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2012-12-18 7:52 AM

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Subject: Open note to GOP Leaders

Louie,

As a lifelong Republican and a long time supporter of you. I hope you can convince our fellow Republicans in Washington not to give the President the power to control the debt.  The power to tax, spend, and barrow, rests in the congress, most strongly invested in the House of Representatives and there it must remain.  If Republicans give this power to the President than I may be forced to leave the Republican Party.  If the party can no longer stand for its principals than what good is it? If the leadership no longer represents the principals of the party then what good are they?   If the members can no longer influence the leaders why be members?  

V/R

Clifford Barnes

This is a copy of a note I sent my Congressman Louie Gohmert



2012-12-18 7:57 AM
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CBarnes - 2012-12-18 5:52 AM If the party can no longer stand for its principals than what good is it? If the leadership no longer represents the principals of the party then what good are they?   If the members can no longer influence the leaders why be members? 

Isn't this the basic problem with politics as they exist today, across the board?

2012-12-18 8:01 AM
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CBarnes - 2012-12-18 8:52 AM

If Republicans give this power to the President than I may be forced to leave the Republican Party. 

Political parties are scams.

 

2012-12-18 8:10 AM
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 A political party is just a group of people with very similar views banding together to get their point across and to influence
lawmakers.  The scam is when the party no longer stands for what it professes.

2012-12-18 8:10 AM
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IMO politics are too much like sports. Parties were not designed to play to win or lose. They were designed to represent their members at the BARGAINING table. To work on a compromise that represented their views. BTW, where are you going if you're not part of the party? Are you just going to stop cheering til they get back into the playoffs in a few years? Is this a political party fair-weather fan thing?
2012-12-18 8:11 AM
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CBarnes - 2012-12-18 9:10 AM

The scam is when the party no longer stands for what it professes.

Like I said.

 

 



2012-12-18 8:22 AM
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Moonrocket - 2012-12-18 8:10 AM IMO politics are too much like sports. Parties were not designed to play to win or lose. They were designed to represent their members at the BARGAINING table. To work on a compromise that represented their views. BTW, where are you going if you're not part of the party? Are you just going to stop cheering til they get back into the playoffs in a few years? Is this a political party fair-weather fan thing?

 

 

I do not know perhaps the Libertarians I have a lot of Libertarian views, Perhaps I will need to look for a new party one that more closely represents my views. As far as a fair weather fan, no I have been a Republican since Reagan ran in 1980.

 

2012-12-18 8:27 AM
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It used to be called “negotiating” or “compromising”. Now it’s called “giving in”. No wonder nothing gets done in Washington.
2012-12-18 8:54 AM
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How about something like this.

 

Louie, congress, including yourself is an embarrassment. The fact that you run into the debt ceiling issue repeatedly, is an indictment on your ability to run this country. The debt ceiling is a perfect example of your incompetence. The debt ceiling merely reflects the obligations you have already made. In essence, you agree to spend the money, then when it is time to pay it out you protest that the debt is too high. I believe that in order for this country to continue as the greatest country in the world, it is your responsibility to resign from office immediately and renounce both parties in Washington. In addition you should explicitly detail the favors you intended to give out in exchange for your re-election. Maybe then the American people will wake up to the joke that is the American political establishment.

Josh

2012-12-18 8:59 AM
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JoshR - 2012-12-18 8:54 AM

How about something like this.

 

Louie, congress, including yourself is an embarrassment. The fact that you run into the debt ceiling issue repeatedly, is an indictment on your ability to run this country. The debt ceiling is a perfect example of your incompetence. The debt ceiling merely reflects the obligations you have already made. In essence, you agree to spend the money, then when it is time to pay it out you protest that the debt is too high. I believe that in order for this country to continue as the greatest country in the world, it is your responsibility to resign from office immediately and renounce both parties in Washington. In addition you should explicitly detail the favors you intended to give out in exchange for your re-election. Maybe then the American people will wake up to the joke that is the American political establishment.

Josh

 Looks like you nailed it there Josh.

2012-12-18 9:01 AM
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mdg2003 - 2012-12-18 9:59 AM
JoshR - 2012-12-18 8:54 AM

How about something like this.

 

Louie, congress, including yourself is an embarrassment. The fact that you run into the debt ceiling issue repeatedly, is an indictment on your ability to run this country. The debt ceiling is a perfect example of your incompetence. The debt ceiling merely reflects the obligations you have already made. In essence, you agree to spend the money, then when it is time to pay it out you protest that the debt is too high. I believe that in order for this country to continue as the greatest country in the world, it is your responsibility to resign from office immediately and renounce both parties in Washington. In addition you should explicitly detail the favors you intended to give out in exchange for your re-election. Maybe then the American people will wake up to the joke that is the American political establishment.

Josh

 Looks like you nailed it there Josh.

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2012-12-18 9:02 AM
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CBarnes - 2012-12-18 9:10 AM

 A political party is just a group of people with very similar views banding together to get their point across and to influence
lawmakers.  The scam is when the party no longer stands for what it professes.

If you had to explain the difference between a gang and a political party to an unknowing person, could you?  

This is a fun exercise that I used to facilitate at fraternity conferences.  Kinda makes you think

2012-12-18 9:04 AM
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CBarnes - 2012-12-18 9:10 AM

 A political party is just a group of people with very similar views banding together to get their point across and to influence
lawmakers.  The scam is when the party no longer stands for what it professes.

If you had to explain the difference between a gang and a political party to an unknowing person, could you?  

This is a fun exercise that I used to facilitate at fraternity conferences.  Kinda makes you think

That can be said for any grouping though religious, professional etc.

I mean explain the difference between a religion and a cult?

2012-12-18 9:06 AM
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trinnas - 2012-12-18 9:04 AM

ADollar79 - 2012-12-18 10:02 AM
CBarnes - 2012-12-18 9:10 AM

 A political party is just a group of people with very similar views banding together to get their point across and to influence
lawmakers.  The scam is when the party no longer stands for what it professes.

If you had to explain the difference between a gang and a political party to an unknowing person, could you?  

This is a fun exercise that I used to facilitate at fraternity conferences.  Kinda makes you think

That can be said for any grouping though religious, professional etc.

I mean explain the difference between a religion and a cult?



Religions get to legally evade taxes.
2012-12-18 9:12 AM
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CBarnes - 2012-12-18 8:52 AM

Louie,

As a lifelong Republican and a long time supporter of you. I hope you can convince our fellow Republicans in Washington not to give the President the power to control the debt.  The power to tax, spend, and barrow, rests in the congress, most strongly invested in the House of Representatives and there it must remain.  If Republicans give this power to the President than I may be forced to leave the Republican Party.  If the party can no longer stand for its principals than what good is it? If the leadership no longer represents the principals of the party then what good are they?   If the members can no longer influence the leaders why be members?  

V/R

Clifford Barnes

This is a copy of a note I sent my Congressman Louie Gohmert

I don't care how one feels about the above statement.  But I want to say THANK YOU for taking the time to contact your Congressman.

Too many just complain and never take the time to let their voice be actually heard.

2012-12-18 9:18 AM
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CBarnes - 2012-12-18 8:52 AM

Louie,

As a lifelong Republican and a long time supporter of you. I hope you can convince our fellow Republicans in Washington not to give the President the power to control the debt.  The power to tax, spend, and barrow, rests in the congress, most strongly invested in the House of Representatives and there it must remain.  If Republicans give this power to the President than I may be forced to leave the Republican Party.  If the party can no longer stand for its principals than what good is it? If the leadership no longer represents the principals of the party then what good are they?   If the members can no longer influence the leaders why be members?  

V/R

Clifford Barnes

This is a copy of a note I sent my Congressman Louie Gohmert

I don't care how one feels about the above statement.  But I want to say THANK YOU for taking the time to contact your Congressman.

Too many just complain and never take the time to let their voice be actually heard.

Quite a few of us don't believe our voice does anything. As the saying goes, Money talks.



2012-12-18 9:26 AM
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JoshR - 2012-12-18 8:54 AM

How about something like this.

 

Louie, congress, including yourself is an embarrassment. The fact that you run into the debt ceiling issue repeatedly, is an indictment on your ability to run this country. The debt ceiling is a perfect example of your incompetence. The debt ceiling merely reflects the obligations you have already made. In essence, you agree to spend the money, then when it is time to pay it out you protest that the debt is too high. I believe that in order for this country to continue as the greatest country in the world, it is your responsibility to resign from office immediately and renounce both parties in Washington. In addition you should explicitly detail the favors you intended to give out in exchange for your re-election. Maybe then the American people will wake up to the joke that is the American political establishment.

Josh

 

Nailed it.

 

2012-12-18 9:41 AM
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Goosedog - 2012-12-18 6:01 AM
CBarnes - 2012-12-18 8:52 AM

If Republicans give this power to the President than I may be forced to leave the Republican Party. 

Political parties are scams.

 

^^This^^

2012-12-18 9:58 AM
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trinnas - 2012-12-18 10:04 AM
ADollar79 - 2012-12-18 10:02 AM
CBarnes - 2012-12-18 9:10 AM

 A political party is just a group of people with very similar views banding together to get their point across and to influence
lawmakers.  The scam is when the party no longer stands for what it professes.

If you had to explain the difference between a gang and a political party to an unknowing person, could you?  

This is a fun exercise that I used to facilitate at fraternity conferences.  Kinda makes you think

That can be said for any grouping though religious, professional etc.

I mean explain the difference between a religion and a cult?

Time and membership numbers. 

Most religions start off indistinguishable from a cult. A small number of people following a single person's view. If it survives the death of the leadership, and continues to gain membership, it accrues respectibility and gets "upgraded".

Imagine no Abrahamic religions exist. Now imagine I take my son up to the mountains, with the intent of killing him. I come back down, and instead cut off his foreskin, my foreskin, the foreskins of my male relatives, and tell anyone who listens that this is what we will be doing from now on. Religious revelation or cult? You can play the same thought experiment with Christianity, Islam, Mormons, or any other "revealed" religion. I would imagine back in the day, there were simliar cult -> religion pathways for the various polytheistic faiths as well ("Daddy, I know I'm pregnant, but I swear, Apollo was disguised as a swan...")

2012-12-18 11:50 AM
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rnp70 - 2012-12-18 8:26 AM
JoshR - 2012-12-18 8:54 AM

How about something like this.

 

Louie, congress, including yourself is an embarrassment. The fact that you run into the debt ceiling issue repeatedly, is an indictment on your ability to run this country. The debt ceiling is a perfect example of your incompetence. The debt ceiling merely reflects the obligations you have already made. In essence, you agree to spend the money, then when it is time to pay it out you protest that the debt is too high. I believe that in order for this country to continue as the greatest country in the world, it is your responsibility to resign from office immediately and renounce both parties in Washington. In addition you should explicitly detail the favors you intended to give out in exchange for your re-election. Maybe then the American people will wake up to the joke that is the American political establishment.

Josh

 

Nailed it.

 

That sums it up for me, too.  Thanks!

2012-12-18 11:53 AM
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trinnas - 2012-12-18 10:04 AM
ADollar79 - 2012-12-18 10:02 AM
CBarnes - 2012-12-18 9:10 AM

 A political party is just a group of people with very similar views banding together to get their point across and to influence
lawmakers.  The scam is when the party no longer stands for what it professes.

If you had to explain the difference between a gang and a political party to an unknowing person, could you?  

This is a fun exercise that I used to facilitate at fraternity conferences.  Kinda makes you think

That can be said for any grouping though religious, professional etc.

I mean explain the difference between a religion and a cult?

Religion is what I believe in.  A cult is what the guy I don't like believes in.



2012-12-18 12:47 PM
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TriRSquared - 2012-12-18 11:53 AM
trinnas - 2012-12-18 10:04 AM
ADollar79 - 2012-12-18 10:02 AM
CBarnes - 2012-12-18 9:10 AM

 A political party is just a group of people with very similar views banding together to get their point across and to influence
lawmakers.  The scam is when the party no longer stands for what it professes.

If you had to explain the difference between a gang and a political party to an unknowing person, could you?  

This is a fun exercise that I used to facilitate at fraternity conferences.  Kinda makes you think

That can be said for any grouping though religious, professional etc.

I mean explain the difference between a religion and a cult?

Religion is what I believe in.  A cult is what the guy I don't like believes in.

yep pretty much.

2012-12-18 12:49 PM
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I do find it interesting when it comes to our leaders not carry about us we all seem to agree with that. 
2012-12-18 2:39 PM
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Did you get angry constituent fundraising form letter #6 as a response? Do they have computer programs for this? If email contains "give in" or "pansy" and it is first email from account send form letter #6. Might confuse a request from the local garden club though. I am curious if they responded and if they asked for monetary support in their response.
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