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 2012-04-10 2:05 PM |
Regular  1893     Las Vegas, NV |  Subject: So when do you stop being a newbie?I did the same sprint triathlon (Irongirl) in 2010 and 2011 without a minute of training (I was a big time gym rat, going to 2-5 group classes per day, averaging 20-23 hours per week at the gym). At the beginning of the year I dropped the gym classes and started training. Now I'm training full steam. I also go to a ton of tri workshops and clinics, as many a I can, and clinics about bike maintenance and handling, mini tris, etc. I watched Youtube videos of transitions and swimming. Read books on race nutrition. Learned about cranks and cassettes and crank arm length. So when do you stop calling yourself a newbie? Because I still feel like one lol And there is SO much to learn in this sport and ways to improve that I have a feeling I'll be calling myself a newbie three years down the road. And I don't consider myself a triathlete, I consider myself someone who trains for triathlons. I guess once I do Kona in sub-12 I'll call myself a triathlete. Maybe. Kona IS a goal a few years from now. First Oly, then Half, then IMTX 13, then a few years of steady improvement and sooner or later I think ANYone can KQ if they put in enough work. So any other newbies out there? |
| 2012-04-10 2:15 PM in reply to: #4141374 |
Pro 5169 Burbs | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? GatorDeb - 2012-04-10 3:05 PM I did the same sprint triathlon (Irongirl) in 2010 and 2011 without a minute of training (I was a big time gym rat, going to 2-5 group classes per day, averaging 20-23 hours per week at the gym). At the beginning of the year I dropped the gym classes and started training. Now I'm training full steam. I also go to a ton of tri workshops and clinics, as many a I can, and clinics about bike maintenance and handling, mini tris, etc. I watched Youtube videos of transitions and swimming. Read books on race nutrition. Learned about cranks and cassettes and crank arm length. So when do you stop calling yourself a newbie? Because I still feel like one lol And there is SO much to learn in this sport and ways to improve that I have a feeling I'll be calling myself a newbie three years down the road. And I don't consider myself a triathlete, I consider myself someone who trains for triathlons. I guess once I do Kona in sub-12 I'll call myself a triathlete. Maybe. Kona IS a goal a few years from now. First Oly, then Half, then IMTX 13, then a few years of steady improvement and sooner or later I think ANYone can KQ if they put in enough work. So any other newbies out there? Really? |
| 2012-04-10 2:16 PM in reply to: #4141374 |
Regular 1893 Las Vegas, NV | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? Yep. Put in a couple of years of 20 hour weeks and I think it's reasonable to qualify for Kona in your age group. I'm not saying it WILL happen, I'm saying it's reasonable to expect it. Edited by GatorDeb 2012-04-10 2:18 PM |
| 2012-04-10 2:18 PM in reply to: #4141396 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? Wait........I gotta get some popcorn.  |
| 2012-04-10 2:19 PM in reply to: #4141374 |
Regular 1893 Las Vegas, NV | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? I'll stop you right there. Thanks for skipping the rest of the post. I'm not about to start a debate about qualifying for Kona. I don't need people to agree with me. If the post does not address the topic of this thread, consider it will go unanswered if the spirit of the post is to bait other people into pointless discussion. |
| 2012-04-10 2:20 PM in reply to: #4141374 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? I think you stop being a newbie when you develop enough impulse control to not post threads asking when you stop being a newbie. |
| 2012-04-10 2:21 PM in reply to: #4141374 |
Expert 962 | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? Its good to have goals. My goal is to say nothing further. |
| 2012-04-10 2:21 PM in reply to: #4141374 |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? Newbie, or not, is irrelevant. Start placing top 3 OA in your competitive local races and top 3 AG in large regional races, then you're fast. If you're not fast, you're slow.
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| 2012-04-10 2:22 PM in reply to: #4141417 |
| Veteran 200 Summerfield, NC | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? bryancd - 2012-04-10 2:20 PM I think you stop being a newbie when you develop enough impulse control to not post threads asking when you stop being a newbie. x2 |
| 2012-04-10 2:22 PM in reply to: #4141412 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? GatorDeb - 2012-04-10 1:19 PM I'll stop you right there. Thanks for skipping the rest of the post. I'm not about to start a debate about qualifying for Kona. I don't need people to agree with me. If the post does not address the topic of this thread, consider it will go unanswered if the spirit of the post is to bait other people into pointless discussion. Then don't put that in your comment. It's an internet DISCUSSION forum, just because you start a thread doesn't mean you get control over it's content or direction the conversation takes. |
| 2012-04-10 2:26 PM in reply to: #4141423 |
Pro 6191 | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? bryancd - 2012-04-10 3:22 PM GatorDeb - 2012-04-10 1:19 PM I'll stop you right there. Thanks for skipping the rest of the post. I'm not about to start a debate about qualifying for Kona. I don't need people to agree with me. If the post does not address the topic of this thread, consider it will go unanswered if the spirit of the post is to bait other people into pointless discussion. Then don't put that in your comment. It's an internet DISCUSSION forum, just because you start a thread doesn't mean you get control over it's content or direction the conversation takes.What Bryan said... Also, isn't the bolded statement a large portion of what goes on in BT and the rest of the internet anyway? |
| 2012-04-10 2:28 PM in reply to: #4141436 |
Regular 1893 Las Vegas, NV | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? ratherbeswimming - 2012-04-10 12:26 PM bryancd - 2012-04-10 3:22 PM GatorDeb - 2012-04-10 1:19 PM I'll stop you right there. Thanks for skipping the rest of the post. I'm not about to start a debate about qualifying for Kona. I don't need people to agree with me. If the post does not address the topic of this thread, consider it will go unanswered if the spirit of the post is to bait other people into pointless discussion. Then don't put that in your comment. It's an internet DISCUSSION forum, just because you start a thread doesn't mean you get control over it's content or direction the conversation takes.What Bryan said... Also, isn't the bolded statement a large portion of what goes on in BT and the rest of the internet anyway? Doesn't mean I have to participate in it |
| 2012-04-10 2:29 PM in reply to: #4141374 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? Deb - my prediction is that by the time this thread is done....you won't be a newbie anymore. |
| 2012-04-10 2:33 PM in reply to: #4141374 |
Veteran 232 Charlotte Gold member | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? I'd say you're no longer a newbie when you (mostly) stop asking questions that sound ridiculous to (mostly) everyone else. |
| 2012-04-10 2:33 PM in reply to: #4141396 |
Expert 932 Chandler, AZ | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? GatorDeb - 2012-04-10 12:16 PM Yep. Put in a couple of years of 20 hour weeks and I think it's reasonable to qualify for Kona in your age group. I'm not saying it WILL happen, I'm saying it's reasonable to expect it.
I, too, think that anyone can KQ if they're willing to do what it takes...We're all human, and while genetics may play a role in our physical capabilities, I believe it is a small role. Why wouldn't someone who put in the type of effort it takes to push yourself that hard for that distance not be able to reach that goal? I personally do not think that I'll ever want to put in that type effort, but then again there was also a time that I never thought I'd put in the type of effort to do an IM either, so I guess you never know...
As far as being a newbie, I think that I'll always feel like one...No matter what I learn or what I experience there will always be more to figure out, more advice to take, and more races to learn from. Besides, no matter how long I do this, I'll always be a newb compared to someone out there... |
| 2012-04-10 2:37 PM in reply to: #4141374 |
| Expert 878 | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? How to not be a newbie, 1, Throw out the plan. 2, Sign up for an Iron Man. 3, Train for the Iron Man. During this time you are a newbie and not a triathlete. 4, Compete in the Iron Man. - If you finish on the podium, your an Iron Man and a Triathlete, sign up for Kona. - If you finish under the cutoff, your an Iron Man and a Triathlete. - If you don't finish under the cutoff, go home defeated, and either start over with step 2, or find a new sport. Either way you will no longer be a newbie.
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| 2012-04-10 2:42 PM in reply to: #4141477 |
| Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? 2453V - 2012-04-10 12:37 PM How to not be a newbie, 1, Throw out the plan. 2, Sign up for an Iron Man. 3, Train for the Iron Man. During this time you are a newbie and not a triathlete. 4, Compete in the Iron Man. - If you finish on the podium, your an Iron Man and a Triathlete, sign up for Kona. - If you finish under the cutoff, your an Iron Man and a Triathlete. - If you don't finish under the cutoff, go home defeated, and either start over with step 2, or find a new sport. Either way you will no longer be a newbie.
Just looking for some clarification. Are you saying you must do an Ironman length event to be no longer considered a newbie? |
| 2012-04-10 2:43 PM in reply to: #4141461 |
Master 2264 Sunbury, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? JasenGuy - 2012-04-10 3:33 PM I, too, think that anyone can KQ if they're willing to do what it takes...We're all human, and while genetics may play a role in our physical capabilities, I believe it is a small role. Why wouldn't someone who put in the type of effort it takes to push yourself that hard for that distance not be able to reach that goal? I personally do not think that I'll ever want to put in that type effort, but then again there was also a time that I never thought I'd put in the type of effort to do an IM either, so I guess you never know... Well, I'll play this thought experiment. If BQing is an objective type of qualifying, theoretically, BQing is not subject to how many other people do it. (As we've seen, it may not mean actually getting to run Boston, but it's still a BQ.) KQ is not meeting a time, but a placement. Even if you train 40 hours and make a time that would have been 1st last year, maybe 5 other people in your AG trained just as hard this time and took the spots. |
| 2012-04-10 2:43 PM in reply to: #4141374 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? No matter where this thread goes.....I'm not giving up my bucket!! |
| 2012-04-10 2:43 PM in reply to: #4141461 |
Expert 962 | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? JasenGuy - 2012-04-10 2:33 PM GatorDeb - 2012-04-10 12:16 PM Yep. Put in a couple of years of 20 hour weeks and I think it's reasonable to qualify for Kona in your age group. I'm not saying it WILL happen, I'm saying it's reasonable to expect it.
I, too, think that anyone can KQ if they're willing to do what it takes...We're all human, and while genetics may play a role in our physical capabilities, I believe it is a small role. Why wouldn't someone who put in the type of effort it takes to push yourself that hard for that distance not be able to reach that goal? I personally do not think that I'll ever want to put in that type effort, but then again there was also a time that I never thought I'd put in the type of effort to do an IM either, so I guess you never know...
As far as being a newbie, I think that I'll always feel like one...No matter what I learn or what I experience there will always be more to figure out, more advice to take, and more races to learn from. Besides, no matter how long I do this, I'll always be a newb compared to someone out there... Don't forget the thousands of dollars it would take as well. Entry fees, coaching, bikes, gear, travel, lodging at all the races, etc. etc. I think I'll ride as a stowaway in some rich ladies pet carrier out to hawaii, sleep on the beach, and bandit the race in Kona. Hows that for a guy willing to do anything. Damn and now I just messed up my earlier goal. |
| 2012-04-10 2:44 PM in reply to: #4141374 |
| Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? I think if this thread works hard enough, it can be the best BT thread ever. do NOT let me down... |
| 2012-04-10 2:44 PM in reply to: #4141374 |
Elite 3498 Laguna Beach | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? "So when do you stop calling yourself a newbie?" Never. Because, at which time I deem myself an authority, an expert, a been-there, done-that then it becomes difficult to continue learning. Additionally, this sport is ever changing. Evolving. I did my first race in 1983. I learn new things about this sport every day and, perhaps more importantly, unlearn some old things I thought I was right about for a long time. There is a great book called "Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind" that talks about this concept. It's worth a look. Key quote: "In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few." |
| 2012-04-10 2:48 PM in reply to: #4141504 |
| Coastal Carolina | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? Tom Demerly. - 2012-04-10 3:44 PM "So when do you stop calling yourself a newbie?" Never.
x2 Stop Learning, Start Dying. There is always something new to learn. |
| 2012-04-10 2:50 PM in reply to: #4141492 |
Master 1793 Essex Jct, VT | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? bzgl40 - 2012-04-10 3:42 PM 2453V - 2012-04-10 12:37 PM How to not be a newbie, 1, Throw out the plan. 2, Sign up for an Iron Man. 3, Train for the Iron Man. During this time you are a newbie and not a triathlete. 4, Compete in the Iron Man. - If you finish on the podium, your an Iron Man and a Triathlete, sign up for Kona. - If you finish under the cutoff, your an Iron Man and a Triathlete. - If you don't finish under the cutoff, go home defeated, and either start over with step 2, or find a new sport. Either way you will no longer be a newbie.
Just looking for some clarification. Are you saying you must do an Ironman length event to be no longer considered a newbie? Or a triathlete apparently. |
| 2012-04-10 2:51 PM in reply to: #4141374 |
Master 2855 Kailua, Hawaii | Subject: RE: So when do you stop being a newbie? does it matter what "label" we put on ourselves ? nope. you can call yourself whatever you want....but it doesn't make any difference in your performance. |
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