DOJ snoops on AP

(Puts tinfoil hat on)

That's because when the economy collapses, all of the proverbial poop will hit the fan. 

ETA: This is why I wear a sweet hat.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1

You mean the part where the AP story catches the administration in a lie, and then everybody involved in the story has their phone records analyzed to ferret out their sources and prosecute them.  Yeah, I don't see any scandal at all there.  Why would we want any freedom of the press?  There's no good reason.

Wow...    Say it was discovered that the DOJ was tapping your phone lines and listening to your conversations, minimally, reviewing your call records.   So if they did so legally (BTW, not proved it was in this case yet), you would have no problem with it?   This is an incredible violation of freedom of the press (never thought I would defend journalists) and individual rights.   This is not a partisan issue, but an American issue.  

This is not directed at you KateTri1.   I just hope that people stop trying to defend who they voted for and sacrifice their overall rights to freedom and transparency.    I would be equally outraged if this was DOJ, IRS or GOP Admisistration being accused of same accounts.  

Yes, it has been proven that AP phone numbers at work and on personl lines of reporters were tapped and call information logged for incoming/outgoing calls.   I am equally curious what comes out of investigation, but these facts just at face value are disturbing enough.   We are not going to come to common ground here, it is obvious.  It just goes to show how fundamentally different the population is in this Country.   That is not a complaint by the way.   I am amazed at the level of TRUST people place behind their government regardless of Party.   Perhaps this will be another case of the DOJ opening up an investigation on the DOJ.   Does that not worry you?  Kind of like putting a card in the suggestion box and the box is opened only by the party you are complaining about.  

And hit rewind about BC Bombers and comments on journalists.   Not sure how that has anything to do with this example we are talking about. 

Wait a minute...one minute the AP is considered part of the "lame stream" media in bed with this administration...but now they're not?  Which is it?  This is getting confusing.

Strange isn't it.

I think it's an indication of how far the administration has gone. But I understand your reluctance to see it that way.

http://twitchy.com/2013/05/13/clown-carney-white-house-shocked-to-hear-about-aps-phone-records-being-investigated/

Lacking further information, such as the nature of a possible investigation, I can see both sides of this argument.  If classified information is being leaked, there are probably numerous avenues to pursue to find the leak.  The problem, if there is one, would come if subpeonas or warrants were issued that lacked a specific target......just a "fishing expedition" for lack of a better term.  Then again, the Patriot Act does give some very broad interpretation of what is normally referred to as "probable cause".

I'll sit and wait to see where the water goes on this one. 

There is no problem agreeing with folks now and then.  I am not fond of the ACLU because they fail to support the 2nd amendment but if they were defending say the 1st or 4th, I would be in their corner.  It's blind allegiance that gets us in trouble.

I didn't support my local Rep (R) when he supported the Patriot Act extension and I let him know about it.  I certainly let my two Senators (R & D) know my view on anti-2nd amendment bills that were floating around.  That's how it works.

True.  And if they had only taken the pone records for s small slice of time or from a few people it probably would not have been a huge deal.  The information takes must be "as narrowly drawn as possible." according to the DOJ themselves.

They took over 2 months worth of both work, cell AND home phone records for 20 journalists.

And there is the difference.  Generally speaking I don't trust that mess up in DC at all.  They have proven time and time again that they will seize power and generally make a mess of things wherever they can regardless of the letter after their name. They have nothing but their OWN best interests in mind.  One only has to look at the back room deals and the way corporations and lobbies influence policy to see that the government, as a whole, doesn't give a damn about you or me.

Not picking on you in particular, but I think THIS is the first problem -- we trust the government too much. The whole framing of the Constitution was that THE PEOPLE were to act as the watch-dogs of the government so that it didn't becoming a ruling class. And... when I hear phrases used like "the government punishing the people", it's clear the government HAS become a ruling class.

I think there needs to be a fundamental shift in this country's thinking to trust less, and watch more. There's no excuse for this kind of thing to even be considered.