008-01-23 12:40 PM Unfortunately the house payment is rent. We owned a house for 6 years but after spending probably $20K to fix it we sold it for peace of mind. Not a good move inthe long run but I was always sick to my stomachsomething was going to break.lisac957 - 2008-01-23 11:34 AM I am not an expert on this, but your car payments really stuck out to me. Is there a way to downsize to less expensive cars (less expensive payments)? Just trying to think of a way to free up some income month to month. Good luck and congrats on the baby-on-the-way. x2 on the car downsizing - car payments more than mortgage payment is a huge red flag to me. x2 on the baby congrats, too
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() notnew - 2008-01-23 1:41 PM Unfortunately we are stuck with the cars for a little while. I have a civic $250 but my wife has a mini van $418 which she really needed. I will say we have made bad decisions on cars and this one is usally because she wanted a nice car. I usually get stuck with the crappy one. But then again I said it was okay. Her van is a lease and is the lease is over in 1.5 years and she will be getting something much cheaper. We really don't need the van but she seems to think she does. BTW, thanks. That's called "marriage". You can always get out of the lease by calling the finance company and asking for the current buyout amount. Then, balance that against the value of the car, and see how much you are upside down. If its close, and you're a strong negotiator, you may be able to downsize your vehicle sooner. Or, if you plan to keep it, see if you can refinance the amount through your local credit union. Better to try and refinance it before your credit takes a hit. |
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![]() | ![]() One good thing is my debt to my parents I currently pay $500 amonth so 12 months worse case and they always tell me I can lower or elimate my payment to them if I need to. I was hoping to have it paid off ina few months if I got a bonus but found out no bonus this year. If I get the government refund that might happen I will use that though. Luckily this money wil pay for daycare for the new addition. |
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![]() | ![]() CubeFarmGopher - 2008-01-23 12:45 PM Unfortunately we were upside down on both cars going in so I don't know if I can get out early but definately plan on looking into it. I know at this point I can make it till the end of the lease then get a used-used car since my wife's commute is short and we live in a large city with good weather. I am okay with the crappy car, heck if I lived close to work I would ride my bike every day to save on gas. notnew - 2008-01-23 1:41 PM Unfortunately we are stuck with the cars for a little while. I have a civic $250 but my wife has a mini van $418 which she really needed. I will say we have made bad decisions on cars and this one is usally because she wanted a nice car. I usually get stuck with the crappy one. But then again I said it was okay. Her van is a lease and is the lease is over in 1.5 years and she will be getting something much cheaper. We really don't need the van but she seems to think she does. BTW, thanks. That's called "marriage". You can always get out of the lease by calling the finance company and asking for the current buyout amount. Then, balance that against the value of the car, and see how much you are upside down. If its close, and you're a strong negotiator, you may be able to downsize your vehicle sooner. Or, if you plan to keep it, see if you can refinance the amount through your local credit union. Better to try and refinance it before your credit takes a hit. The kicker of my situation is I work in finance so I should know better. Growing up we did not go without but did not always have what I wanted so when I get credit I get stupid and live outside my means. Trying to change that though. I have considered getting a second job but have done before and it put a bigger strain on my marriage than training. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Just my two cents. You are making $100,000 a year. Take home that's around $72,000 (I'm assuming a 28% bracket). So that's $6000 a month. Minus rent and cars that's $4280 a month. Ignoring food, gas, clothes and the other normal expenditures, there MUST be something else each month to make it such that you have "very little left" at the end of the month. What else are big ticket items? IMHO you have the money to make it work. You might have to make some big cuts in your lifestyle however. Get rid of the cable package, stop going out to dinner, brown bag your lunch, get rid of the mega-cell phone plan etc... I'm not saying you are not already doing these things but they are items to consider. Edited by TriRSquared 2008-01-23 12:57 PM |
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Another thing to think about, is how you could re-arrange your transportation situation such that you can get rid of one of the cars. Even if you still keep the van, you could eliminate that $250 payment on the civic plus up to half of your car insurance costs. Given that you are renting, you could move in such a way to enable an alternate commute for one of you, e.g. bike distance to one job or the other, closer to public transport, carpool, dropoff, etc.
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![]() | ![]() TriRSquared - 2008-01-23 12:54 PM No your right there should be plent left. But I have about $600 for day care, plus about $1200 for debt plus utilities (my electric bill is crazy) and most of my other utilities are on contracts so I can't even cancel. We spend way to much on food (especially eating out) but are trying to clip coupons and I am eating pb&j as much as possible now. Might hurt training I know but oh well. Basically a bunch of bad decisions.Just my two cents. You are making $100,000 a year. Take home that's around $72,000 (I'm assuming a 28% bracket). So that's $6000 a month. Minus rent and cars that's $4280 a month. Ignoring food, gas, clothes and the other normal expenditures, there MUST be something else each month to make it such that you have "very little left" at the end of the month. What else are big ticket items? |
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![]() | ![]() ScottoNM - 2008-01-23 12:56 PM Have thought of that too but then my wife has to drive farther with 2 kids and thus more gas and I would take a huge hit on my car to get rid of it. The area we would have to move to is also much more expensive and would probably make up for no car payment.
Another thing to think about, is how you could re-arrange your transportation situation such that you can get rid of one of the cars. Even if you still keep the van, you could eliminate that $250 payment on the civic plus up to half of your car insurance costs. Given that you are renting, you could move in such a way to enable an alternate commute for one of you, e.g. bike distance to one job or the other, closer to public transport, carpool, dropoff, etc.
Like I said, I am pretty much in trouble and yes, I can keep making minimum payments and hope to come into money or try something. I am probably going to call some of my "on contract" utilities to see if I can do anything even if I pay a small fee. |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TriRSquared - 2008-01-23 12:54 PM Just my two cents. You are making $100,000 a year. Take home that's around $72,000 (I'm assuming a 28% bracket). So that's $6000 a month. Minus rent and cars that's $4280 a month. Ignoring food, gas, clothes and the other normal expenditures, there MUST be something else each month to make it such that you have "very little left" at the end of the month. What else are big ticket items? IMHO you have the money to make it work. You might have to make some big cuts in your lifestyle however. Get rid of the cable package, stop going out to dinner, brown bag your lunch, get rid of the mega-cell phone plan etc... I'm not saying you are not already doing these things but they are items to consider. x2. Especially when the average household income in America is just over $40,000. You're earning 2.5 times that! If mom & pop will allow you to slow down on your payments to them, which it sounds like, then it might be a good idea to start putting a good hunk of that money toward other things. I'm a big fan of paying off the smallest debt first. Not because it makes the most sense mathematically [it usually doesn't] but if you knock out a few small ones then your monthly liability just went down some. If you're working on the one with the highest interest rate and something bad happens, you still have all the original payments and still no breathing room. I strongly recommend you check out Dave Ramsey, his website is daveramsey.com. |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I totally understand how this is a difficult situation. Money problems suck and are draining emotionally, mentally, and that takes a toll on you physically. I've read all the above posts, and agree with them. My addition is just to say stay AWAY from debt negotiations companies. Credit counseling is one thing, debt negotiation is something completely different. My recommendation...call around to various financial advisors. They aren't just there to help you invest, a lot of them got into the business to help people just like you who are in the situation you are in. It will take a lot of sacrifice, and you'll really have to rearrange some things in life, but it can be doable. I've been there. I know it's rough. Good luck. I'll put in another vote for Dave Ramsey...I've read some of his stuff...don't agree with all of it, but I've seen it work for a lot of people. And don't worry about buying the book...get it from the library! Or, if you're brave enough, PM me your address and I'll send you a copy that I have. Edited by maggyruth 2008-01-23 1:10 PM |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Call some of these folks you have contractual obligations to. I'm guessing this is the cable company, cell phone company? They'll be better served to let you reduce to a cheaper plan than to start missing payments. Be honest, tell them you're crunched, and see what it does. You should not be eating out at all. I grocery shop for 5 and am typically in the $450-500/month range. It makes a really big difference when you eat out. If you only pay $600/month for daycare, is your wife not working FT? Can she increase hours and contribute a little more to the pot? One more thing. I'm sensing from the way you're talking that you haven't ever taken a really hard look at what comes in and what goes out - you're just paying it as it goes, and always feeling behind. Sit down and add up all your expenditures and all your income. Look at what you think you spend. Then for one month, take every receipt that you get and stack it up in a corner, and you'll be able to see what you really spend, and where. Once you have that knowledge, you'll be able to make changes. Until you know it, there's always going to be some reason that you can't do this, that, or the other.
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I was almost EXACTLY where you are less than a year ago, and my finances are much better now, and the stress level is down signficiantly. I went to a Dave Ramsey live seminar and it was the best thing I've done in a long time. Honestly. (and no, I do not work for him and am not trying to sell his wares). I also read his book, two or three times, and implemented what is in there. You are making enough money to make this work without ruining your credit, and without a stress-induced heart attack. It is just going to take some lifestyle adjustments. They were hard for us, but we are already very used to it, and happier than ever. The fastest, easiest way to free up tons of money is to stop eating out...period. We did that and it freed up more than $800/month.
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() OldAg92 - 2008-01-23 1:16 PM I was almost EXACTLY where you are less than a year ago, and my finances are much better now, and the stress level is down signficiantly. I went to a Dave Ramsey live seminar and it was the best thing I've done in a long time. Honestly. (and no, I do not work for him and am not trying to sell his wares). I also read his book, two or three times, and implemented what is in there. You are making enough money to make this work without ruining your credit, and without a stress-induced heart attack. It is just going to take some lifestyle adjustments. They were hard for us, but we are already very used to it, and happier than ever. The fastest, easiest way to free up tons of money is to stop eating out...period. We did that and it freed up more than $800/month.
I thought I was bad with my $360/mo habit that I had to kick! And how in the world does that lady feed 5 on $450/month? That's rockin'. |
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Resident Curmudgeon![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm going to sound a little harsh here, but something's not making sense. We're in the same salary range, we have a similar house note and car note, maybe not as much other debt, but we're putting three kids through private school and still doing just fine. Sounds like you guys need to cut back on the lifestyle. |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Bripod - 2008-01-23 1:18 PM OldAg92 - 2008-01-23 1:16 PM I thought I was bad with my $360/mo habit that I had to kick! And how in the world does that lady feed 5 on $450/month? That's rockin'.I was almost EXACTLY where you are less than a year ago, and my finances are much better now, and the stress level is down signficiantly. I went to a Dave Ramsey live seminar and it was the best thing I've done in a long time. Honestly. (and no, I do not work for him and am not trying to sell his wares). I also read his book, two or three times, and implemented what is in there. You are making enough money to make this work without ruining your credit, and without a stress-induced heart attack. It is just going to take some lifestyle adjustments. They were hard for us, but we are already very used to it, and happier than ever. The fastest, easiest way to free up tons of money is to stop eating out...period. We did that and it freed up more than $800/month.
Lots of planning! I buy from the advertised specials, I don't buy anything we won't eat, I stock up when there's a good deal, we eat leftovers for lunch. I do think I need to adjust my budget up, though, because my 9-year-old seems to be hitting the age of the bottomless stomach. And my little girls, well, they're 3 and 5, so they don't eat as much as you or me. Edited by kanders 2008-01-23 1:23 PM |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TriRSquared - 2008-01-23 10:54 AM Just my two cents. You are making $100,000 a year. Take home that's around $72,000 (I'm assuming a 28% bracket). So that's $6000 a month. Minus rent and cars that's $4280 a month. Ignoring food, gas, clothes and the other normal expenditures, there MUST be something else each month to make it such that you have "very little left" at the end of the month. What else are big ticket items? IMHO you have the money to make it work. You might have to make some big cuts in your lifestyle however. Get rid of the cable package, stop going out to dinner, brown bag your lunch, get rid of the mega-cell phone plan etc... I'm not saying you are not already doing these things but they are items to consider. It might not be any "big ticket" items either. Maybe a budget breakdown is in order. I didn't realize how much money I was spending on food during the week until I really looked at every little $5-10 purchase. I was blowing through over $50 on lunches and snacks at work. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() you have already received excellent advice and just wanted to add a couple more ideas -check out www.fool.com they have really good information on getting out of debt. - just like training, keep a journal of every penny you spend. Don't forget to include things that you may only pay once a year such as magazine subscriptions. Find the items that you can do without. - deal in cash. don't pay for things on your ATM/Debit or credit card. give yourself an allowance in cash and that is all you get for the week/month. It will definitely make you think twice about that coffee from Starbucks in the morning.
I have been in your situation and wish you the best of luck!!! |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I feel your pain...a few years ago, I was making about 70k...my SO is on disability so he was making about 14k...Then I got laid off...all of out saving went to just surviving until I found a new job. Unfortunately we lost our house...and currently together we make about 44k. We are still trying to just get ahead a little bit so that we can start to rebuild. Everyone tells me to just find a better paying job...we I have been trying...going out on interviews, but there always seems to be someone out there, just that little bit better. I like the job I am in...but it hardly pays. I am hoping this year, my back taxes will be taken care of...or atleast arranged. And I can start worrying about the other debts. It also doesn't help that SO is a compulsive spender...and I have a problem saying no...but I think thats a completely different thread.
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() the bear - 2008-01-23 1:21 PM I'm going to sound a little harsh here, but something's not making sense. We're in the same salary range, we have a similar house note and car note, maybe not as much other debt, but we're putting three kids through private school and still doing just fine. Sounds like you guys need to cut back on the lifestyle. I tend to agree with Bear on this. I was in the same situastion about 10 years ago. My Dad told me I had a "Champagne appetite on a beer budget" For some reason I always remember that when I am shopping for something. |
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