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2009-01-29 11:20 AM
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Champion
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Subject: RE: Yet another BO promise broken
Fricking Flip flopper!  You mean to tell me that he may change his path if the conditions warrant it?  How DARE He?!
2009-01-29 11:25 AM
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Sensei
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To bad.  I was really looking forward to paying higher taxes.

Paying taxes is a real joy.

2009-01-29 11:27 AM
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Master
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Subject: RE: Yet another BO promise broken
Raise taxes? I do not recall ever hearing him say he was going to raise taxes except on those making $250,000 per couple or $200,000 individual.  http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/subjects/taxes/ I guess you could argue that closing tax loopholes is raising taxes, but almost all of the taxes are cuts. Maybe someone can show me where he has campaigned on a plan to raise all of our taxes? I mean I know that duing the campaign lots of people were saying he is going to do this or do that, some true and some not. Same with each side, false claims on what the other side is going to do.
2009-01-29 11:38 AM
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Champion
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Subject: RE: Yet another BO promise broken

This is the same old same old.  "Tax cuts" or if you prefer tax credits for some groups including those that owe no income tax.  So you pay nothing and get money back any way this used to be called welfare not tax cuts.  It says nothing about not instituting higher taxes on "the wealthy".

The WSJ article tends to lack specifics about how this tax credit will work

2009-01-29 11:42 AM
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Champion
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Subject: RE: Yet another BO promise broken
trinnas - 2009-01-29 12:38 PM

This is the same old same old.  "Tax cuts" or if you prefer tax credits for some groups including those that owe no income tax.  So you pay nothing and get money back any way this used to be called welfare not tax cuts.  It says nothing about not instituting higher taxes on "the wealthy".

The WSJ article tends to lack specifics about how this tax credit will work

I was discussing this very thing with a friend of mine yesterday.  It drives me nuts when you have someone like my brother who pays no income tax and gets back a $4k refund and I have to pay more in taxes than he made last year.  I am ok paying  more taxes because I pay more, but he gets $4k because he has kids....  I have an issue with that!



2009-01-29 11:51 AM
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Iron Donkey
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Subject: RE: Yet another BO promise broken

But, what shall I do with all this spare money I have?

2009-01-29 11:54 AM
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Subject: RE: Yet another BO promise broken
I guess all the complaining and whining about the deficit during the Bush administration is over now that President Obama is there.
2009-01-29 12:00 PM
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Master
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Subject: RE: Yet another BO promise broken

Just wait till 5 years down the road when some one needs to pay back that 850 billion dollars.  Oops that's us and now there is some great interest on it.  And Inflation from BO printing money we don't have is increasing the price of gas to 10 dollars a gallon for those with jobs outside the gov't.  At this time 1/8 people work for the gov.  Everybody give your nieghbor 10% of all you money and wealth.

Just my thought. 

2009-01-29 12:01 PM
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Master
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Subject: RE: Yet another BO promise broken
I thought BO campaigned on cutting taxes on 95% of Americans. Looks like he's following though on it. Good for him. Giving $ to folks that don't pay taxes can hardly be considered a 'tax cut', more like a tax credit. As always the devil is in the details.

I'm curious to see if he allows the Bush Tax cuts to expire. If he does, that increase should pretty much wipe out any of the 'cuts' he makes now.

AcesFull - 2009-01-29 11:11 AM

After almost two years of campaigning on a plan to raise all of our taxes (at least according to so many posts here and all the stuff I saw on the liberal-dominated media), BO goes and pushes a plan that would CUT taxes! 

In fact, his tax plan cuts more in its first two years than either of the massive tax cuts than Bush engineered (which I also opposed).

 

2009-01-29 12:02 PM
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Master
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Subject: RE: Yet another BO promise broken
I would be interested in seeing a link to where you get back more taxes than you paid out. I can see where you could get back a rebate like last year that would be more in than you paid out. But seriously, I do not see where you get back more from the IRS than you paid out.


2009-01-29 12:04 PM
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Subject: RE: Yet another BO promise broken
1stTimeTri - 2009-01-29 12:51 PM

But, what shall I do with all this spare money I have?

you may give it to me.  thank you very much... 

or you can just send me a tri bike... nothing fancy... size 56.  that will do... 

 

2009-01-29 12:11 PM
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Master
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Subject: RE: Yet another BO promise broken
How about this one?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earned_Income_Tax_Credit

gerald12 - 2009-01-29 12:02 PM

I would be interested in seeing a link to where you get back more taxes than you paid out. I can see where you could get back a rebate like last year that would be more in than you paid out. But seriously, I do not see where you get back more from the IRS than you paid out.
2009-01-29 12:17 PM
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Subject: RE: Yet another BO promise broken
Marvarnett - 2009-01-29 10:42 AM
trinnas - 2009-01-29 12:38 PM

This is the same old same old.  "Tax cuts" or if you prefer tax credits for some groups including those that owe no income tax.  So you pay nothing and get money back any way this used to be called welfare not tax cuts.  It says nothing about not instituting higher taxes on "the wealthy".

The WSJ article tends to lack specifics about how this tax credit will work

I was discussing this very thing with a friend of mine yesterday.  It drives me nuts when you have someone like my brother who pays no income tax and gets back a $4k refund and I have to pay more in taxes than he made last year.  I am ok paying  more taxes because I pay more, but he gets $4k because he has kids....  I have an issue with that!

your brother pays no income tax and still get a 4K refund because he has kids?  What does he have, a small tribe?  I have kids, taxes are taken from my pay, and I still have to pay for 4K to the IRS!

He's not getting the money back just because he has kids.

2009-01-29 12:32 PM
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2009-01-29 12:38 PM
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Master
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leapdog - 2009-01-29 11:11 AM How about this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earned_Income_Tax_Credit
gerald12 - 2009-01-29 12:02 PM I would be interested in seeing a link to where you get back more taxes than you paid out. I can see where you could get back a rebate like last year that would be more in than you paid out. But seriously, I do not see where you get back more from the IRS than you paid out.

Still does not say you get back more than paid out, at least I do not see that.  Can you show me where it is?



2009-01-29 12:45 PM
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Subject: RE: Yet another BO promise broken
rayd - 2009-01-29 1:17 PM
Marvarnett - 2009-01-29 10:42 AM
trinnas - 2009-01-29 12:38 PM

This is the same old same old.  "Tax cuts" or if you prefer tax credits for some groups including those that owe no income tax.  So you pay nothing and get money back any way this used to be called welfare not tax cuts.  It says nothing about not instituting higher taxes on "the wealthy".

The WSJ article tends to lack specifics about how this tax credit will work

I was discussing this very thing with a friend of mine yesterday.  It drives me nuts when you have someone like my brother who pays no income tax and gets back a $4k refund and I have to pay more in taxes than he made last year.  I am ok paying  more taxes because I pay more, but he gets $4k because he has kids....  I have an issue with that!

your brother pays no income tax and still get a 4K refund because he has kids?  What does he have, a small tribe?  I have kids, taxes are taken from my pay, and I still have to pay for 4K to the IRS!

He's not getting the money back just because he has kids.

Then where, pray tell, is the extra money coming from?  Random numbers:  He does his taxes and sees he's paid $2000 in taxes for the year.  After he files, he receives a refund well in excess of that $2000. 

EIC gives him money just for having kids.  I have to assume that without them, he would pay $0 and get $0.  I could be wrong though.

2009-01-29 12:47 PM
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dexter - 2009-01-29 11:00 AM
Just wait till 5 years down the road when some one needs to pay back that 850 billion dollars.

The national debt will NEVER be repaid. The whole "our children will have to pay it back" stuff is nonsense. The US will eventually default or the debt will monetized.

Anybody catch this tiny bit of news yesterday?

"The Federal Reserve on Wednesday said it is prepared to buy long-term government debt if that would help improve credit conditions and signaled some concern that deflation risks were rising."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090128/ts_nm/us_usa_fed_policy_8

which basically means,

"The third source of financing is for the Federal Reserve to monetize the debt. In other words, the Treasury prints bonds and the Fed purchases them by printing money. The supply of money thus expands dramatically in relation to goods and services, and high inflation, possibly hyperinflation, would engulf America."
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4236.shtml

Get ready for quite a ride and position yourselves accordingly.
2009-01-29 12:54 PM
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Master
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rayd - 2009-01-29 11:17 AM
He's not getting the money back just because he has kids.


Put a $40,000 income into Turbo Tax with 4 kids and standard deduction and see how much tax they'd pay. They pay zero and get a check back. It's due to the EITC as noted above. I wrote an article about this once and it was interesting (at least to me).

To be fair, many will argue that family pays "employment taxes" which is offset by their negative "income taxes".

Others will argue that "employment taxes are Medicare which are actually "premiums", and Social Security which are actually "contributions" to a retirement plan. So neither are actually "taxes".

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2009-01-29 12:58 PM
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Subject: RE: Yet another BO promise broken

breckview - 2009-01-29 11:47 AM
dexter - 2009-01-29 11:00 AM Just wait till 5 years down the road when some one needs to pay back that 850 billion dollars.
The national debt will NEVER be repaid. The whole "our children will have to pay it back" stuff is nonsense. The US will eventually default or the debt will monetized. Anybody catch this tiny bit of news yesterday? "The Federal Reserve on Wednesday said it is prepared to buy long-term government debt if that would help improve credit conditions and signaled some concern that deflation risks were rising." http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090128/ts_nm/us_usa_fed_policy_8which basically means, "The third source of financing is for the Federal Reserve to monetize the debt. In other words, the Treasury prints bonds and the Fed purchases them by printing money. The supply of money thus expands dramatically in relation to goods and services, and high inflation, possibly hyperinflation, would engulf America." http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4236.shtmlGet ready for quite a ride and position yourselves accordingly.

funny, this is ver similar to my 9-year old daughters solution to solving the economic crisis (seriously).  Guess the Federal Reserve and Treasury strategize like a 4th grader! 

2009-01-29 12:59 PM
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Subject: RE: Yet another BO promise broken

breckview - 2009-01-29 11:54 AM
rayd - 2009-01-29 11:17 AM He's not getting the money back just because he has kids.
Put a $40,000 income into Turbo Tax with 4 kids and standard deduction and see how much tax they'd pay. They pay zero and get a check back. It's due to the EITC as noted above. I wrote an article about this once and it was interesting (at least to me). To be fair, many will argue that family pays "employment taxes" which is offset by their negative "income taxes". Others will argue that "employment taxes are Medicare which are actually "premiums", and Social Security which are actually "contributions" to a retirement plan. So neither are actually "taxes".

40K supporting 4-kids....yikes!



2009-01-29 1:11 PM
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Subject: RE: Yet another BO promise broken
rayd - 2009-01-29 1:59 PM

40K supporting 4-kids....yikes!

Let's just say that my brother would love to make $40K and has 3 kids.  Make your bed...

2009-01-29 1:33 PM
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Master
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Subject: RE: Yet another BO promise broken

A tax rebate is not a tax cut. When the tax rate decreases than it is a tax cut. When the government takes your earning and then give you some back and calls it a "cut" than it is nothing more than placating the masses with our money.

 

 



Edited by Jackemy 2009-01-29 1:40 PM
2009-01-29 1:33 PM
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Subject: RE: Yet another BO promise broken
If you get 100% of your federal income tax back and then more money it is nothing other than welfare.

No matter all the fancy titles - getting money for nothing is welfare.
2009-01-29 1:39 PM
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Master
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Subject: RE: Yet another BO promise broken

So how many net new jobs in the private sector will this stimulus bill create? No one in government knows....but my answer is zero!

Here are some of the "stimulating" things in the bill.

$44 million for construction, repair and improvements at US Department of Agriculture facilties

$209 million for work on deferred maintenance at Agricultural Research Service facilities

$245 million for maintaining and modernizing the IT system of the Farm Service Agency

$175 million to buy and restore floodplain easements for flood prevention

$50 million for "Watershed Rehabilitation"

$1.1 billion for rural community facilities direct loans

$2 billion for rural business and industry guaranteed loans

$2.7 billion for rural water and waste dispoal direct loans

$22.1 billion for rural housing insurance fund loans

$2.8 billion for loans to spur rural broadband

$150 million for emergency food assistance

$50 million for regional economic development commissions

$1 billion for "Periodic Censuses and Programs"

$350 million for State Broadband Data and Development Grants

$1.8 billion for Rural Broadband Deployment Grants

$1 billion for Rural Wireless Deployment Grants

$650 million for Digital-to-Analog Converter Box Program

$100 million for "Scientific and Technical Research and Services" at the National Institute of Standards And Technology

$30 million for necessary expenses of the "Hollings Manufacturing Extension Partnership"

$300 million for a competitive construction grant program for research science buildings

$400 million for "habitat restoration and mitigation activities" at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

$600 million for "accelerating satellite development and acquisition"

$140 million for "climate data modeling"

$3 billion for state and local law enforcement grants

$1 billion for "Community Oriented Policing Services"

$250 million for "accelerating the development of the tier 1 set of Earth science climate research missions recommended by the National Academies Decadal Survey."

$50 million for repairs to NASA facilities from storm damage

$300 million for "Major Research Insrumentation program" (science)

$200 million for "academic research facilities modernization"

$100 million for "Education and Human Resources"

$400 million for "Major Research Equipment and Facilities Construction"

$4.5 billion to make military facilities more energy efficient

$1.5 billion for Army Operation and Maintenance fund

$624 million for Navy Operation and Maintenance

$128 million for Marine Corps Operation and Maintenance

$1.23 billion for Air Force Operation and Maintenance

$454 million to "Defense Health Program"

$110 million for Army Reserve Operation and Maintenance

$62 million for Navy Reserve Operation and Maintenance

$45 million for Marine Corps Reserve Operation and Maintenance

$14 million for Air Force Reserve Operation and Maintenance

$302 million for National Guard Operation and Maintenance

$29 million for Air National Guard Operation and Maintenance

$350 million for military energy research and development programs

$2 billion for Army Corps of Engineers "Construction"

$250 million for "Mississippi River and Tributaries"

$2.2 billion for Army Corps "Operation and Maintenance"

$25 million for an Army Corps "Regulatory Program"

$126 million for Interior Department "water reclamation and reuse projects"

$80 million for "rural water projects"

$18.5 billion for "Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy" research in the Department of Energy. That money includes:

$2 billion for development of advanced batteries

$800 million of that is for biomass research and $400 million for geothermal technologies

$1 billion in grants to "institutional entities for energy sustainability and efficiency"

$6.2 billion for the Weatherization Assistance Program

$3.5 billion for Energy Efficiency and Conservation Block Grants

$3.4 billion for state energy programs

$200 million for expenses to implement energy independence programs

$300 million for expenses to implement Energy efficient appliance rebate programs including the Energy Star program

$400 million for expenses to implement Alternative Fuel Vehicle and Infrastructure Grants to States and Local Governments

$1 billion for expenses necessary for advanced battery manufacturing

$4.5 billion to modernize the nation's electricity grid

$1 billion for the Advanced Battery Loan Guarantee Program

$2.4 billion to demonstrate "carbon capture and sequestration technologies"

$400 million for the Advanced Research Projects Agency (Science)

$500 million for "Defense Environmental Cleanup"

$1 billion for construction and repair of border facilities and land ports of entry

$6 billion for energy efficiency projects on government buildings

$600 million to buy and lease government plug-in and alternative fuel vehicles

$426 million in small business loans

$100 million for "non-intrusive detection technology to be deployed at sea ports of entry

$150 million for repair and construction at land border ports of entry

$500 million for explosive detection systems for aviation security

$150 million for alteration or removal of obstructive bridges

$200 million for FEMA Emergency Food and Shelter program

$325 million for Interior Department road, bridge and trail repair projects

$300 million for road and bridge work in Wildlife Refuges and Fish Hatcheries

$1.7 billion for "critical deferred maintenance" in the National Park System

$200 million to revitalize the National Mall in Washington, D.C.

$100 million for National Park Service Centennial Challenge programs

$200 million for repair of U.S. Geological Survey facilities

$500 million for repair and replacement of schools, jails, roads, bridges, housing and more for Bureau of Indian Affairs

$800 million for Superfund programs

$200 million for leaking underground storage tank cleanup

$8.4 billion in "State and Tribal Assistance Grants"

$650 million in "Capital Improvement and Maintenance" at the Agriculture Dept.

$850 million for "Wildland Fire Management"

$550 million for Indian Health facilties

$150 million for deferred maintenance at the Smithsonian museums

$50 million in grants to fund "arts projects and activities which preserve jobs in the non-profit arts sector threatened by declines in philanthropic and other support during the current economic downturn" through the National Endowment for the Arts

$1.2 billion in grants to states for youth summer jobs programs and other activities

$1 billion for states in dislocated worker employment and training activities

$500 million for the dislocated workers assistance national reserve

$80 million for the enforcement of worker protection laws and regulations related to infrastructure and unemployment insurance investments

$300 million for "construction, rehabilitation and acquisition of Job Corps Centers"

$250 million for public health centers

$1 billion for renovation and repair of health centers

$600 million for nurse, physician and dentist training

$462 million for renovation work at the Centers for Disease Control

$1.5 billion for "National Center for Research Resources"

$500 million for "Buildlings and Facilties" at the National Institutes of Health in suburban Washington, D.C.

$700 million for "comparative effectiveness research" on prescription drugs

$1 billion for Low-Income Home Energy Assistance

$2 billion in Child Care and Development Block Grants for states

$1 billion for Head Start programs

$1.1 billion for Early Head Start programs

$100 million for Social Security research programs

$200 million for "Aging Services Programs"

$2 billion for "Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology"

$430 million for public health/social services emergency funds

$2.3 billion for the Centers for Disease Control for a variety of programs

$5.5 billion in targeted education grants

$5.5 billion in "education finance incentive grants"

$2 billion in "school improvement grants"

$13.6 billion for Individuals with Disabilities Education Act

$250 million for statewide education data systems

$14 billion for school modernization, renovation and repair

$160 million for AmeriCorps grants

$400 million for the construction and costs to establish a new "National Computer Center" for the Social Security Administration

$500 million to improve processing of disability and retirement claims

$920 million for Army housing and child development centers

$350 million for Navy and Marine Corps housing and child development centers

$280 million in Air Force housing and child development centers

$3.75 billion in military hospital and surgery center construction

$140 million in Army National Guard construction projects

$70 million in Air National Guard construction projects

$100 million in Army Reserve construction projects

$30 million in Navy Reserve construction projects

$60 million in Air Force Reserve construction projects

$950 million for VA Medical Facilities

$50 million for repairs for military cemeteries

$120 million for a backup information management facility for the State Department

$98 million for National Cybersecurity Initiative

$3 billion for "Grants-in-Aid for Airports"

$300 million for Indian Reservation roads

$300 million for Amtrak capital needs

$800 million for national railroad assets or infrastructure repairs, upgrades

$5.4 billion in federal transit grants

$2 billion in infrastructure development for subways and commuter railways

$5 billion for public housing capital

$1 billion in competitive housing grants

$2.5 billion for energy efficiency upgrades in public housing

$500 million in Native American Housing Block Grants

$4.1 billion to help communities deal with foreclosed homes

$1.5 billion in homeless prevention activities

$79 billion in education funds for states



Edited by Jackemy 2009-01-29 1:42 PM
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