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2005-12-13 12:29 PM

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Subject: School Uniforms
For the past year of so, some cities in the Vancouver area have been putting dress codes into affect at public schools. My niece is almost 8 and might be going to a school with uniforms. I think that she is at an age now where she won’t care one way or another about wearing them.

How many of you had to wear a uniform to school? What did you think were the advantages and disadvantages?

I had to wear a uniform for one school year while I lived in Japan. It was my last year of high school. At first I thought that I would hate it, but I actually liked it. I didn’t have to decide what to wear everyday; I just woke up and put my uniform on. There were no boys at the school though, so I wasn’t trying to impress anyone and besides I still looked unique enough because I was one of the only Caucasian students. Maybe that influenced my perception somewhat.

My sister and I are just looking for things to make my niece willing to wear a uniform should she be hesitant. My sister hasn’t brought the subject up with her yet.

Jen


2005-12-13 12:33 PM
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I went to an all-girls high school and had to wear a uniform.  I thought it was great.  I never had to figure out what to wear (days that I didn't have to wear it were hard!) and I never had to worry about what I was wearing in comparison to everyone else.  I didn't have to impress anyone, but I think that was more of a function of going to an all-girls' school than the uniform.  The only major disadvantage I see is that it is hard to be unique.  I usually got around that with different shoes or jewelry or something like that.
2005-12-13 12:48 PM
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As a public school teacher I am for uniforms.  In the next town several of the schools require uniforms and have had great success.  I teach in a school of the have and have nots, if we could eliminate the Abercrombie and Hollister kids we could improve the self esteem of some of the have nots.  I do not think this will end the problem, but research shows it does help.  Next we need to come up with a way to improve teacher self-esteem from looking at the student parking lot.  Today I saw two hummers, an escalade, three or four beamers and several Mercedes.  The teacher lot has broke down cavaliers and 10 year old minivans. 

2005-12-13 1:01 PM
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2005-12-13 1:06 PM
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Subject: RE: School Uniforms
Artemis - 2005-12-13 12:33 PM

I went to an all-girls high school and had to wear a uniform.  I thought it was great.  I never had to figure out what to wear (days that I didn't have to wear it were hard!) and I never had to worry about what I was wearing in comparison to everyone else.  I didn't have to impress anyone, but I think that was more of a function of going to an all-girls' school than the uniform.  The only major disadvantage I see is that it is hard to be unique.  I usually got around that with different shoes or jewelry or something like that.


ditto. I continue to have a sock collection that would need 2 of Imelda Marcos' closets to get enough action. Socks and shoes were the only thing we could individualize. I dodn;t care at all, there are many days I wish I could wear a uni to work as an adult.
2005-12-13 1:07 PM
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I wore uniforms through middle school, and I have no memory of hating them or loving them. Looking back, there were enough things to worry about/ be insecure about in middle school -- it was nice that what I wore everyday wasn't actually one of those things.

Of course, now I have no idea how to dress myself, so, you know, there's that.



2005-12-13 1:13 PM
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I wore uniform when I was in school. Of course, there were times that I really envy kids in American who can wear "street clothes" to school. Especially during the winter time cus' the blazer we had to wear was fugly. However, I got used to uniforms because it solved the "what to wear" question every morning. Also, wearing uniforms meant kids couldn't show-off their wealth by wearing name-brand clothes. So instead, we focused on the shoes, bags, wallets, glasses, watches, socks etc. Picnic day and holiday party, the only 2 days that we could wear "street clothes" were major fashion show-down for us.

Edited: added socks to list.


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2005-12-13 1:37 PM
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Although the boys in my grade school (way back in the 50''s!!!) were expected to wear slacks, a shirt and shoes while the girls wore the uniform green or blue dress with the white blouse. 

I kind of like those little Japanese shool girl sailor uniforms.  I've trying to get my wife to dress up like that for years but she will have none of it! 

2005-12-13 2:16 PM
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I really resent school uniforms. I'm not anti dress code, I just feel that kids should be allowed to pick what they want to wear to school. And I would be really #&#&# pissed off if I had to wear a stupid skirt to school every day of the blooming year when it's effing freezing in Pittsburgh, and don't tell me "Wear tights", no, that doesn't cut it. I would be more concerned that some perv was looking up my skirt than what I'm studying. I wear jeans and a tshirt and I come to class and wipe my hands on my jeans and all is well.

and yeah, it may be easy and quick to pick out the same thing every morning, but what happens in the real world when you have to dress yourself every day? I needed to get up at 4:30 am every single day in high school, so I put my clothes out ahead of time and out the door I go. I think that we underestimate the decision making skills of kids, and don't give them enough credit for being able to make wise choices.

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2005-12-13 2:31 PM
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I wore a uniform for 12 years.  Hated it when I wore it (looked like a green garbage bag over a lighter green shirt!), then in HS we got plaid skirts.  they were better and we could roll them up and make them short   LOL.  But looking back, I think it was great.  I was one of the poor kids who couldn't get all the cool stuff/clothes and totally would have been made fun of had I gone to public school. 

And now, my legs just do not get cold.....all those years of waiting for the bus in a skirt/dress thing got me used to cold legs!   

2005-12-13 2:54 PM
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Machiavelo - 2005-12-13 1:37 PM 

I kind of like those little Japanese shool girl sailor uniforms.  I've trying to get my wife to dress up like that for years but she will have none of it! 

Hahahaha!



2005-12-13 3:11 PM
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I would have to argue that.  My sister and both of my parents are elementary teachers. 

And I think that, with the number of behavioral problems that exist in today's schools, uniforms certainly help.

I think that we underestimate the decision making skills of kids, and don't give them enough credit for being able to make wise choices.

2005-12-13 3:18 PM
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Uniforms and a school with corporal punishment (graduated in 1995 so not that long ago...) - no issues with either and agree with comments about haves and have nots. If the competition can be kept down to trainers (for gym) and cell phones then at least its affordable... would definitely consider it a factor in choosing for my own kids (then again if they finish up going to school here everyone has uniforms).
2005-12-13 3:51 PM
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3558 - 2005-12-13 4:11 PM

I would have to argue that. My sister and both of my parents are elementary teachers.

And I think that, with the number of behavioral problems that exist in today's schools, uniforms certainly help.

I think that we underestimate the decision making skills of kids, and don't give them enough credit for being able to make wise choices.



and the public schools here that did have uniforms had the same number of discipline problems if not more than schools where kids could dress as they please. Just because kids are dressed up and wearing a tie doesn't make them angels. I think that people tend to think of it as a miracle solution to all the discipline problems in education.
2005-12-13 4:17 PM
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went to a Catholic school ran by really mean Nuns (corporal punishment was a norm)... I wore school uniforms since I remember until I graduated HighSchool..   I hated it, but now that I think about it I think it makes sense.   It takes the pressure out of "dressing up".   I would definitly want to send my children to a school where Uniforms are required.... 

2005-12-13 4:46 PM
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and the public schools here that did have uniforms had the same number of discipline problems if not more than schools where kids could dress as they please. Just because kids are dressed up and wearing a tie doesn't make them angels. I think that people tend to think of it as a miracle solution to all the discipline problems in education.

It's not a miracle solution.  I'm not trying to say it eliminates "all the discipline problems."  There isn't any conclusive research showing that it will eliminate them.  But ask any public school teacher who has spent a day in the classroom.  They spend more time with the kids than their parents, and there is no question that they have a good idea of who cause problems, who doesn't, and what might help to eliminate those problems.

Consider things like students getting jumped on the playground and having their shoes stolen.  Or an 18 year old high school student wearing a skirt short enough to cause a sexual harassment lawsuit.  These kinds of things do happen.  Eliminating the source will eliminate the problem.  (not all of the problems, but some of them)

****Jen sorry for the partial hyjack (hyjack: I love Canada)****



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2005-12-13 5:10 PM
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velasqu7 - 2005-12-13 5:17 PM

went to a Catholic school ran by really mean Nuns (corporal punishment was a norm)... I wore school uniforms since I remember until I graduated HighSchool..   I hated it, but now that I think about it I think it makes sense.   It takes the pressure out of "dressing up".   I would definitly want to send my children to a school where Uniforms are required.... 



Mean nuns? How? Why? It confuses me. My DH is from Spain and also talks of mean nuns.
2005-12-13 5:23 PM
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That was a good hyjack 3558. I agree with you about the problem with some of the girls clothing. I have a few male friends who are teachers and they have told me that they would prefer uniforms on their students. Most of them are young, close to the age of some of their students and they tell me that they have a hard time not looking at some of the girls. I think that is the main reason why a lot of schools around her are implementing dress codes. Most have went with no low rider jeans and no midriff baring tops. I’ll see if I can find a link to an article.
2005-12-13 9:45 PM
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oh I had the mean nuns too.  the third grade teacher was the worst.  The ruler!  the ruler!1 ahhhh!!

I wore uniforms up till public school- tenth grade.  My kids wear them.  They're really strict at their school- down to the earrings and nail polish and hair color/style/length.  

I hate it NOW at work some folks (medical professionals, mind you) couldn't dress themselves properly, so administration took it upon themselves that we all now have uniforms- a certain color scrubs, approved polos with the logo and certain color chino pants.  No more skirts or dressing up or scrubs with cute designs on them.  Been that way for about five years now and we still hate it! 

of course, if you're a supervisor or administrator, which I ain't, you don't have to follow this rule...

2005-12-14 4:36 AM
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christine, I would LOVE that. I do wear a sweater about 2x a week with our logo on it and khakis, and my co workers call it my uniform... I just think at work, I want to be comfortable, I get messy sometimes (I am a clutz, books are dusty, I have to crawl around and fix computers etc) and the easy wash factor of my "uniform" makes it easy. plus it is clear to patrons who works there. work is not a fashion show (the gym is, lol) I understand some jobs require certain finer fancier dress, but not mine, and if I had 5 sweaters and 5 pairs of matching khakis, I'd absolutely wear em every day....
2005-12-14 4:55 AM
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3558 - 2005-12-13 5:46 PM

and the public schools here that did have uniforms had the same number of discipline problems if not more than schools where kids could dress as they please. Just because kids are dressed up and wearing a tie doesn't make them angels. I think that people tend to think of it as a miracle solution to all the discipline problems in education.

It's not a miracle solution. I'm not trying to say it eliminates "all the discipline problems." There isn't any conclusive research showing that it will eliminate them. But ask any public school teacher who has spent a day in the classroom. They spend more time with the kids than their parents, and there is no question that they have a good idea of who cause problems, who doesn't, and what might help to eliminate those problems.

Consider things like students getting jumped on the playground and having their shoes stolen. Or an 18 year old high school student wearing a skirt short enough to cause a sexual harassment lawsuit. These kinds of things do happen. Eliminating the source will eliminate the problem. (not all of the problems, but some of them)

****Jen sorry for the partial hyjack (hyjack: I love Canada)****




Does a public school graduate count? We had a dress CODE, not a uniform code. Skirts could be no more than x inches from the knee (i believe 2), no shorts till may (and then they must be 2 inches from the knee), no tank tops (in gym or otherwise), no middrift, no violent messages, no offensive messages, no drug/alcohol messages. Fair enough. Break the rules, go to detention or suspention, depending on your record. And they did check...a ruler when you came in the door and a female security guard.

And I don't think the source is a piece of clothing. They may be signifiers of larger conflicts (IE Poor student VS Rich student) but the bullying and class conflict will exist in or out of uniforms.


(and just for a hyjack...making girls wear skirts as their option is just a tad patriarchal and outdated...my .02).


2005-12-14 6:55 AM
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It's not so bad but when you consider it's a huge hospital (800 somethign beds), other depts wear the same colors.  Don't like being mistaken for another dept.  Of course, the ID badges are required to be on at all times.....

I don't mind it really, the only time is when I see a cute Christmas/Bucs/whatever scrub top and knowing I just can't wear it to work.  So accessories are key now!

The polos are expensive- 30 bucks a pop. 

2005-12-14 7:13 AM
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phoenixazul - 2005-12-14 5:55 AM ... (and just for a hyjack...making girls wear skirts as their option is just a tad patriarchal and outdated...my .02).

I'm pro-uniform, but I'm with you on the skirt thing. Here, at least at the Catholic schools I'm aware of, girls have the option of either wearing the plaid skirt, or the gray pants/shorts like the boys wear.

I would like my work uniform to be blue jeans and a logo polo shirt/sweater. I like possum's "uniform". If my slim-down plan works, I'll be needing new pants in the new year. I just may have to put together some "uniforms". If I could only find non-jeans that feel like jeans.

2005-12-14 7:36 AM
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I went to a Catholic school and believe that uniforms are a good thing. The part that was bad was wearing ties in Florida (it can get a little hot here). It also reinforces good dressing habits so you don't appear slovenly. We got a PH (Penance Hall, detention) if we had forgotten a belt or tie or your shirt was untucked or unbuttoned, or if you didn't shave that morning. To this day if I feel my shirt become untucked I instantly reach behind me to tuck it in. Talk about muscle memory.
2005-12-14 9:21 AM
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No uniforms.  I went both routes growing up and overwhelmingly preferred the right to choose what I wore.  Someone mentioned trying to measure up to the other kids and my solution was simple:  I didn't.  I know parents are concerned about their kids and the groups they fit with but I never fit into a group in school.  I managed to mingle with all of them, but was accepted by none (which could be a good or bad thing).  I also wore mismatched clothes (camo and tropical prints!) and never felt weird about it.

My wife is a teacher and talks about all the kids at her school and how they always have designer clothes and lots of "bling".  But she also mentions them not having lunch money and being otherwise broke as a result.

Anyway, I don't think uniforms for students has ever worked on it's own.  If it has worked it's been coupled with rules backing it up and consequences for transgressions.  It helps when the parents are teaching their kids values instead of expecting the school to do it for them (sorry, husband of a teacher rant there). 

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