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2012-06-28 4:43 PM

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Subject: Child going under general anesthesia - what to expect?

My 11 year old daughter has to have oral surgery for an ondontoma (begnign tumor) in a few weeks and the doctor says he wants to do it at a hospital instead of in the office because of the size/location.  We've been lucky that our kids have never been in the hospital (except a few ER visits for small accidents), so we have no experience with what to expect.  Do they usually get the child sleepy with something before the insert an IV?  How long does the child feel groggy/gross afterwards?  Anything special I should know or tell her about?  The doctor's office said the hospital would be contacting me, but I have no idea when or if they will have the answers to my questions.

 

Also, I did google this but wanted to see if anybody had real life experience to share.

 

Thanks for any advice!



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2012-06-28 4:49 PM
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As you know, I'm kidless but wanted to wish you and your daughter well and that everything and recovery goes smoothly.

I grew up a lot in hospitals and with a lot of procedures. Generally they will not sedate your child before they put an IV in, but they do shoot up sedation into the IV right before they wheel the patient into the OR, where she will be intubated and have further anesthesia for the procedure.

EDIT: given that it's oral surgery, my guess is that she won't be given complete general anesthesia (which usually involves intubation), but a powerful, short-acting anesthesia instead. Anyway, she really won't remember anything, probably not even being put out.



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2012-06-28 4:57 PM
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My friend's daughter went in for brain surgery about a month ago.  I know from her, they did not use anything before putting the IV in, but as Yanti said, right before they wheeled her in they sedated her.  

When she came out of surgery (they put a shunt in), she slept for a few hours, but was ready to get up and moving really soon.  Unfortunately they didn't want her to move for awhile to make sure that everything was ok.  By the next morning she was running around the room and playing and singing, etc.  

Lots of positive thoughts to you and your daughter!!!  

2012-06-28 5:04 PM
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Two of my kids have gone under and it's scary.  Not because of the procedure but just because of the worries of a parent.  Ours were 5 & 3 when they went under.

Our experience: the staff was great (as I'm sure yours will be) at diverting their attention away from what was about to go on, so anxiety for our kids was low.  they gave them "loopy juice" to kind of get them started.  It was some sort of oral general anesthesia, but basically it makes them act like a drunk teenager.  That's kind of funny and if you can have fun with it, it really helps to lighten the mood.  Laughter is a pretty good healer.  Anyway, the staff and the anesthesiologist had the answer to every question under the sun that we could ask, so I have no doubts yours will too.  After they woke up it was different for each kid.  We gave them the whole day to feel better and by the next day they were fine.  But we let them sleep and watch cartoons and movies as much as they wanted all day that day.  I'm sure your surgery is in the morning like ours were, and our kids it had pretty much worn off around noon.

 

Good luck with it.  I wish you the best.  I'm sure everything will turn out marvelously!

2012-06-28 5:23 PM
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My son has had 4 brain surgeries and a sedated MRI.  I am truthfully terrified every single time he goes under.  It was worse when he was younger and he couldn't vocalize if he was hungry/thirsty/in pain.  He recently turned 5 so it is easier now for him to communicate but I still get scared.  Waiting for him to wake from the sedation to me is almost worse than the surgery.  I will keep you guys in my thoughts and prayers.
2012-06-28 5:36 PM
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I'm sorry to hear that she'll have to experience this, but here's to hoping all goes well.

My eldest son had a procedure done, when he was around 6 or 7 and had to go under anesthesia.  As a parent, I was extremely concerned, just because.  I've never experienced anything like that and was worried, big time.  However, the doctor and staff were super-great and did explain possible things that could happen.

  My son did happen to have an "episode" in the recovery room (as was informed to us) where he looked like and acted like he was awake, but wasn't - he was more in a sleep-walking state having a nightmare and was screaming about how much the procedure hurt, quite a bit.  All my wife and I could do was hold him, hug him, and talk with him calmly, rub his head, and hold back our tears and other emotions to comfort him.  Within a few minutes, he was back asleep.  When he truly woke up, he didn't remember anything about the "episode".

Just letting you know that some kids may experience something while slowly waking up out of anesthesia.  Be calm, but keep a close eye for anything that may be out of the ordinary and call for assistance.



2012-06-28 5:48 PM
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As a parent it is always a traumatic experience when one of our children undergo any procedure which requires anesthesia. My now 14 year old underwent her first when she was 11 if I recall correctly. It was a very disturbing event to say the least. However, my last year in service (2008-9) I underwent 9 major surgeries and can honestly say that I learned that anesthesia is not as scary an issue as many think.

The procedure will be more taxing on you than your child. Everything will be fine. A little grogginess during recover but the resilience of children truly amazes me. I have seen a lot of things that tend to have more effect on an adult than the child. Rest assured that all will be fine, you will worry more than required, even if we offer the best advice here. God speed and take a breath! All is well.

2012-06-28 6:12 PM
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If they have issues with nausea (motion sickness etc..) tell the doctor before hand they can administer a medication that helps.  I found this out the hard way.  After my first surgery I was sick as a dog after waking up.  I told them this during the second and I felt 100% better after the surgery.
2012-06-28 8:55 PM
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TriAya - 2012-06-28 4:49 PM

As you know, I'm kidless but wanted to wish you and your daughter well and that everything and recovery goes smoothly.

I grew up a lot in hospitals and with a lot of procedures. Generally they will not sedate your child before they put an IV in, but they do shoot up sedation into the IV right before they wheel the patient into the OR, where she will be intubated and have further anesthesia for the procedure.

EDIT: given that it's oral surgery, my guess is that she won't be given complete general anesthesia (which usually involves intubation), but a powerful, short-acting anesthesia instead. Anyway, she really won't remember anything, probably not even being put out.

...or they could do nasotracheal intubation (through the nose...) I've seen this with oral surgeries I've watched.

2012-06-28 8:59 PM
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MomX3 - 2012-06-28 5:43 PM

My 11 year old daughter has to have oral surgery for an ondontoma (begnign tumor) in a few weeks and the doctor says he wants to do it at a hospital instead of in the office because of the size/location.  We've been lucky that our kids have never been in the hospital (except a few ER visits for small accidents), so we have no experience with what to expect.  Do they usually get the child sleepy with something before the insert an IV?  How long does the child feel groggy/gross afterwards?  Anything special I should know or tell her about?  The doctor's office said the hospital would be contacting me, but I have no idea when or if they will have the answers to my questions.

 

Also, I did google this but wanted to see if anybody had real life experience to share.

 

Thanks for any advice!



I am an anesthesiologist. I think the lawyers would make me tell you that I don't know you or your child and that I am only giving you general information. Take everything I tell with you a grain of salt.

I suspect your oral surgeon and anesthesiologist will both want your child to have general anesthesia--be all of the way asleep for the surgery. It is just too hard to sedate a child enough to allow a surgeon to work in the child's mouth but not so much that they don't stop breathing. In my opinion it is safer and certainly easier to do a full general anesthetic with a breathing tube. I know it sounds scarier to have a general anesthetic, but trust me it is safer. Depending on the oral surgeon's needs the breathing tube may have to go through her nose rather than her mouth. Either way, your child will be asleep when they put the breathing tube in.

At age 11, most kids are mature enough/reasonable enough that they can get an IV in preop. This really makes everyone's life easier. One poke and then the anesthesia provider has an access to sedate your child. This way they can sedate her while you are at her side and she will likely not remember any of the trip back to the OR. If your child is totally terrified of the needle, your anesthesiologist 'might' do a mask induction of general anesthesia. Some kids do really well with this and some don't. Like I said, I personally would really prefer having an IV in an 11 year old. If she is really anxious they might be able to give her some oral versed before the IV start but it would have to be a pretty big dose in most 11 year olds.

Most of us would preemptively treat your child for nausea while they are asleep. We also give pain medications and a moderate amount of IV fluids. She will not be pain free (unless the oral surgeon injects a bunch of local anesthesia) but her pain should be tolerable. Anti nausea drugs don't always work but they are effective in about 85% of patients who have general anesthesia. The IV fluids should be enough that even if she doesn't feel much like drinking/eating for the rest of the day she will still be OK.

I know this is scary. It is unbelievably safe. If you look at statistics, your car drive to the hospital is probably more dangerous/higher risk to your child than the anesthetic. I know it doesn't feel like it, but it is true. My son had to have two general anesthetics less than six weeks apart when he was 11. I did not worry a bit. I just know how safe and routine this is.

PM me if you have any specific questions. Again. I am not your doctor but I don't mind giving a little advice.
2012-06-29 7:43 AM
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wannabefaster - 2012-06-28 9:59 PM 

At age 11, most kids are mature enough/reasonable enough that they can get an IV in preop.

 

Not to make light of a serious thread, and wonderful guidance and advice, but at 30 years old I am not reasonable when I am told I need an IV.  You can watch my BP spike when the word comes up...just saying...



2012-06-29 7:54 AM
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mehaner - 2012-06-29 8:43 AM

wannabefaster - 2012-06-28 9:59 PM 

At age 11, most kids are mature enough/reasonable enough that they can get an IV in preop.

 

Not to make light of a serious thread, and wonderful guidance and advice, but at 30 years old I am not reasonable when I am told I need an IV.  You can watch my BP spike when the word comes up...just saying...



Hence the "most"

Some people can never come to terms with an IV and to others it is never an issue.

My son is a "sensory issues" type of kid and needed several blood draws/IV starts over the years. At first it was a disaster but as he has gotten older and gone through it several times it has become a non issue. Some people never get to that point..... Not an indictment. Just a statement.
2012-06-29 9:57 AM
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wannabefaster - 2012-06-29 7:54 AM
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wannabefaster - 2012-06-28 9:59 PM 

At age 11, most kids are mature enough/reasonable enough that they can get an IV in preop.

 

Not to make light of a serious thread, and wonderful guidance and advice, but at 30 years old I am not reasonable when I am told I need an IV.  You can watch my BP spike when the word comes up...just saying...

Hence the "most" Some people can never come to terms with an IV and to others it is never an issue. My son is a "sensory issues" type of kid and needed several blood draws/IV starts over the years. At first it was a disaster but as he has gotten older and gone through it several times it has become a non issue. Some people never get to that point..... Not an indictment. Just a statement.

My daughter is also SPD, the first time she went in for an IV it was just painful to watch her.  Same thing though, through the process of time, she is used to them and only takes her a few seconds to get over it.  

2012-06-29 10:35 AM
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Lots of great info here already.  I do procedures on sedated/anesthetized kids so I've seen quite a few go through this, and it is very safe.  Is she having it done at a Children's hospital or is it mostly for adults?  

Depending on the medication she may be loopy afterwards, and may not remember much.  My son was so afraid of what he was going to say while he was under (wisdom teeth extraction)!  I will never tell...

If I can offer only one piece of advice it is to follow the guidelines about when she has to stop eating and drinking!!!  If they don't give you any, ASK.  If she has had anything to eat or drink within the specified period before they will cancel the surgery and that's no fun for anyone.  

Good luck- it's always a scary thing but I'm sure she will do great.

2012-06-29 11:00 AM
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Thank you so much for all of the stories and advice - I feel better already!  It is not a children's hospital - in fact it is not even our local hospital it is about an hour away.  I guess that is the hospital where he has privileges so we can't use our local hospital which is about 2 miles down the road! 

The regular dentist called me yesterday to check in and it turns out she was the one to recommend doing the procedure in the hospital setting and using the general anesthesia instead of the twilight.  She said she thinks it is easier on the kids especially if it turns out there are any complications once they get into her mouth.  The dentist also said that when she brings kids to the hospital she has seen them get a mask that puts them to sleep first then the needle so that would be great if it works out.

Luckily I am more nervous than she is - she said she is worried but is just glad she will be asleep and won't remember a thing.  I did tell her I was going to make a video like the David After the Dentist video and she was not amused!

2012-06-29 4:11 PM
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Both my kids had a general to have their tonsils out.  Overall, both went well, and there were no issues.  Lots of good things to think about above.  I will say that perhaps you should prepare yourself for what your child might look like when out.  In my younger one's case, we were allowed back to see her before she came around.  Seeing her like that, very much out, eyes slightly open, but unfocused, etc. was very difficult for me.  She looked, for lack of a better word, dead.  I knew she wasn't, and was ok, but it was a hard sight for me.  Just something to think about so its not overly shocking to you. 

Good luck, and I hope everything goes smoothly.



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Wannabe faster gave great advice. Really a lot depends on the kid.  Like he said at 11 most kids can handle an IV.....they can give a litttle sedation or sometimes they will put a topical anesthetic on the skin before the IV goes in.  No one wants to see their kid get stuck with a needle but in the grander scheme of life, pain and what can happen its really a small amount of pain to have a needle stick.   Sometimes they mask kids down but usually at 11 they will start the line before hand.  Remember they do this all day everyday even tho its a one time thing for you guys.
2012-06-30 3:57 PM
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Thanks again.  She has gone through a few things that make me think she'll be OK if she has to have an IV first.  When she was about 4 she had an ear/nose/throat guy stick some super long tube with the light on the end of it so far up her nose that I could see it shine through her forehead.  When that didn't show anything she had to have an MRI of her brain where they gave her a small needle for the dye I guess.  (she can't smell and they were trying to figure out why - never did!

Thanks also for the advice about motion sickness - she does have that so I will mention it to the doctor.

2012-06-30 6:10 PM
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My son went under when he was 8 months old. Scary stuff. They give the infants some sort of valium type thing to chill them out when they are going under and when they wake up otherwise they are freaking out looking for their moms. Makes them sort of docile.

I remember going under when I was 5 or 6 or 7 and it was a horrible experience. I freaked out in the OR and wouldn't let them put the mask on me to put me out so they started prepping me for a shot. It was brutal. At the time I remember thinking the docs were super evil but in retrospect they were, of course, very appropriate. They had to give me some prepping shot beforehand in the butt, I think there were 4 guys holding me down. It was horrible. But I was super afraid of shots too. No real lasting effects, can't remember what my mom did to chill me out. Of course it is tough because you can't have anything to eat or drink. Don't remember being scared of doctors after that but just a scary thing to go through.
2012-07-10 4:42 PM
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Tomorrow is the big day, I'll let you know how it goes.
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Good luck! I hope you have un-eventful surgery and a quick recovery for your little one!


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I was put under to get my wisdom teeth removed, I don't know a lot of the details but I do remember the following.

They put a mask on me first with laughing gas in it, I asked the nurse why she was doing that as I was told I was going all the way under, they told me it was so I wouldn't be nervous about the IV going in. So by the time they got the needle out I was already kinda loopy. The doc asked me if I could make a fist, I remember thinking "duh, who can't do that" I made one, he stuck me and that was it until I woke up next to my mom in the recovery room.

I don't remember a lot about the drive home but by the time we got home I was pretty coherent. No issues other than the ridiculous pain of having holes in my jaw bone.

2012-07-11 2:49 PM
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We're back!  Thank you all again for all of your advice - it was nice to have an idea what to expect.  It wasn't the best experience, but it wasn't the worst either.  We had to get up at 4:45am because we had to be at the hospital (45 minutes away instead of the one 2 miles away) at 6am.  It took a while to register then we went back to the area where they do the IV. 

The anesthesiologist came in and was very nice, but she couldn't find the vein!  She tried in my daughter's left hand and did poke her a few times.  My daughter was crying (not a ton, but crying) which made my husband and I tear up but we tried not to let her see.  The doctor felt so bad she kept apologizing.  They finally called over another doctor who I guess was better at IVs and after much slapping and prodding they never did get a vein.  The nurse (I'm not sure of her title - she was like an advocate - just there to stay with my daughter, hold her hand, etc - she was great) suggested they do the gas first and IV later.  That was fine with my daughter who was now pretty stressed out. 

Our surgeon came and went over everything with us and then they rolled her off to the OR while we went to the waiting room.  Our Dr. said it would be about an hour and a half, but he was back in just an hour saying everything went well.  We went to recovery to find a semi-awake grumpy girl.  She was a bit nauseous and had a sore throat from the tube.  It took about an hour until she was ready to go home.

We were home by 11am and she has been resting on the couch in the play room ever since.  She feels OK, her mouth is still numb though so we will see what happens when that wears off.  I'm trying to get her to sip water and eat some sherbert to soothe her throat but she has only had a tiny bit.

So thank you again for all of your help!

2012-07-11 4:14 PM
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Good to hear everything went well!
2012-07-11 5:04 PM
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Glad it's over for you all.  Hope everything is well.

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