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2006-03-14 7:28 AM

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COURT JESTER
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Subject: For the Parents: How old were your kids when they started talking?

Okay, this is a serious question so please keep the sass to a minimum please (and this is part rant on my part).

Our son is 14 month old and isn't talking yet.  No MaMa.  No DaDa.  He know's who we are when we say, "Where's MaMa?" he looks at my wife.  However, everything is a 'point and "Doh."'  My wife works with kids and has a lot of knowledge and I respect that knowledge.  She says he is delayed 5 month is his speech and at 14 month should have about 6 words in his vocabulary (according to studies).

My mom tells here I was about 2 when I first said MaMa and even though I didn't talk for a long time, when I did it was nearly immediate 2 and 3 word sentences.

My wife wants to start our son in speech therapy now.  Last night I stated my opinion (since I was never asked and felt very left out in this decision making.....mini rant) and ticked her off that I wanted to wait till at least 18 month before doing speech therapy.  Reason is that at 15 month he goes to the next class at daycare where there's more kids talking (and walking) and more interaction with the daycare people via crafts and such.

SO, after ALL that, for the parents........When did your kids start talking???  Early, Late, Did they go through speech therapy??

If you work in the medical field, please give your parental thoughts and not medical thoughts...I get plenty of those at home.

Thank you all and have a Blessed day.

Ty



2006-03-14 7:41 AM
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In all seriousness, those without kids cannot possibly understand how stressful this can be.  My daughter, just turned 4, had similar problems.  She's in speech therapy now and they are saying she is just about ready to move on. 

At the early stage you are at, I think the hardest part is that you don't know yet for sure if it's speech, hearing, or learning issues, right?  I learned, through my daughter's experience how closely related speech development is to cognitive function. 

My wife is much more knowledgeable in this area and after she gets the kids going this morning I'll call her and ask if she'll log on from home and either PM you or post her thoughts on the situation.  She's the one who takes Julia to speech twice a week and talks to the teachers there and the other parents so she can probably provide you with much better advice than I can.



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2006-03-14 7:42 AM
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2006-03-14 7:43 AM
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Subject: RE: For the Parents: How old were your kids when they started talking?
Speech problems are an early indicator for autism as well. But the fact that the little one will visually cue on things is a good sign that it is probably not the case.

Both our boys started fairly early, I'd say around a year or less.
2006-03-14 7:43 AM
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My son was a late bloomer when it came to talking. He called me "ahdee" instead of mama for several months. He's 18 now, so remembering the exact month is tough...

I would guess he was 12 months when he started clearly using sounds to describe things, but he didn't really start talking till he was past two. He would practice nonsense sounds in his room, but as soon as he was aware we were listening, he would stop talking.  My son talked at home for 6 months before he would speak at the day care. He was clearly hearing us and responded to our directions and comments, but just didn't have anything to say.

Turned out he suffered from many repeated ear infections and was probably not hearing very clearly. Caused him to mispronounce a lot of words for a long time. We never put him in speech therapy. Just gently corrected mispronunciations.

You might want to have your doctor check him over for hearing problems. hearing is a key part of talking. If he's not hearing correctly, he won't talk correctly.

A good day care will work with your son and make sure the other kids don't harass him.There's lots of kids with a wide range of skills. At that age, they aren't really interacting with each other yet anyway.

My son is now 18, a sophomore and NC State and one of the smartest people I know. He still doesn't talk much. He's an Eagle Scout, an absolute stud in math and chemistry, and an all around great kid. Not talking when he was little has not affected him negatively.

2006-03-14 7:44 AM
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I'm sure that your son is fine. Most books look at 2 years for speech. To squish him into the standard is stiffle his individuality. I didn't speech much till I was 4 or 5. I had three sisters and didn't need to speak. He may be busy developing other talents.


2006-03-14 7:46 AM
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2006-03-14 7:50 AM
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Subject: RE: For the Parents: How old were your kids when they started talking?
Ty,

This is so hard since I'm not an expert, but I can just tell you some anecdotal stories about my kids and others I know. My oldest talked very early - started aorund 9 months and didn't stop. By one she was putting two words together and doning lots of baby signs. Baby number two seemed more "by the book" - had a few words at one, started putting two words together probably around 18 months (I'm already starting to forget.) My youngest turns one Thursday and he just said his first word last week. He is much slower on lots of things though - he hasn't quite caught on to the baby signs at all.

My best friend's daughter barely talked at all until she turned two. She said dada and that was it. She woudl use different inflections for different things she wanted - but no matted what she said it was just different tones of the word dada. She's now five and talks as much as any other five year old girl you know.

My mom has a similar story to your mom - she said my oldest brother didn't talk until he was almost two, but when he did he went right to sentences. Supposedly one of the first things out of his mouth on a car trip one day was - "That's a god d-mn big hole!"

I don't know what you can say to your wife, personally I don't think I would be concerned at such a young age. Also, since he's moving to the new class so soon maybe you can compromise with your wife and wait a few months? Have you talked to your periatrician yet?

I know this is a big concern for parents - we are trying to figure out if my three year old needs speech therapy or not right now. She talks a mile a minute, but she has a hard time on beginning sounds of words. She puts a "d" or "t" sound in front of tons of her words - like "dat" for "cat", "ticker" for "sticker." When I try to work with her on a word she gets better, but she can't get that T sound out. She can say, "fr, fr, fr", but when she says "frog" it still comes out as , "ftog." She has gotten a lot better from age two to three so I wanted to give her some more time to work it out, but my mother in law is freaking out and wants me to take her to a speech therapist right away. I think I'll take her if it doesn't get better by 3 1/2.

Good luck!
Amy
2006-03-14 7:53 AM
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Subject: RE: For the Parents: How old were your kids when they started talking?

Thank you for the quick responses.

Forgot to add this so here goes. He are constantly talking to him so he repeating things like MaMa, DaDa, Ba (for bottle) and even backing things up with sign language (talking hands dvd at work there) so perhaps he can learn to communicate while a vocabulary is developing. Just seems to be stubborn about it.

Autism and other mental disorders are not an issue.

As for the question about having access to the input on pediatric collegues...oh yeah...more than you know.

Comment made last night was something like, 'Studies show the kids who start speech therapy after 18 month old have a harder time picking it up.'

I didn't want to escalate thing by asking, who's study?, How many kids did they study? and things like that.

2006-03-14 7:54 AM
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Subject: RE: For the Parents: How old were your kids when they started talking?
have you tried teaching him any sign language?  It's kinda the new thing lately, bc kids are able to move their hands a lot earlier than form words.  Words like please, thank you, more, eat, sleep, mom, truck, ball, etc. My friend started her baby on sign language at 10 months!  Some kids are late(r) bloomers, on the other hand, if there is a problem, the sooner you intervene the better... that's helpful, NOT.  I say get some tests, and see if they can find a specific problem to address rather than just "get therapy"
2006-03-14 7:55 AM
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dexter - 2006-03-14 6:44 AM I'm sure that your son is fine. Most books look at 2 years for speech. To squish him into the standard is stiffle his individuality. I didn't speech much till I was 4 or 5. I had three sisters and didn't need to speak. He may be busy developing other talents.

That deserves and AMEN!!!!!   



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2006-03-14 8:07 AM
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I am by no means an expert on this, but wanted to let you know your beautiful child is not the only one not speaking when some people think they should.  Our Godchild is almost 22 months old and has not said a word.  He'll screech and make babbling sounds, but not a Mama or Dada to be heard.  I think part of it is his older brother does most of the talking for everybody!  Don't worry, T.U.P.  I think he'll be fine.
2006-03-14 8:18 AM
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Subject: RE: For the Parents: How old were your kids when they started talking?

I have heard that speech development is gender related.  I have three daughters so my info may not be applicable to your son.  My daughters started speaking at 8, 14 and 12 months.   Then youngest is studying language acquisition right now.

 

There is a range of development rates.  Kids don't come with instruction manuals.  You have to make it up as you go along.  Try to stay in the middle the road as far as parenting skills.  Don't overdo anything but go along if your kid wants to overdo something himself.  Kids are the greatest form of entertainment in the world.  Enjoy watching them learn.

 

TW

2006-03-14 8:30 AM
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Subject: RE: For the Parents: How old were your kids when they started talking?
If not speaking is the ONLY observation, he is probably OK. If not speaking is combined with some other observations that suggest slowed development, then be a little more concerned.

First: Be grateful, 'cause the sooner he starts speaking, the sooner you'll realize how opinionated he can be. That is the beginning of your decline from Superhero to bellybutton lint.

Second: Reward the behaviors you want repeated. You can condition him to "ask" for things verbally or non-verbally. If you know that he makes certain motions or contortions when he wants something (a blanket, toy, bottle), then he doesn't need to be "bothered" with the whole speech/vocalization thing. (This is predicated on the desired skill being within his capability.)

Finally: Enjoy every moment of the development process. We often get so busy wishing or expecting for the next step that we rarely appreciate what he is doing right now. Savor the moments!
2006-03-14 8:34 AM
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I'm female and when I was a baby I know that I started speaking "late". I was a very visually-oriented baby and just didn't feel the need to speak.
I'm not a parent but I studied this subject a bit in college. Babies/children all develop at different paces so as long as there is no hearing issue in this case and no indication of autism or any other issues, it is probably nothing to be concerned about. Expose your son to language all the time and when he feels the need to talk, he will. As far as the whole day care thing, that could possibly help him learn to speak as he will be exposed to others his age that are speaking and he may want to copy them.


2006-03-14 8:34 AM
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Hey, Ty.

Sorry to hear you are stressed out about your son and your wife's plans for his therapy. As you know, I'm not a mom but I'm going to offer my perspective ANYWAY.

Children move at their own pace. Your son is not being stubborn, he's moving at his own pace. When he's ready to start talking, he'll start talking. Why make it a performance issue? Can't it be an individuality issue? Why must he be like all the other kids ALREADY? Rhetorical questions for you to ponder as you evaluate what the best course of action is for you and your son.

I have two anecdotes to share with you. This weekend, I watched a mother trying to force her baby to swim. That baby was around 18mos old, I'm guessing. The child was crying and crying. The mother was doing a good job of terrifying her daughter. I'm sure that the next time that baby sees her mommy pull out her bikini, she's going to start wailing out of fear and dread and her mom's going to wonder why her daughter is wailing for no good reason.

Incidental to this stupid swim lesson, I said to the guy in the next lane (he saw me glaring at the mother across the pool), "That woman is teaching that baby nothing except to be terrified of the water." I told him that I used to teach 3-5 yr olds how to swim and it was so easy; this mother was making it hard on that baby. He said "Well, what do you do when the baby will swim one day and the next won't do it at all? And you know she can swim, she just won't." (WHY ARE WE MAKING BABIES PERFORM?!) I looked at him - he's obviously fit, he's swimming, he must understand the fitness cycle. I said "Do you ever have off days?" He said "Oh. Same for them, huh?" Why are we forcing babies to perform...? I digress again.

The other anecdote involves my nephew. He wouldn't speak when his grandfather was around. His grandfather asked to spend an afternoon with the boy - and took him to a specialist where he told the doctor he thought the boy was retarded or autistic. The boy wasn't going to perform for the grandfather and the grandfather's only conclusion was that there was something wrong with the boy. It never occurred to him that the boy was intuitive and didn't like his grandfather's mojo and just clammed up when he was around. I'm not saying this is what is happening with your son; just illustrating how erroneous conclusions can be drawn by supposedly intelligent adults.

I lied - here's a third anecdote. My oldest sister, the natural athlete, learned to run when she was 9mos old. Imagine the pressure from the parents that her siblings experienced when they (we) were just walking at 12mos. Everyone develops at their own pace.

Does your son seem to understand you? Does he seem to understand what you are communicating? Does he communicate nonverbally? If yes, relax. Let the boy be. Let him progress at his own speed. Don't put the child into performance mode already. Sorry to get preachy (here it comes) but your job is to give him love, a safe environment, and shelter - and let him be. Sounds like there's alot of pressure on the baby and alot of pressure on the parents. No question, you and your wife want what is best for your son. You want to give him every advantage in life. Maybe what is best, at this point, is to let him be? As long as he is communicating nonverbally...

Whatever you do, I'm sure it will be the right thing for your son. Have confidence in yourself and your wife.

2006-03-14 9:08 AM
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dexter - 2006-03-14 8:44 AM I'm sure that your son is fine. Most books look at 2 years for speech. To squish him into the standard is stiffle his individuality. I didn't speech much till I was 4 or 5. I had three sisters and didn't need to speak. He may be busy developing other talents.

to quote a neighbors pediatrician when the parents expressed concern that their 18 month old daughter wasn't talking much:

"Of course she doesn't. You two don't shut up long enough to give her a chance." 

We did the sign language thing too, oldest started using signs at 10 months and the younger one at about 1 year.  I have no idea if it helped developmentally but that wasn't the point. We wanted to give them some means of communicating basic things like 'more', 'cookie', 'eat' , 'diaper', 'binky' etc just to try to keep the screaming to a minimum.

People think they know what their baby wants, but once they got going with a decent repetoire of signs we found out we were wrong pretty frequently.

2006-03-14 9:42 AM
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Subject: RE: For the Parents: How old were your kids when they started talking?

  My son didn't really start talking till he was about two. He had some words starting at about 1 year to 18 months...Dada..mama...bubba...ca (car)...and he could make the car/truck motor noise really well.

Mostly he made noises and grunted and pointed to get his point across.   We could tell he understood what we said to him and he managed to make his needs understood.

Even with all that though, the pediatrician was worried because he didn't have the amount of words he should have at the milestone months and suggested speech therapy.

My mother (who raised 10 kids) said she thought he just wasn't ready to talk yet and that when he did he would probably be really good at it.

At around 2 years (or a little after) the words started coming out like a fountain. It was really amazing. It was almost like he needed to absorb and learn in his own mind before would use his words. (if that makes any sense).

He is now in 8th grade and on the honor roll.

My daughter started talking at the "right" time...no problems.

This is my experience. I hope it helps.

Good luck!

2006-03-14 9:53 AM
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My grandson was 3 years old and had a vocabulary of about 6 words.  He'll be 4 in July and he's lots better (no speach therapy) but I still think he's pretty far behind what's considered average.  I think it's way too early at 14 months to think about speach therapy...give it at least another year.

 

2006-03-14 10:25 AM
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Both my kids speech was delayed (they are 6 and 8 now).  The pediatrician recognized that their speech was delayed and made a recommendation we get our kids into a program sponsored by the state for speech therapy.  A speech therapist would come to our house once a week for an hour and work with our kids.  The program was totally free to us.  So check with your state, thay might offer something.

Chris



2006-03-14 11:26 AM
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My son was a late talker. He didn't talk until he was 3 1/2. I recommend reading the following:

http://www.latetalking.org/

Also, check out Thomas Sowell's book, "The Einstein Syndrome: Bright Children Who Talk Late"


Of course, I recommend not to get this confused with autism and PDD-NOS. But, it's good to be well-rounded in looking into the topic and try to remain objective. The first thing that school officials would say to us is that our son is probably autistic. Of course, there are lots of autistic kids. But that label comes with funding.

Fortunately, everything turned out just fine. My son is almost 7 and is catching up on his language and speech articulation. However, he is well advanced in his logical reasoning and is a prolific reader. He is well adjusted and has lots of friends.

Steve
2006-03-14 12:47 PM
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loooong post from mama autumn. i have a lot to say on this subject as a mama. plus, i worked with deaf adults for many years, some of whom didn't have much access to language until they were 4 or 5, and went on to get masters degrees. so, even if your son has a delay of some sort (which i doubt), he's going to be just fine. and really, at 14 months, i would try not to worry. the fact that you are worried shows that you are a loving and concerned parent, which gives him a huge head start in life already. all kids develop so differently, and boys often develop other skills (like spatial reasoning) before their verbal abilities come through. kids also tend to understand a TON of language, before they are able to articulate it themselves. if he can respond to what YOU are saying, i wouldn't worry about a delay at this point.

ella started signing first, so she was signing things like 'mama, milk MORE' before she was saying much. she started talking fairly early and was speaking in fairly clear sentences, knew her alphabet, etc. by the time she was abut 20 months old. the first link is to her 18 month 'interview', the second to her 21 month 'interview'. with ella, we worried about her development and probably pushed more stuctured learning on her to get a result (notice the look she gives me when i ask for yet ANOTHER sign. lighten up, mama! ). still, she's naturally a VERY verbal kid - is already reading at 4 1/2 and this weekend started doing word jumbles. I CAN'T DO WORD JUMBLES!

ella @ 18 months: http://www.fidean.net/flix/ellas_interview.mov
ella @ 21 months: http://www.fidean.net/flix/ABCs.mov
ella @ 29 months: http://www.fidean.net/flix/ella29.mov

now, fiona @ 20 months wasn't talking anywhere near as much as ella was. at 30 months, she is JUST starting to learn her ABCs, can sing a few songs, knows her numbers, etc. she's been busy working on other things - she has always been MUCH more physical and active than ella ever was. she was riding a trike earlier and doing things at the playground that ella is still nervous to do. she likes reading books, but will want to get up after 1 or 2, where as ella wanted book after book after book. also, she's our 2nd child...and the first born will often speak earlier compared to the second, for many reasons. parents understand and are more comfortable with non-verbal cues with the second because they are used to it, and often the older sibling will also be abe to understand them w/o the need for complete words or sentences. we have videos of fiona, but don't have any 'interviews' like the ones we did with ella (one of the many things you may do with the first, but don't have as much time for once you have two to chase around!). i did put up a few unedited ones for you to look at (partly to show off my cute kids, but also to give a benchmark of two kids who each have developed differently). the first one is of fiona at 16 months calling to her sister upstairs. you can hear 'ella', but that's about it. she says 'hi' at one point, but she isn't saying hello, she's mimicing the cat's meow. in the second one, she's about 18 months and is 'signing' with my friend jerri. again, she isn't saying anything understandable in ASL, but she is showing a lot of understanding about how to interact with language. in the last one, she's about 26 months old and is 'reading' about birds. you can understand that she is saying 'birds', but the rest doesn't make much sense. still, she is perfectly mimicing the way adults tend to read to her - affect, intonation, pacing, etc. lots going on even though the words aren't there. btw, ella never did this type of mimicing to the degree that fiona does. she had a bigger vocabulary, but was less expressive. again, different types of learning going on!

fiona @ 16 months: http://www.fidean.net/flix/MVI_2408.AVI
fiona @ 18 months: http://www.fidean.net/flix/MVI_2871.AVI
fiona @ 26 months: http://www.fidean.net/flix/MVI_4824.AVI

anyway, my girls are are both very smart and able, they are just developing at their own pace and in their own way. your son is still very young and is learning so much about the world around him. he IS learning language, even if he isn't saying clear words yet. give him a little time. if you are really worried, talk to your pediatrician.

a little side note - we are also really focused on academics in our culture. when of the best things for me as a mom was to consider homeschooling. ella ended up going to public school anyway (to an AWESOME montessori public school), but we did do homeschooling through pre-school. the pre-school and kindergarten curriculums both say 'let them play, dance, paint, draw, listen to stories, run' and most of all, RELAX, PARENTS! there are some recent studies that show pushing kids to read too early, and do academics too early, can impede future intellectual development. they need time to just be kids. they do very important work when they are young - learning about our faces, learning about their environment, imagination, etc. expecting them to perform other tasks when they are working so hard on other areas of development can hold them back in the long run.

btw, mom's LOVE to revise history when it comes to their kids. i felt MAJOR pressure to get ella ready by the time she was 3 years old, because my mom had told me my older brother was reading 'by the time he was 3' and my mother in law told me the same thing about my husband. do you know how RARE it is for kids to be reading that early? my brother and husband are both VERY smart guys, but my guess is that they were both reading WHEN they were 3, bot before then...and probably closer to age 4.

sorry for such a loooong response. i just think its not as black and white as some parenting books make it out to be.
2006-03-14 12:58 PM
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Subject: RE: For the Parents: How old were your kids when they started talking?

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR STORIES OF YOUR KIDS........

CAME UP WITH A SOLUTION:   Asked the wife to make him an appointment to get evaluated then let those with the most experience on speech tell us if he needs therapy.  Plus, make sure that if they say therapy is not needed, my wife goes with that decision.   This way, she gets what she wants in at least finding out now with the chance to get what I want in that he may not need it (for now).

After mentioning that to my wife, she said she'll hold off till his 15 month checkup in 5 weeks.

Fair enough for me.

Again, THANK YOU all for your stories.

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I think you should post the latest pic of the little guy (Christian, right?), Ty. Be the proud daddy that you are!
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