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2009-06-03 12:03 PM

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Wow, this guy’s face was put on TV and a $10,000 reward for his arrest was issued and he was not even charged with the crime yet, he was a suspect. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?


2009-06-03 12:08 PM
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i'll reserve judgement on this until after the DNA results come back...
2009-06-03 12:24 PM
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I see the city of Phil paying the family of the man mucho mucho dinero after the beatdown.
2009-06-03 12:29 PM
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tri_d00d - 2009-06-03 1:08 PM i'll reserve judgement on this until after the DNA results come back...


DNA results confirming or not, vigilante justice is just a bad idea...
2009-06-03 12:36 PM
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I live in the Phila. area and I thought the same thing when I saw that on the news last night. When did vigilante justice become acceptible. He was just a suspect and he did have priors. But, I still believe in innocent until proven guilty. And the crazy thing about what happened yesterday is the people that attacked the guy were showing there faces on TV. The one guy was quoted as saying " I cracked his head open with a board." And the police were right there.
2009-06-03 3:52 PM
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We were talking at work yesterday about how we expected people in the Kensington area of Philly to take matters into their own hands.  It is not a good neighborhood and the person is suspected of a very brutal crime to a child.


2009-06-03 3:56 PM
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Am I the only one for whom this brings to mind our country's horrific history with lynchings?  HUNDREDS of these took place in the early 20th century.

I live in Philadelphia too - work in North Philly, I understand the city is no picnic.  But we have a JUDICIAL SYSTEM for the suspect.  I hope mister "I cracked his head with a board" is arrested.

2009-06-03 5:35 PM
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phillybarb - 2009-06-03 3:52 PM We were talking at work yesterday about how we expected people in the Kensington area of Philly to take matters into their own hands.  It is not a good neighborhood and the person is suspected of a very brutal crime to a child.



This wont make me popular but.....

I just hope that they find out that this was the one who commited the horrible crime. It would be a suitable punishment. Yes I know that its not the American way but I never claimed to be perfect. Crimes against children have a special place to me and those that commit them have a special place on the other side and I think that a painful voyage to help them cross over is only fair. Again I never claimed to be perfect and if someone hurt my child I would glady take the punishment I would have coming for what I did to the person who hurt her.

That being said the people obviously jumped the gun unless the girl named the suspect and they knew exactly who they werre looking for. Hopefully if its not the scumbag that commited the crime this doesnt cause the police to have their hands tied in releasing information to find SUSPECTS. Obviously some other people will be joining whoever attacked the girl in prison/jail.
2009-06-03 7:44 PM
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They have installed electronic bill boards recently in my town.  It seems they have Wanted signs more than ads on them.  I hate them.  I really don't want some criminal's mug thrown at me while I drive down the road.
2009-06-03 10:21 PM
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This seems like a story where everyone was wrong.  The person who committed the crime against the child, the mob for nearly killing a guy who was possibly related to the case, the police (if in fact they stood by and watched the man being beaten by a mob), and the FOP for offering a reward for a "person of interest."  Anything less and they might as well throw our entire justice system out the window.
2009-06-04 6:22 AM
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Sprint_DA - 2009-06-03 10:21 PM This seems like a story where everyone was wrong.  The person who committed the crime against the child, the mob for nearly killing a guy who was possibly related to the case, the police (if in fact they stood by and watched the man being beaten by a mob), and the FOP for offering a reward for a "person of interest."  Anything less and they might as well throw our entire justice system out the window.


You think rewards are bad for people of interest in crimes?


2009-06-04 6:51 AM
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2009-06-04 7:01 AM
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"I don't condone violence," Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles H. Ramsey said yesterday.

Although "members of the community were very upset over this, and some may have used more force than a trained police officer," none will be charged, he said.

So because people were "very upset", that makes it acceptable under the law to give the guy a beat down? What precedent does that set?



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2009-06-04 7:06 AM
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In a nutshell

"No one's going to want to prosecute them . . . but as a policy decision, do you have to?" asked local defense lawyer Rocco Cipparone. "Suppose it turns out to be the wrong guy. Then you have an even bigger problem."

But, he added, "on a human, emotional level, myself included . . . if he's the guy who did it, no, I don't feel bad for him."

Nonetheless, "public officials ought to be very careful about what they say that could be construed as condoning or encouraging vigilante justice," said David Rudovsky, a law professor at the University of Pennsylvania.

The mayors comments were particulary dumb

Mayor Nutter said yesterday that he did not condone "vigilantism out in our streets, but it's indicative of the anger and compassion that many of our citizens have."

"It's a further demonstration that Philadelphians care passionately about this city, about our quality of life, and certainly about our children," he added.

One can almost hear the lawyers lining up. I think they have to charge them with something.


McNesby said early yesterday that he did not think residents would be charged because Carrasquillo had tried to run away.

But, he said, the situation would have been different had police administered a similar beating to a fleeing suspect.

"If they were police officers on tape, they'd be arrested," he said.

What?

2009-06-04 7:56 AM
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...and they're also going to be given part of the reward?! For beating some man into a pulp? I could get behind detaining the guy in a full nelson or something until the police came, but beating the guy into the hospital?

Look, I think those that molest children are despicable. As much as people love to puff and posture about "I'd just take my (whatever caliber) and that would be that!"...that's not the way it works people. If it was you, and you were accused, would you not want your day in court? I realize this man could very well be guilty, in which case he should pay for his crime, but what if it is a case of mistaken identity? Then we've just given MONEY to a mob of people who assaulted a citizen...and that creates a terrible standard.
2009-06-09 1:13 PM
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This lawyer sums up my feelings nicely.

http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/20090605_Christine_M__Flowers_...

The suspect had 17 prior arrests including attempted rape and he was out on parole. Regardless of having committed this particular crime he shouldn't have been on the street. Good riddance.

The justice system has failed this region of Philadelphia and crime is out of control there. I wouldn't even want to drive through the area and these people have to live there. If the police can't protect them, what should be done? I don't condone what they did, but I can empathize with their feelings. In fact I don't know if I wouldn't have done the same thing had it been my daughter, or my neighbors child.



2009-06-09 1:30 PM
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graceful_dave - 2009-06-09 1:13 PM

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  • The suspect had 17 prior arrests including attempted rape and he was out on parole. Regardless of having committed this particular crime he shouldn't have been on the street. Good riddance.
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  • This is important to me. This is not an innocent man. Maybe he is innocent in the legal sense regarding the child raping, but he is still a convict. When you are guilty of a crime, there are consequences, and one of them is that you will be a primary suspect for future crimes.
    2009-06-09 1:48 PM
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    My wife is a survivor of childhood sexual abuse.

    I was a victim of gun violence in Philly a few years ago.

    I use to live near the Kensington neighborhood where this happened.  I know the neighborhood and the people there.

     

    Bottom line: we can't accept this kind of vigilantism in Philadelphia.  It was wrong.  Maybe understandable and one can feel compassion, but still wrong.

    The rule of law needs to be upheld in this case.  It seems to me that two crimes were committed in this case.

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    It reminds me of something Jon Stewart said when talking about the issue of torture (and I am severely paraphrasing here) - the impulse to get revenge is easy to understand.  I would want to find and clone Osama bin Laden so we could torture and kill him every September 11.  And that's why we need to have rule of law and follow it.  Because our mob instincts will lead us down the wrong path.
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    eberulf - 2009-06-09 2:30 PM
    graceful_dave - 2009-06-09 1:13 PM ....... The suspect had 17 prior arrests including attempted rape and he was out on parole. Regardless of having committed this particular crime he shouldn't have been on the street. Good riddance. .......
    This is important to me. This is not an innocent man. Maybe he is innocent in the legal sense regarding the child raping, but he is still a convict. When you are guilty of a crime, there are consequences, and one of them is that you will be a primary suspect for future crimes.


    What if it was an innocent person?  Then there would be something wrong with it?  Then would it be okay to charge the people who beat him up?

    And, he wasn't just a primary suspect, he was beat by an angry mob with 2 by 4s. 
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    dontracy - 2009-06-09 2:48 PM

    Bottom line: we can't accept this kind of vigilantism in Philadelphia.  It was wrong.  Maybe understandable and one can feel compassion, but still wrong.

    The rule of law needs to be upheld in this case.  It seems to me that two crimes were committed in this case.




    Absolutely right Don.

    I support extremely tough laws on crime...but vigilante justice isn't justice at all. It's sad that a thug like this was ever released from prison. Criminals found guilty of repeated violent acts do not deserve freedom.


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    eberulf - 2009-06-09 1:30 PM
    graceful_dave - 2009-06-09 1:13 PM ....... The suspect had 17 prior arrests including attempted rape and he was out on parole. Regardless of having committed this particular crime he shouldn't have been on the street. Good riddance. .......
    This is important to me. This is not an innocent man. Maybe he is innocent in the legal sense regarding the child raping, but he is still a convict. When you are guilty of a crime, there are consequences, and one of them is that you will be a primary suspect for future crimes.


    So one of the acceptable consequences of being a convicted criminal is that gangs of people can beat you into the hospital any time you are in any way, shape, or form linked to a crime? 

    I'm fine with the guy being sought as the primary suspect for the/a crime. (Even if he was only a "person of interest" in this particular case.  What I am not ok with is a group of people beating someone nearly to death in the streets and not one person in that group being charged with a crime.
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    Sprint_DA - 2009-06-09 11:54 PM

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  • So one of the acceptable consequences of being a convicted criminal is that gangs of people can beat you into the hospital any time you are in any way, shape, or form linked to a crime?
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  • With 17 arrests, including attempted rape and assault, yes.

    Hardcore, isn't it? If it were more common, maybe career criminals like this one would choose a different lifestyle.

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    eberulf - 2009-06-10 11:08 AM
    Sprint_DA - 2009-06-09 11:54 PM ................ So one of the acceptable consequences of being a convicted criminal is that gangs of people can beat you into the hospital any time you are in any way, shape, or form linked to a crime? ................
    With 17 arrests, including attempted rape and assault, yes. Hardcore, isn't it? If it were more common, maybe career criminals like this one would choose a different lifestyle.


    So...what do you suggest? Ex-cons wear shirts with their rap sheets so we can tell who it's legal to beat the crap out of and who we need toleave alone? And what's the standard? Maybe there's a formula we could develop. That way, ex-cons could just wear shirts with numbers, and that would save us the trouble of having to read the fine print on their shirts.
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    run4yrlif - 2009-06-10 10:46 AM

    eberulf - 2009-06-10 11:08 AM
    Sprint_DA - 2009-06-09 11:54 PM ................ So one of the acceptable consequences of being a convicted criminal is that gangs of people can beat you into the hospital any time you are in any way, shape, or form linked to a crime? ................
    With 17 arrests, including attempted rape and assault, yes. Hardcore, isn't it? If it were more common, maybe career criminals like this one would choose a different lifestyle.


    So...what do you suggest? Ex-cons wear shirts with their rap sheets so we can tell who it's legal to beat the crap out of and who we need toleave alone? And what's the standard? Maybe there's a formula we could develop. That way, ex-cons could just wear shirts with numbers, and that would save us the trouble of having to read the fine print on their shirts.


    Nowwww you're talkin'!!!


    PS. This was a joke. I do not agree with vigilante justice. This isn't the Wild West people. You can't go hang a cattle rassler for rasslin' cattle. We have a police force for a reason. To police. If that's not your job, then don't do it. Call the police and let THEM beat the crap out of the dude.
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