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 2009-07-22 11:21 AM |
Master  1790     Tyler, TX |  Subject: Contador's move smart or stupid??I don't know much about bike racing... Contador's move on the last hill dropped his teammate Kloden, who consequently fell in the overall ranking. Would Kloden have been able to keep up without that move, or would he have been dropped anyway? Seems like a smart move for Contador personally (he gained on the field), but maybe not for the team since he pulled the Schlecks into 2nd and 3rd place overall. So, smart move or stupid move? Should he have just held back even though he was feeling strong? Brian |
| 2009-07-22 11:35 AM in reply to: #2301581 |
Elite 3395 Raleigh | Subject: RE: Contador's move smart or stupid?? Kloden is the domestique and AC is the contender. AC should have waited. Lance did the same thing to his domestiques throughout the years. Waiting for Andres could have cost Alberto time he could not spare down the road. It was the smart thing to do. No team is trying to get hird at the expense of 1st. Astana is better situated for the TT than the Schleck bros. |
| 2009-07-22 11:36 AM in reply to: #2301581 |
| Pro 4054 yep, | Subject: RE: Contador's move smart or stupid?? I think at the time he thought he would be able to break the Schlek brothers but that didn't happen. |
| 2009-07-22 11:39 AM in reply to: #2301628 |
Champion 9060 Charlottesville, Virginia | Subject: RE: Contador's move smart or stupid?? Make sure you put *spoiler* in the thread title, not everyone has seen todays race yet. Agree, no one is racing for 2nd or 3rd. Wiggins, LA and Contador will gain time on both Schlecks in the TT. |
| 2009-07-22 11:48 AM in reply to: #2301639 |
Extreme Veteran 417 Davidson | Subject: RE: Contador's move smart or stupid?? dalessit - 2009-07-22 12:39 PM Make sure you put *spoiler* in the thread title, not everyone has seen todays race yet. X2. Was looking forward to the Tivo tonight... |
| 2009-07-22 12:32 PM in reply to: #2301639 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Contador's move smart or stupid?? dalessit - 2009-07-22 12:39 PM Make sure you put *spoiler* in the thread title, not everyone has seen todays race yet. Agree, no one is racing for 2nd or 3rd. Wiggins, LA and Contador will gain time on both Schlecks in the TT. Well, I don't know how off they'll be. On one hand, Andy was 18th, 1' behind after the first TT, Frank was off 1'36". The thing was though that stage was up-hill then down-hill to the Schleck's strengths. This TT will be flat with one little climb so there could be larger gaps for the "elite" time-trialists. |
| 2009-07-22 12:37 PM in reply to: #2301581 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Contador's move smart or stupid?? Seemed to me he backed down too soon with the brothers chasing him. I wonder if he was really committed to pulling away or was just testing them. |
| 2009-07-22 12:56 PM in reply to: #2301581 |
Master 1688 ALSAGER, CHESHIRE. UK | Subject: RE: Contador's move smart or stupid?? Bertie had a quick conversation with Kloden about both of them testing out the Schlecks. Kloden said Yes.... but found he didn't have the legs. Bertie kept on looking around for Kloden & didn't take the lead from then on. He had to stay with the brothers after that. Wait for the press release. He said as much before he got up to receive the Yellow Jersey. |
| 2009-07-22 1:26 PM in reply to: #2301658 |
Master 1404 Eagle Mountain, Utah | Subject: RE: Contador's move smart or stupid?? trinewby - 2009-07-22 10:48 AM dalessit - 2009-07-22 12:39 PM Make sure you put *spoiler* in the thread title, not everyone has seen todays race yet. X2. Was looking forward to the Tivo tonight... I see the point but why click on the thread as it is listed? |
| 2009-07-22 1:42 PM in reply to: #2301962 |
| Pro 4054 yep, | Subject: RE: Contador's move smart or stupid?? gerald12 - 2009-07-22 2:26 PM trinewby - 2009-07-22 10:48 AM dalessit - 2009-07-22 12:39 PM Make sure you put *spoiler* in the thread title, not everyone has seen todays race yet. X2. Was looking forward to the Tivo tonight... I see the point but why click on the thread as it is listed?
typically its just commen courtesy but no biggy |
| 2009-07-22 1:56 PM in reply to: #2301581 |
Elite 3088 Austin, TX Gold member | Subject: RE: Contador's move smart or stupid?? Stupid move. Check Astana's website and you'll see that Johann told him not to attack. There was no point. He already had the lead on both of them and was pretty much assured of putting more time into them on the TT tomorrow. Tactically, it was dumb because it left him isolated with the Schlecks. If he had any problems, he didn't have Kloden there to help him out. It was also a big "screw you" to Kloden and Lance, since AC dragged the Schlecks ahead of both of them. That was a classless move, especially considering how selflessly Lance rode both yesterday and today. |
| 2009-07-22 2:09 PM in reply to: #2301581 |
Elite 4504 Columbus, Ohio | Subject: RE: Contador's move smart or stupid?? Stupid. He shot the team in the foot. I don't think the Shlecks' had any ability to shake Contador and I don't think they were going to attack again. Their move was to break things up, beat Wiggins and to get a cushion going into the TT. If he didn't attack you may have seen a 1-2-3 Astana podium... now it will be hard. I will admit that I think Kloden was hurting. He couldn't keep up with Lance at the finish. Lance got 20" on Andy and 56" on Frank in the first TT of only 15.5km. Kloden had 38" and 1:14 respectively. The next TT is 40km. If they hold to form Lance and Kloden should be able to make up a good chunk of time on the brothers. But as everyone has said... It will all come down to the last day on the climb on Mont Ventoux. (yes, i know they still have one more stage after Ventoux, but there is gentleman's rule of no GC attacks going into Paris) Edited by JChristoff 2009-07-22 2:12 PM |
| 2009-07-22 2:52 PM in reply to: #2302093 |
Expert 1603 Westchester, NY | Subject: RE: Contador's move smart or stupid?? If LA was not pissed before, he sure is now. Check out a couple of his latest on Twitter: lancearmstrongRT @LeviLeipheimer: If Andreas finishes 4th in GC by less than 2' from 3rd, we know where he lost it. . . lancearmstrongGetting lots of question why AC attacked and dropped Kloden. I still haven't figured it out either. Oh well. |
| 2009-07-22 4:45 PM in reply to: #2301581 |
Master 1688 ALSAGER, CHESHIRE. UK | Subject: RE: Contador's move smart or stupid?? Recheck your video footage with 18.5km to go. Bertie definitely speaks to Kloden & makes hand gesture about making a move. I'll lead you get my wheel. (First three for Astana in the GC!) Kloden nods his head. He obviously didn't know his legs were about to give way. Had Kloden not been there Bertie would have piffed off by himself leaving the Schlecks behind, having time to change bikes, mend a puncture himself & written a postcard to Lance. |
| 2009-07-22 5:57 PM in reply to: #2301581 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Contador's move smart or stupid?? If you look at this article. It'll be interesting if Contador doesn't have to domestique himself on Ventoux... |
| 2009-07-22 6:49 PM in reply to: #2302546 |
Elite 3595 Quebec, Canada | Subject: RE: Contador's move smart or stupid?? It was stupid, Contador showed once again that he rides for himself and that he doesn't care about his teammates. He had no reason to attack today, all he had to do was to wait for a move from the Schleck. Instead of that he dropped a guy who took care of him for the last 15 days or so. |
| 2009-07-23 12:16 AM in reply to: #2301581 |
Expert 805 Portland,OR | Subject: RE: Contador's move smart or stupid?? My opinion, dumb move. There was no need for AC to attack. He should have made one of the Shleck brothers attack, which they may or may not have done. If there had been no attack I think Kloden would have been able to hang on for sure. All he did by that move was hurt Kloden's chances at a podium spot and it did nothing to help him or the team. I think both LA and Kloden should be able to make up some time tomorrow, then it's every man for himself on Ventoux. Edited by rsqdvr 2009-07-23 12:21 AM |
| 2009-07-23 9:22 AM in reply to: #2302594 |
Extreme Veteran 466 Cornfield in Northern Iowa | Subject: RE: Contador's move smart or stupid?? rlejeune - 2009-07-22 6:49 PM It was stupid, Contador showed once again that he rides for himself and that he doesn't care about his teammates. He had no reason to attack today, all he had to do was to wait for a move from the Schleck. Instead of that he dropped a guy who took care of him for the last 15 days or so. x2 pretty much telling the rest of the team, screw you I'm number one on this team and the rest of you can suck my rubber after working so hard to get me in th yellow. Was never a big AC fan before but definately have no respect for him now |
| 2009-07-23 9:37 AM in reply to: #2302468 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Contador's move smart or stupid?? 4everblue - 2009-07-22 5:45 PM Had Kloden not been there Bertie would have piffed off by himself leaving the Schlecks behind, having time to change bikes, mend a puncture himself & written a postcard to Lance. How about after the break? Kloden was not there then and "Bertie" still didn't piff off. |
| 2009-07-23 9:52 AM in reply to: #2301962 |
Extreme Veteran 417 Davidson | Subject: RE: Contador's move smart or stupid?? gerald12 - 2009-07-22 2:26 PM trinewby - 2009-07-22 10:48 AM dalessit - 2009-07-22 12:39 PM Make sure you put *spoiler* in the thread title, not everyone has seen todays race yet. X2. Was looking forward to the Tivo tonight... I see the point but why click on the thread as it is listed? This isn't a huge deal, but it would be nice to know if the thread contains comments about the day's race that many, if not most of us, can't watch until the evening. There isn't anything in the title of this thread to indicate what 'move' was being discussed. Contador has definitely made more than one controversial 'move' during the TdF. All of the other threads that contain information about the day's race provide a "Spoiler Alert" notice. Again, don't want to make a bigger deal out of this than it should be, but you asked "...why click on the thread..." etc. and now you have my answer. And back to our regularly scheduled programming and the topic of this thread, I have to say it sure looks like AC is acting mostly out of self interest. I noticed his conversation with Kloden when watching the coverage and suspected they were talking about trying to drop the Schlek's, but I had to ask myself, why? Seems to me that with all of the yellow crap he was wearing that he was clearly aware of the fact that he ALREADY HAD THE YELLOW JERSEY! WTF was he thinking? I gotta' say, I now have more respect for LA for sitting on Wiggo's wheel until his legs got weak. He tried to drop him once and he hung on, so he slowed and got back into position on his wheel. After wating a few miles, he dumped him like a bag of rocks. I believe that he could have used that time to close the gap on AC, but he stayed put and it definitely hurt Wiggo. I don't think you will ever see AC do the same for anyone else, including Lance, on the Astana team. JMHO, Greg |
| 2009-07-23 2:27 PM in reply to: #2303563 |
Master 1404 Eagle Mountain, Utah | Subject: RE: Contador's move smart or stupid?? trinewby - 2009-07-23 8:52 AM gerald12 - 2009-07-22 2:26 PM trinewby - 2009-07-22 10:48 AM dalessit - 2009-07-22 12:39 PM Make sure you put *spoiler* in the thread title, not everyone has seen todays race yet. X2. Was looking forward to the Tivo tonight... I see the point but why click on the thread as it is listed? This isn't a huge deal, but it would be nice to know if the thread contains comments about the day's race that many, if not most of us, can't watch until the evening. There isn't anything in the title of this thread to indicate what 'move' was being discussed. Contador has definitely made more than one controversial 'move' during the TdF. All of the other threads that contain information about the day's race provide a "Spoiler Alert" notice. Again, don't want to make a bigger deal out of this than it should be, but you asked "...why click on the thread..." etc. and now you have my answer. And back to our regularly scheduled programming and the topic of this thread, I have to say it sure looks like AC is acting mostly out of self interest. I noticed his conversation with Kloden when watching the coverage and suspected they were talking about trying to drop the Schlek's, but I had to ask myself, why? Seems to me that with all of the yellow crap he was wearing that he was clearly aware of the fact that he ALREADY HAD THE YELLOW JERSEY! WTF was he thinking? I gotta' say, I now have more respect for LA for sitting on Wiggo's wheel until his legs got weak. He tried to drop him once and he hung on, so he slowed and got back into position on his wheel. After wating a few miles, he dumped him like a bag of rocks. I believe that he could have used that time to close the gap on AC, but he stayed put and it definitely hurt Wiggo. I don't think you will ever see AC do the same for anyone else, including Lance, on the Astana team. JMHO, Greg um, ok |
| 2009-07-24 3:47 PM in reply to: #2302057 |
Champion 6225 | Subject: RE: Contador's move smart or stupid?? dgunthert - 2009-07-22 1:56 PM Stupid move. Check Astana's website and you'll see that Johann told him not to attack. There was no point. He already had the lead on both of them and was pretty much assured of putting more time into them on the TT tomorrow. Tactically, it was dumb because it left him isolated with the Schlecks. If he had any problems, he didn't have Kloden there to help him out. It was also a big "screw you" to Kloden and Lance, since AC dragged the Schlecks ahead of both of them. That was a classless move, especially considering how selflessly Lance rode both yesterday and today. DENNIS. your comment answered my question. what Contador did, was he being an excellent rider or a total jag off? i thought the same thing. a big 'screw you'. classless, indeed. stacieb Edited by skrtrnr 2009-07-24 3:50 PM |
| 2009-07-24 3:54 PM in reply to: #2301581 |
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