Yet another BO promise broken
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![]() This user's post has been ignored. Edited by AcesFull 2009-01-29 11:12 AM |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Fricking Flip flopper! You mean to tell me that he may change his path if the conditions warrant it? How DARE He?! |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Raise taxes? I do not recall ever hearing him say he was going to raise taxes except on those making $250,000 per couple or $200,000 individual. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/subjects/taxes/ I guess you could argue that closing tax loopholes is raising taxes, but almost all of the taxes are cuts. Maybe someone can show me where he has campaigned on a plan to raise all of our taxes? I mean I know that duing the campaign lots of people were saying he is going to do this or do that, some true and some not. Same with each side, false claims on what the other side is going to do. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() This is the same old same old. "Tax cuts" or if you prefer tax credits for some groups including those that owe no income tax. So you pay nothing and get money back any way this used to be called welfare not tax cuts. It says nothing about not instituting higher taxes on "the wealthy". The WSJ article tends to lack specifics about how this tax credit will work |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() trinnas - 2009-01-29 12:38 PM This is the same old same old. "Tax cuts" or if you prefer tax credits for some groups including those that owe no income tax. So you pay nothing and get money back any way this used to be called welfare not tax cuts. It says nothing about not instituting higher taxes on "the wealthy". The WSJ article tends to lack specifics about how this tax credit will work I was discussing this very thing with a friend of mine yesterday. It drives me nuts when you have someone like my brother who pays no income tax and gets back a $4k refund and I have to pay more in taxes than he made last year. I am ok paying more taxes because I pay more, but he gets $4k because he has kids.... I have an issue with that! |
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Iron Donkey![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() But, what shall I do with all this spare money I have? |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I guess all the complaining and whining about the deficit during the Bush administration is over now that President Obama is there. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Just wait till 5 years down the road when some one needs to pay back that 850 billion dollars. Oops that's us and now there is some great interest on it. And Inflation from BO printing money we don't have is increasing the price of gas to 10 dollars a gallon for those with jobs outside the gov't. At this time 1/8 people work for the gov. Everybody give your nieghbor 10% of all you money and wealth. Just my thought. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I thought BO campaigned on cutting taxes on 95% of Americans. Looks like he's following though on it. Good for him. Giving $ to folks that don't pay taxes can hardly be considered a 'tax cut', more like a tax credit. As always the devil is in the details. I'm curious to see if he allows the Bush Tax cuts to expire. If he does, that increase should pretty much wipe out any of the 'cuts' he makes now. AcesFull - 2009-01-29 11:11 AM After almost two years of campaigning on a plan to raise all of our taxes (at least according to so many posts here and all the stuff I saw on the liberal-dominated media), BO goes and pushes a plan that would CUT taxes! In fact, his tax plan cuts more in its first two years than either of the massive tax cuts than Bush engineered (which I also opposed).
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I would be interested in seeing a link to where you get back more taxes than you paid out. I can see where you could get back a rebate like last year that would be more in than you paid out. But seriously, I do not see where you get back more from the IRS than you paid out. |
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Arch-Bishop of BT![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 1stTimeTri - 2009-01-29 12:51 PM But, what shall I do with all this spare money I have? you may give it to me. thank you very much... or you can just send me a tri bike... nothing fancy... size 56. that will do...
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() How about this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earned_Income_Tax_Credit gerald12 - 2009-01-29 12:02 PM I would be interested in seeing a link to where you get back more taxes than you paid out. I can see where you could get back a rebate like last year that would be more in than you paid out. But seriously, I do not see where you get back more from the IRS than you paid out. |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Marvarnett - 2009-01-29 10:42 AM trinnas - 2009-01-29 12:38 PM This is the same old same old. "Tax cuts" or if you prefer tax credits for some groups including those that owe no income tax. So you pay nothing and get money back any way this used to be called welfare not tax cuts. It says nothing about not instituting higher taxes on "the wealthy". The WSJ article tends to lack specifics about how this tax credit will work I was discussing this very thing with a friend of mine yesterday. It drives me nuts when you have someone like my brother who pays no income tax and gets back a $4k refund and I have to pay more in taxes than he made last year. I am ok paying more taxes because I pay more, but he gets $4k because he has kids.... I have an issue with that! your brother pays no income tax and still get a 4K refund because he has kids? What does he have, a small tribe? I have kids, taxes are taken from my pay, and I still have to pay for 4K to the IRS! He's not getting the money back just because he has kids. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() leapdog - 2009-01-29 11:11 AM How about this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earned_Income_Tax_Credit gerald12 - 2009-01-29 12:02 PM I would be interested in seeing a link to where you get back more taxes than you paid out. I can see where you could get back a rebate like last year that would be more in than you paid out. But seriously, I do not see where you get back more from the IRS than you paid out. Still does not say you get back more than paid out, at least I do not see that. Can you show me where it is? |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() rayd - 2009-01-29 1:17 PM Marvarnett - 2009-01-29 10:42 AM trinnas - 2009-01-29 12:38 PM This is the same old same old. "Tax cuts" or if you prefer tax credits for some groups including those that owe no income tax. So you pay nothing and get money back any way this used to be called welfare not tax cuts. It says nothing about not instituting higher taxes on "the wealthy". The WSJ article tends to lack specifics about how this tax credit will work I was discussing this very thing with a friend of mine yesterday. It drives me nuts when you have someone like my brother who pays no income tax and gets back a $4k refund and I have to pay more in taxes than he made last year. I am ok paying more taxes because I pay more, but he gets $4k because he has kids.... I have an issue with that! your brother pays no income tax and still get a 4K refund because he has kids? What does he have, a small tribe? I have kids, taxes are taken from my pay, and I still have to pay for 4K to the IRS! He's not getting the money back just because he has kids. Then where, pray tell, is the extra money coming from? Random numbers: He does his taxes and sees he's paid $2000 in taxes for the year. After he files, he receives a refund well in excess of that $2000. EIC gives him money just for having kids. I have to assume that without them, he would pay $0 and get $0. I could be wrong though. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() dexter - 2009-01-29 11:00 AM Just wait till 5 years down the road when some one needs to pay back that 850 billion dollars. The national debt will NEVER be repaid. The whole "our children will have to pay it back" stuff is nonsense. The US will eventually default or the debt will monetized. Anybody catch this tiny bit of news yesterday? "The Federal Reserve on Wednesday said it is prepared to buy long-term government debt if that would help improve credit conditions and signaled some concern that deflation risks were rising." http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090128/ts_nm/us_usa_fed_policy_8 which basically means, "The third source of financing is for the Federal Reserve to monetize the debt. In other words, the Treasury prints bonds and the Fed purchases them by printing money. The supply of money thus expands dramatically in relation to goods and services, and high inflation, possibly hyperinflation, would engulf America." http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4236.shtml Get ready for quite a ride and position yourselves accordingly. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() rayd - 2009-01-29 11:17 AM He's not getting the money back just because he has kids. Put a $40,000 income into Turbo Tax with 4 kids and standard deduction and see how much tax they'd pay. They pay zero and get a check back. It's due to the EITC as noted above. I wrote an article about this once and it was interesting (at least to me). To be fair, many will argue that family pays "employment taxes" which is offset by their negative "income taxes". Others will argue that "employment taxes are Medicare which are actually "premiums", and Social Security which are actually "contributions" to a retirement plan. So neither are actually "taxes". Edited by breckview 2009-01-29 12:58 PM |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() breckview - 2009-01-29 11:47 AM dexter - 2009-01-29 11:00 AM Just wait till 5 years down the road when some one needs to pay back that 850 billion dollars. The national debt will NEVER be repaid. The whole "our children will have to pay it back" stuff is nonsense. The US will eventually default or the debt will monetized. Anybody catch this tiny bit of news yesterday? "The Federal Reserve on Wednesday said it is prepared to buy long-term government debt if that would help improve credit conditions and signaled some concern that deflation risks were rising." http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090128/ts_nm/us_usa_fed_policy_8which basically means, "The third source of financing is for the Federal Reserve to monetize the debt. In other words, the Treasury prints bonds and the Fed purchases them by printing money. The supply of money thus expands dramatically in relation to goods and services, and high inflation, possibly hyperinflation, would engulf America." http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4236.shtmlGet ready for quite a ride and position yourselves accordingly.funny, this is ver similar to my 9-year old daughters solution to solving the economic crisis (seriously). Guess the Federal Reserve and Treasury strategize like a 4th grader! |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() breckview - 2009-01-29 11:54 AM rayd - 2009-01-29 11:17 AM He's not getting the money back just because he has kids. Put a $40,000 income into Turbo Tax with 4 kids and standard deduction and see how much tax they'd pay. They pay zero and get a check back. It's due to the EITC as noted above. I wrote an article about this once and it was interesting (at least to me). To be fair, many will argue that family pays "employment taxes" which is offset by their negative "income taxes". Others will argue that "employment taxes are Medicare which are actually "premiums", and Social Security which are actually "contributions" to a retirement plan. So neither are actually "taxes".40K supporting 4-kids....yikes! |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() rayd - 2009-01-29 1:59 PM 40K supporting 4-kids....yikes! Let's just say that my brother would love to make $40K and has 3 kids. Make your bed... |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() A tax rebate is not a tax cut. When the tax rate decreases than it is a tax cut. When the government takes your earning and then give you some back and calls it a "cut" than it is nothing more than placating the masses with our money.
Edited by Jackemy 2009-01-29 1:40 PM |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() If you get 100% of your federal income tax back and then more money it is nothing other than welfare. No matter all the fancy titles - getting money for nothing is welfare. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So how many net new jobs in the private sector will this stimulus bill create? No one in government knows....but my answer is zero! Here are some of the "stimulating" things in the bill. $44 million for construction, repair and improvements at US Department of Agriculture facilties Edited by Jackemy 2009-01-29 1:42 PM |
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