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2012-10-10 8:42 AM

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I saw this article and immediately thought I would try to find another job ASAP.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/09/news/economy/siegel-email-employees/index.html?hpt=hp_t2



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2012-10-10 8:45 AM
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My brother-in-law is trying to defnd the guy. His veiled threats of telling his employees how they should vote should border on illegal.

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2012-10-10 8:56 AM
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Eh.....who cares?  I didn't see any "veiled threats"....just his views on what he sees ahead for HIS company. If the guy can grow a business to 7000 employees I'm sure he can do the math on Obama's promised tax increase, see what it means to his bottom line, and let his employees know that he will cut jobs.  I'd only be looking for another job if Obama gets elected.
2012-10-10 8:57 AM
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Someone who threatens his employees’ jobs over something over which they have no control all while he’s busy building the largest home in the country is not someone I would want to work for. He sounds like a douche.
2012-10-10 9:12 AM
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Left Brain - 2012-10-10 9:56 AM Eh.....who cares? 

Yeah.  It's certainly tacky, but I'm not quitting a job over it.  Aren't bosses by definition douches?

 

2012-10-10 9:20 AM
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Left Brain - 2012-10-10 9:56 AM

Eh.....who cares?  I didn't see any "veiled threats"....just his views on what he sees ahead for HIS company. If the guy can grow a business to 7000 employees I'm sure he can do the math on Obama's promised tax increase, see what it means to his bottom line, and let his employees know that he will cut jobs.  I'd only be looking for another job if Obama gets elected.


This is a veiled threat followed by some passive / aggresive CYA language:

"What does threaten your job however, is another 4 years of the same Presidential administration. Of course, as your employer, I can't tell you whom to vote for, and I certainly wouldn't interfere with your right to vote for whomever you choose. In fact, I encourage you to vote for whomever you think will serve your interests the best"


2012-10-10 9:22 AM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-10 6:57 AM Someone who threatens his employees’ jobs over something over which they have no control all while he’s busy building the largest home in the country is not someone I would want to work for. He sounds like a douche.

That's the exact word the came to my mind, too.  I'd probably add several colorful adjectives.

2012-10-10 9:23 AM
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Left Brain - 2012-10-10 9:56 AM Eh.....who cares? 

Yeah.  It's certainly tacky, but I'm not quitting a job over it.  Aren't bosses by definition douches?

 

I resemble that remark!

Actually, I can say I've worked for some really great people in my career. And one uber-DB.

2012-10-10 9:23 AM
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pitt83 - 2012-10-10 9:20 AM
Left Brain - 2012-10-10 9:56 AM Eh.....who cares?  I didn't see any "veiled threats"....just his views on what he sees ahead for HIS company. If the guy can grow a business to 7000 employees I'm sure he can do the math on Obama's promised tax increase, see what it means to his bottom line, and let his employees know that he will cut jobs.  I'd only be looking for another job if Obama gets elected.
This is a veiled threat followed by some passive / aggresive CYA language: "What does threaten your job however, is another 4 years of the same Presidential administration. Of course, as your employer, I can't tell you whom to vote for, and I certainly wouldn't interfere with your right to vote for whomever you choose. In fact, I encourage you to vote for whomever you think will serve your interests the best"

That sounds more like veiled encouragement than a veiled threat.

2012-10-10 9:26 AM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-10 7:57 AM Someone who threatens his employees’ jobs over something over which they have no control all while he’s busy building the largest home in the country is not someone I would want to work for. He sounds like a douche.

yea, he's a douche.  But he has a right to express his opinion on what he sees the future of the company.  If the president of my company did something similar I sure would not quit over it. But I might start looking for another job.

2012-10-10 9:42 AM
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rayd - 2012-10-10 9:26 AM

jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-10 7:57 AM Someone who threatens his employees’ jobs over something over which they have no control all while he’s busy building the largest home in the country is not someone I would want to work for. He sounds like a douche.

But he has a right to express his opinion on what he sees the future of the company. 



Did I (or anyone else) say otherwise?


2012-10-10 9:48 AM
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Left Brain - 2012-10-10 9:23 AM

pitt83 - 2012-10-10 9:20 AM
Left Brain - 2012-10-10 9:56 AM Eh.....who cares?  I didn't see any "veiled threats"....just his views on what he sees ahead for HIS company. If the guy can grow a business to 7000 employees I'm sure he can do the math on Obama's promised tax increase, see what it means to his bottom line, and let his employees know that he will cut jobs.  I'd only be looking for another job if Obama gets elected.
This is a veiled threat followed by some passive / aggresive CYA language: "What does threaten your job however, is another 4 years of the same Presidential administration. Of course, as your employer, I can't tell you whom to vote for, and I certainly wouldn't interfere with your right to vote for whomever you choose. In fact, I encourage you to vote for whomever you think will serve your interests the best"

That sounds more like veiled encouragement than a veiled threat.


So, if I say to you, “Hand over your money or I’ll kill you”, you would say that I’m “encouraging” you to hand over your money?
Interesting perspective.
2012-10-10 9:49 AM
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I guess everyone here thinking this is out of line is also anti-union?
2012-10-10 9:51 AM
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bradword - 2012-10-10 10:49 AM I guess everyone here thinking this is out of line is also anti-union?

But that's different.

 

 

2012-10-10 9:51 AM
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rayd - 2012-10-10 8:26 AM

jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-10 7:57 AM Someone who threatens his employees’ jobs over something over which they have no control all while he’s busy building the largest home in the country is not someone I would want to work for. He sounds like a douche.

yea, he's a douche.  But he has a right to express his opinion on what he sees the future of the company.  If the president of my company did something similar I sure would not quit over it. But I might start looking for another job.

Yeah my point was I'd start looking for a new job ASAP, not quit. If he truly thinks that he can't run his business because of who is in the presidency, then I'm thinking I need a more secure job.

2012-10-10 9:57 AM
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bradword - 2012-10-10 10:49 AM

I guess everyone here thinking this is out of line is also anti-union?


I'm not anti-union, but you raise a valid point.


2012-10-10 10:03 AM
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bradword - 2012-10-10 9:49 AM

I guess everyone here thinking this is out of line is also anti-union?


Not everyone.
2012-10-10 10:06 AM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-10 8:57 AM Someone who threatens his employees’ jobs over something over which they have no control all while he’s busy building the largest home in the country is not someone I would want to work for. He sounds like a douche.

What does the size of his house have to do with anything? Would he be less of a douche if it was the 2nd or 3rd largest house in the country? Are we not allowed to spend money we earn now without massive criticism? 

2012-10-10 10:07 AM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-10 9:57 AM Someone who threatens his employees’ jobs over something over which they have no control all while he’s busy building the largest home in the country is not someone I would want to work for. He sounds like a douche.

x2. Plus, other than sounding tough for who I presume are his Tea Party buddies, all he has done is disincentivize his employees. He is essentially telling them that their jobs are now contingent on something they have essentially no control over - which means whether they work hard and do a good job or not, it does not matter to him. So, the message to the employees is to do the minimum required, not to excel. It's akin to when the hospital I work for made bonuses for people contingent on how quickly patients were moved through the ER - even if they did not work in the ER. Lack of control is what leads people to burn out and become poorly motivated at their jobs.

2012-10-10 10:08 AM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-10 8:57 AM Someone who threatens his employees’ jobs over something over which they have no control all while he’s busy building the largest home in the country is not someone I would want to work for. He sounds like a douche.

What does the size of his house have to do with anything? Would he be less of a douche if it was the 2nd or 3rd largest house in the country? Are we not allowed to spend money we earn now without massive criticism? 

Not for the last 4 years, no.

Then again having rowed past Derek Jeeter's Manstrosity on a number of occasions, some of it is justified.

2012-10-10 10:09 AM
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lisac957 - 2012-10-10 11:06 AM

Are we not allowed to spend money we earn now without massive criticism? 

It's cool to use that as an insult of those that disfavor the President.

 

 

 



2012-10-10 10:16 AM
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rayd - 2012-10-10 9:26 AM

jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-10 7:57 AM Someone who threatens his employees’ jobs over something over which they have no control all while he’s busy building the largest home in the country is not someone I would want to work for. He sounds like a douche.

But he has a right to express his opinion on what he sees the future of the company. 

Did I (or anyone else) say otherwise?

ahh...no.  Did I say that?  sheesh...

2012-10-10 10:18 AM
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rayd - 2012-10-10 11:16 AM ahh...no.  Did I say that?  sheesh...

I'm not saying anything.  Just sayin' . . .

 

 

 

 

2012-10-10 10:19 AM
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I actually commend him for speaking the truth.  He may come across as a D-Bag, but quite simply the actions of the current government to vilify the 1% and make them "pay their fair share" has consequences.  The consequences are jobs, plain and simple.  If you raise his taxes by $1M per year then that's $1M that he is either going to cut out of his companies bottom line or $1M that he is not spending on luxury items that will effect other businesses.

Most people who support hammering the rich choose to ignore this aspect and get their feathers ruffled when somebody dares say he'd actually lay people off.

So, yes I'd work for him. (at least until he fired me)  

2012-10-10 10:19 AM
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Unfortunately Westgate Resorts is a private company and so douchebag Siegel can do what he wants with it and his employees.  As to the douche thing, you tell me...

 

Unites States of America versus Westgate Resorts Ltd
 
On January 20, 2009 Westgate Resorts Ltd. was found guilty and had to settle with the US Government for its violations of the Telemarketing Sales Rule, 16 C.F.R. Part 310, including the National Do Not Call Registry provisions. As part of its settlement with the US Government, it had to pay a $900,000 fine.
 
Sexual Harassment Lawsuit
 
Westgate Founder David Siegel was found guilty of sexual harassment in a lawsuit brought by former Westgate employee Georgette Meyers.  Meyers worked for Westgate for 14 years. She claimed that Siegel offered $1 Million to have sex with her. Meyers claimed that she had to repeatedly fight off unwanted advances from Siegel, and a Florida court awarded Meyers $5.4 Million in damages in February 2008.
 
Queen of Versailles
 
In 2012, filmmaker Lauren Greenfield released a film entitled Queen of Versailles, based on a series of interviews with Siegel, his wife Jackie Siegel, and their attempt to build a 90,000 square foot mansion modeled after the famous French original. In the film, David Siegel is shown struggling (and ultimately failing) to secure funding for Westgate's Las Vegas high-rise resort, the Ph Towers Westgate. Siegel's son and senior Westgate executive, Richard, is quoted as saying that David Siegel's determination not to lose the Ph Tower was a major source of the company's financial troubles in 2009-11. On November 22, 2011, a controlling interest in the property was sold to Resort Finance America LLC.


 



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