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I think that it was an awesome speech that he gave to a group of extremely privileged high school graduates.  He then told them that they needed to go out there and become special by earning it through selflessness.

Good job, teach!

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57450176/teacher-defends-youre-not-special-speech/



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I was just coming here to post this.  Awesome speech.  Glad finally someone is telling these kids the truth.  Now we just need the adults to get the same message.
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TriRSquared - 2012-06-12 8:44 AM I was just coming here to post this.  Awesome speech.  Glad finally someone is telling these kids the truth.  Now we just need the adults to get the same message.

That was my comment when I saw this posted somewhere else yesterday...I know plenty of "adults" that don't get it.  I mean, these kids get the idea from somewhere.

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And supposedly all of the parents and almost all of the students liked the message.

Go figure.

 

2012-06-12 9:11 AM
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The whole speech is great. Its over on Youtube if you want to see it. Didn't realize he was the son of David McCullough, the historian. The town where he teaches is one of the wealthiest is MA, fyi.

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If you'd like the full text of the speech, you can find it here...

http://www.wickedlocal.com/wellesley/news/x465788965/Wellesley-High-commencement-speaker-Do-not-get-the-idea-you-re-anything-special?zc_p=0#axzz1xaUyJPGM

My favorite excerpt,"I also hope you've learned enough to recognize how little you know...how little you know now...".  So true.



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It’s a great speech. It’s the new “Wear Sunscreen”.

I think that focusing on the “you’re not special” message really misses the point of the speech though. It’s not really his main thesis and I think everyone has seized upon it as if “he really told those entitled little snots what’s what”, when in fact, the speech in its entirety was far from an indictment of entitlement and selfishness. It’s true that he says “you’re not special”, but, more exactly, his point which he makes later is, “You are special, but so is everyone else.”

The speech is really more about looking past the accolades and resume-padding and concentrating on doing things because you love to do them and because, hopefully, they serve the Greater Good, not because they’ll get you into college or make you money or make you famous.

His point is mainly that, as Americans, we’ve gotten to a point where the accolades become the point of the endeavor, rather than a consequence—a byproduct--- of the effort. As participants in a sport where bucket-listers abound and where everyone who crosses the finish line gets a medal, that’s a message we should all be reminded of from time to time.

If you haven't taken the time to read the whole speech, you should.
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crowny2 - 2012-06-12 6:32 AM

And supposedly all of the parents and almost all of the students liked the message.

Go figure.

 

Well, being the only truly special one in the audience, they wanted to make sure everyone else hearing it understood.

2012-06-12 12:19 PM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-12 11:32 AM

. . . , hopefully, they serve the Greater Good, . . . .

Mrs. Frozone?

 

 

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I tell my kids that all the time. Not in the context of our family, but when they go out into the real world and look for jobs or negotiate things. We did some pretty brutal pre-interview runthroughs with my oldest, and the first time he got fired still rocked his world.

Better they learn it from those who already knows they are special.

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Good speech, but I like Daniel Tosh's take even better...


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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-12 11:32 AM It’s true that he says “you’re not special”, but, more exactly, his point which he makes later is, “You are special, but so is everyone else.”

However as he also states, when everyone gets a trophy, trophies are meaningless.  If everyone is special, special doesn't mean squat.

Honestly I like the original interpretation.  Most of your are not special.  At least 1/2 of you are on the left of the bell curve ins ome aspect of your life.  Stop expecting the world to be this perfect place where you are the next Mark Zukerburg.  The sooner you realize the world is what YOU make of it, the better off you will be.

 

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Along the lines of "everyone is special", we were watching American Ninja Warrior recently, and were taken aback by the modification of who qualifies to move on. If you've watched the original Japanese version on G4, you know that people have to finish the leg (sometimes within a time limit) to move on to the next leg. Sometimes only a handful of people move on; and sometimes no one even gets to attempt the last leg.

On the US version, the top 15 racers move on, based on who got the furthest the fastest. So most of the people never even finished the first leg. I'm not saying I would have done better, but it really depreciates the significance of moving on the the next leg if you know not everyone completed the last one. Not to mention that they have been using totally different courses to qualify people in different parts of the country. To me, the analogy would be taking all comers to qualifying races for Ironman. Some people race a sprint, some a HIM, some an Oly. Some finish, some don't. The top 15 or 20 get to try Kona regardless of how well they did initially.

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gearboy - 2012-06-12 2:32 PM

Along the lines of "everyone is special", we were watching American Ninja Warrior recently, and were taken aback by the modification of who qualifies to move on. If you've watched the original Japanese version on G4, you know that people have to finish the leg (sometimes within a time limit) to move on to the next leg. Sometimes only a handful of people move on; and sometimes no one even gets to attempt the last leg.

That's the key word.  Kind of like American Top Gear.  Or the American version of the Office.  Pretty much if it's a remake of a foreign TV show or movie it's gonna suck.

3...2...1... "Why do you hate America?"

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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-12 11:32 AM It’s true that he says “you’re not special”, but, more exactly, his point which he makes later is, “You are special, but so is everyone else.”

However as he also states, when everyone gets a trophy, trophies are meaningless.  If everyone is special, special doesn't mean squat.

Honestly I like the original interpretation.  Most of your are not special.  At least 1/2 of you are on the left of the bell curve ins ome aspect of your life.  Stop expecting the world to be this perfect place where you are the next Mark Zukerburg.  The sooner you realize the world is what YOU make of it, the better off you will be.

 

I have had this discussion many times as a mom.  I had a neighbor who's son got a trophy in a karate tournament.  I asked him what place he came in, he said second, out of two competitors.  So he basically lost his first round match and still got a huge trophy for it.  

I get that kids don't always understand, but at some point when do you stop giving them medals and trophies for just showing up and start teaching them about winning, losing and good sportsmanship?

I don't want my kids to "coast" through life and not put any effort or hard work into their activities/schooling and expect results.   

Oh, and the UK Office was funnier!  



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ecozenmama - 2012-06-12 4:12 PM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-12 11:32 AM It’s true that he says “you’re not special”, but, more exactly, his point which he makes later is, “You are special, but so is everyone else.”

However as he also states, when everyone gets a trophy, trophies are meaningless.  If everyone is special, special doesn't mean squat.

Honestly I like the original interpretation.  Most of your are not special.  At least 1/2 of you are on the left of the bell curve ins ome aspect of your life.  Stop expecting the world to be this perfect place where you are the next Mark Zukerburg.  The sooner you realize the world is what YOU make of it, the better off you will be.

 

I have had this discussion many times as a mom.  I had a neighbor who's son got a trophy in a karate tournament.  I asked him what place he came in, he said second, out of two competitors.  So he basically lost his first round match and still got a huge trophy for it.  

I get that kids don't always understand, but at some point when do you stop giving them medals and trophies for just showing up and start teaching them about winning, losing and good sportsmanship?

I don't want my kids to "coast" through life and not put any effort or hard work into their activities/schooling and expect results.   

Oh, and the UK Office was funnier!  

There is of course a flip side to the "a medal for showing up". Mrs gearboy (and to some extent, the gear-children) are not at all motivated by external validation. In fact, if I hadn't insisted, she would have skipped her college and medical school graduations (which were also my graduations). She did skip her MBA graduation. Yet, she had put in all the hard work and effort needed. I think for some people, getting acknowledged is important; but for others, it is simply that things get done for their own sake.



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ecozenmama - 2012-06-12 3:12 PM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-12 11:32 AM It’s true that he says “you’re not special”, but, more exactly, his point which he makes later is, “You are special, but so is everyone else.”

However as he also states, when everyone gets a trophy, trophies are meaningless.  If everyone is special, special doesn't mean squat.

Honestly I like the original interpretation.  Most of your are not special.  At least 1/2 of you are on the left of the bell curve ins ome aspect of your life.  Stop expecting the world to be this perfect place where you are the next Mark Zukerburg.  The sooner you realize the world is what YOU make of it, the better off you will be.

 

I have had this discussion many times as a mom.  I had a neighbor who's son got a trophy in a karate tournament.  I asked him what place he came in, he said second, out of two competitors.  So he basically lost his first round match and still got a huge trophy for it.  

I get that kids don't always understand, but at some point when do you stop giving them medals and trophies for just showing up and start teaching them about winning, losing and good sportsmanship?

I don't want my kids to "coast" through life and not put any effort or hard work into their activities/schooling and expect results.   

Oh, and the UK Office was funnier!  

If you got second in your AG at a Tri, would you take the medal?  You can't control who does and doesn't show up. 

That being said, if there were 10 or 20 that showed up at the tournament and they all got a large trophy, that might be an equivalent issue.

Finally, how do finisher's medals fit into this discussion? Cool

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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-12 11:32 AM It’s true that he says “you’re not special”, but, more exactly, his point which he makes later is, “You are special, but so is everyone else.”

However as he also states, when everyone gets a trophy, trophies are meaningless.  If everyone is special, special doesn't mean squat.

Honestly I like the original interpretation.  Most of your are not special.  At least 1/2 of you are on the left of the bell curve ins ome aspect of your life.  Stop expecting the world to be this perfect place where you are the next Mark Zukerburg.  The sooner you realize the world is what YOU make of it, the better off you will be.

 

I have had this discussion many times as a mom.  I had a neighbor who's son got a trophy in a karate tournament.  I asked him what place he came in, he said second, out of two competitors.  So he basically lost his first round match and still got a huge trophy for it.  

I get that kids don't always understand, but at some point when do you stop giving them medals and trophies for just showing up and start teaching them about winning, losing and good sportsmanship?

I don't want my kids to "coast" through life and not put any effort or hard work into their activities/schooling and expect results.   

Oh, and the UK Office was funnier!  

If you got second in your AG at a Tri, would you take the medal?  You can't control who does and doesn't show up. 

That being said, if there were 10 or 20 that showed up at the tournament and they all got a large trophy, that might be an equivalent issue.

Finally, how do finisher's medals fit into this discussion? Cool

They did all receive the same size trophy, and there were more than 30 kids in his group.  I should have specified that, it does make a difference that he lost in the first round, and got the same trophy as a kid who went through to the end and got the same award.  

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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-12 11:32 AM It’s true that he says “you’re not special”, but, more exactly, his point which he makes later is, “You are special, but so is everyone else.”

However as he also states, when everyone gets a trophy, trophies are meaningless.  If everyone is special, special doesn't mean squat.

Honestly I like the original interpretation.  Most of your are not special.  At least 1/2 of you are on the left of the bell curve ins ome aspect of your life.  Stop expecting the world to be this perfect place where you are the next Mark Zukerburg.  The sooner you realize the world is what YOU make of it, the better off you will be.

 

I have had this discussion many times as a mom.  I had a neighbor who's son got a trophy in a karate tournament.  I asked him what place he came in, he said second, out of two competitors.  So he basically lost his first round match and still got a huge trophy for it.  

I get that kids don't always understand, but at some point when do you stop giving them medals and trophies for just showing up and start teaching them about winning, losing and good sportsmanship?

I don't want my kids to "coast" through life and not put any effort or hard work into their activities/schooling and expect results.   

Oh, and the UK Office was funnier!  

If you got second in your AG at a Tri, would you take the medal?  You can't control who does and doesn't show up. 

That being said, if there were 10 or 20 that showed up at the tournament and they all got a large trophy, that might be an equivalent issue.

Finally, how do finisher's medals fit into this discussion? Cool

While I think the "everybody's special" mentality is getting out of hand, I also think that laziness is getting out of hand.  If someone finishes a race, I have no problem with them getting a finisher medal, because they finished.  

I don't race for the medals.  I would do a race regardless, and yeah if I came in second in my AG then I would take the medal if I beat out a lot of other racers.  If I was second out of 2 people, it wouldn't have meaning to me, it would be like a finisher medal.  

Now, whether the t-shirt is cotton or tech makes a difference to me!   

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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-12 11:32 AM It’s true that he says “you’re not special”, but, more exactly, his point which he makes later is, “You are special, but so is everyone else.”

However as he also states, when everyone gets a trophy, trophies are meaningless.  If everyone is special, special doesn't mean squat.

Honestly I like the original interpretation.  Most of your are not special.  At least 1/2 of you are on the left of the bell curve ins ome aspect of your life.  Stop expecting the world to be this perfect place where you are the next Mark Zukerburg.  The sooner you realize the world is what YOU make of it, the better off you will be.

 

I have had this discussion many times as a mom.  I had a neighbor who's son got a trophy in a karate tournament.  I asked him what place he came in, he said second, out of two competitors.  So he basically lost his first round match and still got a huge trophy for it.  

I get that kids don't always understand, but at some point when do you stop giving them medals and trophies for just showing up and start teaching them about winning, losing and good sportsmanship?

I don't want my kids to "coast" through life and not put any effort or hard work into their activities/schooling and expect results.   

Oh, and the UK Office was funnier!  

If you got second in your AG at a Tri, would you take the medal?  You can't control who does and doesn't show up. 

That being said, if there were 10 or 20 that showed up at the tournament and they all got a large trophy, that might be an equivalent issue.

Finally, how do finisher's medals fit into this discussion? Cool

They did all receive the same size trophy, and there were more than 30 kids in his group.  I should have specified that, it does make a difference that he lost in the first round, and got the same trophy as a kid who went through to the end and got the same award.  

Agreed.

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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-12 11:32 AM It’s true that he says “you’re not special”, but, more exactly, his point which he makes later is, “You are special, but so is everyone else.”

However as he also states, when everyone gets a trophy, trophies are meaningless.  If everyone is special, special doesn't mean squat.

Honestly I like the original interpretation.  Most of your are not special.  At least 1/2 of you are on the left of the bell curve ins ome aspect of your life.  Stop expecting the world to be this perfect place where you are the next Mark Zukerburg.  The sooner you realize the world is what YOU make of it, the better off you will be.

 

I have had this discussion many times as a mom.  I had a neighbor who's son got a trophy in a karate tournament.  I asked him what place he came in, he said second, out of two competitors.  So he basically lost his first round match and still got a huge trophy for it.  

I get that kids don't always understand, but at some point when do you stop giving them medals and trophies for just showing up and start teaching them about winning, losing and good sportsmanship?

I don't want my kids to "coast" through life and not put any effort or hard work into their activities/schooling and expect results.   

Oh, and the UK Office was funnier!  



But don’t you think that most kids understand the difference between a trophy that they get for just showing up and an award that they actually earned by doing or being the best at something? I know my kid does, and it’s not because I went to any great lengths to explain it to him.

I think his AYSO trophy and his medal that he got for entering a Karate tournament are, to him, analogous to the goody bag you get a birthday party (which is another thing I could go on a 20 minute rant about, but that’s another thread.) He got the medal for showing up at the tournament, but when he passed his belt test, his instructor presented him with his yellow belt in front of everyone and it was a big deal to him. He won’t let me get rid of his yellow belt even though he’s moved up to green, but I doubt he even knows where the medal is.

I’m only speaking of a small demographic—namely the kids my son hangs out with, but most of them are savvy enough to figure out which are the actual rewards and which are the “thanks for showing up” rewards. My finisher medals are just souvenirs to me—something to look at that recalls the experience of the race.


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But don’t you think that most kids understand the difference between a trophy that they get for just showing up and an award that they actually earned by doing or being the best at something? I know my kid does, and it’s not because I went to any great lengths to explain it to him. I think his AYSO trophy and his medal that he got for entering a Karate tournament are, to him, analogous to the goody bag you get a birthday party (which is another thing I could go on a 20 minute rant about, but that’s another thread.) He got the medal for showing up at the tournament, but when he passed his belt test, his instructor presented him with his yellow belt in front of everyone and it was a big deal to him. He won’t let me get rid of his yellow belt even though he’s moved up to green, but I doubt he even knows where the medal is. I’m only speaking of a small demographic—namely the kids my son hangs out with, but most of them are savvy enough to figure out which are the actual rewards and which are the “thanks for showing up” rewards. My finisher medals are just souvenirs to me—something to look at that recalls the experience of the race.

This issue comes up often here at BT, and one of the points that often gets made is that what counts as "actually doing something" varies from person to person. Like I said above, mrs gearboy had no interest in attending any of her graduations, and probably would have to look hard to even find any of her diplomas. OTOH, I have still treasure my pint glass "finisher's award" from my first half marathon, even though I was DFL (or maybe second from it), because that was accomplishment to me. 

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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-12 11:32 AM It’s true that he says “you’re not special”, but, more exactly, his point which he makes later is, “You are special, but so is everyone else.”

However as he also states, when everyone gets a trophy, trophies are meaningless.  If everyone is special, special doesn't mean squat.

Honestly I like the original interpretation.  Most of your are not special.  At least 1/2 of you are on the left of the bell curve ins ome aspect of your life.  Stop expecting the world to be this perfect place where you are the next Mark Zukerburg.  The sooner you realize the world is what YOU make of it, the better off you will be.

 

I have had this discussion many times as a mom.  I had a neighbor who's son got a trophy in a karate tournament.  I asked him what place he came in, he said second, out of two competitors.  So he basically lost his first round match and still got a huge trophy for it.  

I get that kids don't always understand, but at some point when do you stop giving them medals and trophies for just showing up and start teaching them about winning, losing and good sportsmanship?

I don't want my kids to "coast" through life and not put any effort or hard work into their activities/schooling and expect results.   

Oh, and the UK Office was funnier!  

But don’t you think that most kids understand the difference between a trophy that they get for just showing up and an award that they actually earned by doing or being the best at something? I know my kid does, and it’s not because I went to any great lengths to explain it to him. I think his AYSO trophy and his medal that he got for entering a Karate tournament are, to him, analogous to the goody bag you get a birthday party (which is another thing I could go on a 20 minute rant about, but that’s another thread.) He got the medal for showing up at the tournament, but when he passed his belt test, his instructor presented him with his yellow belt in front of everyone and it was a big deal to him. He won’t let me get rid of his yellow belt even though he’s moved up to green, but I doubt he even knows where the medal is. I’m only speaking of a small demographic—namely the kids my son hangs out with, but most of them are savvy enough to figure out which are the actual rewards and which are the “thanks for showing up” rewards. My finisher medals are just souvenirs to me—something to look at that recalls the experience of the race.

I agree that most kids SHOULD be able to know the difference, but I don't see that happening in some situations.  My daughter understands that some of the things she earned she got because she worked hard and earned them, so they mean more to her.  She can see the success she has when she puts the time and effort into something.  

I also wonder if this is the product of the fact that she has parents who are both active and who set goals for themselves and work very hard to achieve them.  She understands what her dad went through to complete his first HIM, and the dedication it took for him to finish that goal. I think it isn't so much what we say to her, but more our actions.  If we set goals, we complete them.  She set a goal of wanting to run a 5k and I believe she will follow through and work hard to run her little heart out.  I think that will mean a lot to her, because she will put the time into running.  

She also knows that training to run will help her in soccer.  She realized that she needs to improve her endurance, but she is determined to get better.  

I am thinking of the situations where the kids show up, don't even try, and expect to be rewarded for it. Don't get me started either on birthday party goody bags.  I think we feel the same way on those!  

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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-06-12 5:22 PM

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But don’t you think that most kids understand the difference between a trophy that they get for just showing up and an award that they actually earned by doing or being the best at something? I know my kid does, and it’s not because I went to any great lengths to explain it to him. I think his AYSO trophy and his medal that he got for entering a Karate tournament are, to him, analogous to the goody bag you get a birthday party (which is another thing I could go on a 20 minute rant about, but that’s another thread.) He got the medal for showing up at the tournament, but when he passed his belt test, his instructor presented him with his yellow belt in front of everyone and it was a big deal to him. He won’t let me get rid of his yellow belt even though he’s moved up to green, but I doubt he even knows where the medal is. I’m only speaking of a small demographic—namely the kids my son hangs out with, but most of them are savvy enough to figure out which are the actual rewards and which are the “thanks for showing up” rewards. My finisher medals are just souvenirs to me—something to look at that recalls the experience of the race.

This issue comes up often here at BT, and one of the points that often gets made is that what counts as "actually doing something" varies from person to person. Like I said above, mrs gearboy had no interest in attending any of her graduations, and probably would have to look hard to even find any of her diplomas. OTOH, I have still treasure my pint glass "finisher's award" from my first half marathon, even though I was DFL (or maybe second from it), because that was accomplishment to me. 



Sure--I'm not talking about "doing something" in a universal sense. I get that it's different for each individual. What I'm saying is that personally, I've never met a kid who didn't understand that there was a difference between the trophy you get just for showing up and the one you get for winning. Both of those trophies are going to have different levels of significance to different kids. Some kids aren't going to care about the gold medal, while for others, the participation trophy may be a prized possession, depending on what it signifies to each kid. And I'm not judging either way, but I think that even the kid who treasures his participation trophy understands that it's different from the one that the winning kid took home.


2012-06-13 8:50 AM
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Subject: RE: Graduating Seniors..."You're not special"

I haven't read through all of the posts - or listened to the speech - but I like the idea. There was a posting recently on FB about a supposed graduation speech Bill Gates did - its somewhat like that. However...the high self esteem CAN be good...but not when there isn't a reason for it.  Reminds me of the "You Can Do Anything!" skit on SNL when Daniel Radcliffe hosted...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSjLiQxEZlM

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