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2009-08-06 10:16 AM

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Subject: Sister wants to run a 1/2 in 2 months...can she do it?
My younger sister (21 yrs. old) approached me saying she wants to run a 1/2 marathon on October 10th. She's been running 3-4 times a week throughout the summer, approx. 2-3 miles. Her longest run *ever* has been 3 miles. She's in average shape- doesn't do tris or road races and isn't serious or too committed to working out. She has reasonable natural athletic ability, but hasn't always shown that much motivation.

So...she has 2 months to go from 3 to 13.1- do you think this is doable? And without injury? She is asking me to make training plans for her. I would go with 3 runs/week (hills, interval, long slow distance). But her distance run would have to jump up pretty quickly. What do you think? Anyone ever done something like this before?

As her older sister I truly want to show support and I'm very excited she's showing interest in running- but I want to be realistic with her, too.

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2009-08-06 10:21 AM
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It doesn't sound like a great idea... there are other ways you could be supportive of her upping her running and aiming for a goal, but maybe something like a 10K, or 10-Miler, if there is one nearby and in the right timeframe?

If she's doing a max of 3 miles right now, she'd have to up that long run by about 25% a week, every week, to get to 13.1 by the race date.  That's not usually what is recommended....
2009-08-06 10:28 AM
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Sounds like a bad idea.  Pick one later and get her on a Hal Higdon novice plan.  Can the hill and interval workouts.  Just get her out there running and safely building up the mileage.

 

2009-08-06 10:29 AM
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21 years old, runs 3 to 4 times a week and has two months? She could get up to a 9/10 mile long run and a week of cutback before the event. Another three to four weeks would be ideal, but given her young age and starting base, she can probably pull it off as long as she doesn't develop any injuries. It will be a pretty quick ramp up so she'll have to be willing to throw in the towel if any pains pop up that need some time to heal.
2009-08-06 10:34 AM
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Why not do a run/walk?  I lost interest in my half training plan after my long 6 mile run (which I ran/walked).  I did the R/W for the half and while I'm completely thrilled with my time (+15 min longer than I planned) - I finished it and felt fine.

And to just throw more fuel on the fire - I did a run-a-thon in Dec, 2 miles a day, and then didn't run in Jan until PF Chang's and did R/W and only finished 10 mins slower than the first (which was downhill).  She can do it, just don't go out and try to RUN 13 miles.

2009-08-06 10:44 AM
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I think of course she can, where there is a will there is a way!  She certainly needs to stretch and pay attention to her body for signs of injury or overuse but at that age why not?  I've always thought if you can run 3 miles you can run 4...she needs to start ramping it up and make sure she is gettting her rest days to recoup in as well.


2009-08-06 10:48 AM
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Subject: RE: Sister wants to run a 1/2 in 2 months...can she do it?
I think she can do it if she puts her ego aside and listens to her body - and is prepared for some walking. Nothing wrong with walk/run combos.

I'm doing a 1/2 mary in 2 months, on little training because I was injured. My original plan was to totally rock this distance and finish around 2 hours. Now my plan is to run 1K, walk 1K, for as long as I can then walk the rest if I have to. My new goal is 3 hours.

As long as she realizes she's not going to "race" this one ... and as long as she stays injury free and respects her body ... I don't see why not.
2009-08-06 10:54 AM
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The reason not to at her age is because of injury.  Someone who is 35 and has been running 3-4miles 4x a week for years could probably do this no problem.  A 21 year old running 3x a week with the longest ever being 3 miles does not have a lot of volume to build on.  She'd need a LOT of recovery time to ramp up the mileage that fast, and that time just isn't there.  The last thing I want to happen is for her to go out and get planter fasciitis, ITBS, or anything else at the age of 21, quit running, and then never pick it up again. 

So... find a 10k, walk it, or find a HIM at least 3-4months off.

2009-08-06 11:12 AM
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2009-08-06 12:03 PM
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I'm with the run/walk crowd.. build the base mileage 10% a week then go in with a run/walk plan..
2009-08-06 12:12 PM
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Depends on if your sister wants to finish or compete.

My orthopaedist told me "if you can do three runs of 6 miles a week, you have the fitness to finish a half-marathon".  He was right.  I did just that after hurting my IT band just as I got my mileage up to 8 miles in training.  I built back up from 2 mile runs.  It wasn't fast and I limped for days afterwards, but I finished and it was great.

As long as she runs slowly and builds up her mileage slowly, she should be OK to finish.  She is 21, so she will recover faster than an older runner.

However, if she's not so committed to working out and only going 3 miles at a time now, why not pick a race you can train for and run together that give her more time to build?  A destination race, even.  There are plenty of great 1/2 marathons in the fall and winter that you could do.



2009-08-06 12:52 PM
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I say she should go for it...she needs to work hard, train hard (and smart), have weekly goals in mind and realize that if she doesn't reach them she'll be in trouble come race day.  But the human body can do amazing things when there is a belief they can be done, and I don't think 13.1 is at all unrealistic in 2 months.

Similar story: my sister and I talked about my tri training during Thanksgiving this past year.  She used to be very athletic, gymnastics and whatnot, and decided she'd like to start running (which she hadn't done since high school, more than a decade and a daughter ago).  Then during Christmas she said she was gonna run the Boston Marathon.  Exactly 16 weeks later she crossed the finish line and while she wasn't one of the fastest (finished in 4:10) and had an all-over pain throughout her body for the next week, she accomplished what she set out to do.

If your sister wants to do 13.1 miles in about 8 weeks then get her training: forget the speed work, hills, intervals, anything like that (unless it's a hilly track, in which case I'd have her run a hilly portion of it the few weeks leading up to it).  Have her run 2-3 miles a few times a week, then a long run every weekend, ramping up the mileage as she goes.  She can easily get to 10+ with time to taper, and the last 2-3 will just be 'gut-it-out' miles.  Granted, you won't be going by the perfect 10% rule, but at 15% she'll get right around there (here are the distances going by about 15% per week):  3.5 on week 1; 4 on week 2; 4.7 on week 3; 5.2 on week 4; 6 on week 5; 6.9 on week 6; 8 on week 7; 9.2 on week 8; and finally 10.5 the week before.

It's doable...she may have to walk a portion of it, she'll probably be dead to the world the week after, but if she wants to do it I don't think there's any reason she can't.


2009-08-06 3:09 PM
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I think it's doable, but it's hard to say if it's a smart idea -- totally depends on whether she's willing to commit to it. I'd recommend Hal Higdon's novice plan, which is fairly low mileage and only takes you up to 10 miles before the race. I used it for my first half mary and felt fine, both during the training and in the race (but I had done longer runs than your sister and had been running pretty consistently for many months). My recommendation would be to look up two or three novice plans (Higdon's and maybe a run/walk plan), figure out where your sister would be jumping into the training (ie, with Higdon's plan she'd be starting at week three, I believe), and ask her if that seems doable. Week three with Higdon has three or four runs: two 3.5-mile runs, one 2-mile run, one 5-mile run.

If she sees the mileage she'd need to do and it doesn't freak her out, then hey, give it a shot. If she ends up really struggling to meet the weekly mileage, or just loses interest, she can always bag the race or decide to do a 10k instead.
2009-08-06 10:32 PM
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I did my first 100 mile bike ride a few weeks ago and I had never ridden a road bike...my bike was three days old on the ride ~!  Granted, I was in good shape/did spin classes...but I had literally never ridden my bike more than a few blocks on my test ride!!!  I guess my point is-sure she can do it...may not have the top notch time but if she wants to do it then go for it...worst case she may have to walk some.  I would start increasing my mileage now for the run though...so she can do her best!  I think she can do it!  I remember when I started running I went from barely being able to puff through an 1/8th of a mile to running six miles within a couple months...
2009-08-06 11:47 PM
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I did something very similar a year and a half ago at age 26..... running 3-4x a week 2-3 miles, longest run was 4 miles, signed up for a half marathon 9 weeks out.  Got up to a 10 mile long run 2 weeks before the race, completed the race (slow, but ran the whole thing).  I did end up with pain in the back of my knee that lasted for several months.  It was already bothering me a bit by race day, and the race just made it worse.

Overall it was a good experience, but I'm lucky I didn't injure myself more seriously and I wouldn't do it again the same way or recommend it.

2009-08-07 2:08 AM
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Can do it?  Yes.  Should do it?  Probably not.

It's close, but I'd want at least two more weeks before I'd feel comfortable telling someone with that background they could get reasonably prepared.  Sounds a bit like my decision to do my first marathon about 10 weeks before the race...I had the weekly volume to do it, but not the long runs.  Didn't have the time to really get up to where I should ideally have been and I suffered for it...ran all but two miles, but it was absolute hell and the recovery wasn't quick.


2009-08-07 2:16 AM
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Yes she can finish a 1/2 with 2 months of training. But it's not likely she's going to RUN a 1/2 with only 2 months of training. Walk/run yes... if her goal is to finish, then why not? Just be prepaired to suffer a bit and it can be done.
2009-08-07 7:44 AM
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I say do it.  I did my first half at 25 running the same amount only having ever done a max of 6 miles a few times before that.  I only "trained" for 4 weeks.  I completed it, but learned a very important lesson about nutrition- I almost puked at mile 8 because I hadn't eaten enough and was going too hard. 

I think she can do it if she does it carefully and with good advice from her wise sibling
2009-08-07 8:40 AM
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If she is interested in doing longer runs leading up to Oct 10th I think she can. A 10K along the way may be a good idea too.
I did my first (and only) marathon at 21. My body was very forgiving then but you also have to pay attention it.
2009-08-07 8:52 AM
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jmholmes02 - 2009-08-06 11:32 PM I did my first 100 mile bike ride a few weeks ago and I had never ridden a road bike...my bike was three days old on the ride ~!  Granted, I was in good shape/did spin classes...but I had literally never ridden my bike more than a few blocks on my test ride!!!  I guess my point is-sure she can do it...may not have the top notch time but if she wants to do it then go for it...worst case she may have to walk some.  I would start increasing my mileage now for the run though...so she can do her best!  I think she can do it!  I remember when I started running I went from barely being able to puff through an 1/8th of a mile to running six miles within a couple months...

Riding a bike is VERY different than running. Most in-shape people can get on a bike and ride until they drop without much lasting effect. If you were at least conditioned from spin class and the terrain you rode on was pretty flat, i can see how that'd be doable. The issue here is that running can easily cause injury if you do not have a proper base, which this girl really does not. If she had an extra month, I'd say to use the Hal Higdon novice plan, which is 12 weeks long. Otherwise, I'd say no. Or do a run/walk plan a la Galloway - that might be doable.

2009-08-07 1:07 PM
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I'm going to join the can the speedwork and slowly build mileage then go for it crowd. I wasn't well prepared for my first ever race but I did it anyway and had a great time. getting out there and finishing your first race is more important than being perfectly prepared IMO


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Boogie7247 - 2009-08-06 12:12 PM yes. complete not compete


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If she can learn how to pace herself she should be fine.  I would get her to focus as much on recovery as she does on running.  The energy in the air of the event should give her any added push she needs.
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tcovert - 2009-08-07 2:08 AM Can do it?  Yes.  Should do it?  Probably not.

It's close, but I'd want at least two more weeks before I'd feel comfortable telling someone with that background they could get reasonably prepared.  Sounds a bit like my decision to do my first marathon about 10 weeks before the race...I had the weekly volume to do it, but not the long runs.  Didn't have the time to really get up to where I should ideally have been and I suffered for it...ran all but two miles, but it was absolute hell and the recovery wasn't quick.


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Can - Yes, people can do alot of pretty impressive things if they are mentally tough.
Best practice - No

I'm not in the OMG, 13 miles?! crowd.  She could slog a slow half out like alot of people do.  Have you ever seen some of the people that make it through these races?  (not to offend anyone, just making a point)

The big thing he hit on is the recovery.  I think after few times a week for a couple months a 21 year old in reasonable physical condition could absolutely gut out 13 miles on race day.  She'll just still be hurting a lot longer than the people who trained properly and will be putting herself at higher risk of injury, especially if she pushes it too hard.

I'm not a coach or experienced runner though so take that for what its worth...
2009-08-07 1:58 PM
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I believe that two months is plenty of time to train to complete a 13.1 mile run.
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wurkit_gurl - 2009-08-07 8:52 AM

jmholmes02 - 2009-08-06 11:32 PM I did my first 100 mile bike ride a few weeks ago and I had never ridden a road bike...my bike was three days old on the ride ~!  Granted, I was in good shape/did spin classes...but I had literally never ridden my bike more than a few blocks on my test ride!!!  I guess my point is-sure she can do it...may not have the top notch time but if she wants to do it then go for it...worst case she may have to walk some.  I would start increasing my mileage now for the run though...so she can do her best!  I think she can do it!  I remember when I started running I went from barely being able to puff through an 1/8th of a mile to running six miles within a couple months...

Riding a bike is VERY different than running. Most in-shape people can get on a bike and ride until they drop without much lasting effect. If you were at least conditioned from spin class and the terrain you rode on was pretty flat, i can see how that'd be doable. The issue here is that running can easily cause injury if you do not have a proper base, which this girl really does not. If she had an extra month, I'd say to use the Hal Higdon novice plan, which is 12 weeks long. Otherwise, I'd say no. Or do a run/walk plan a la Galloway - that might be doable.



Say that to my husband who is an avid runner-he would think that is quite humorous...depends on your body because my husband can easily run, which I would agree is harder for ME than biking, but to him running is easier (I conned him into the 100 mile ride)...I think it is mental/depends on person.  For me- three daughters, drug-free child births...that is always my mental training to push through  
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