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2013-03-19 9:49 AM

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2013-03-19 9:58 AM
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Are these the same cops who say it's illegal to record their actions in public?
2013-03-19 10:03 AM
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r u serus
2013-03-19 10:07 AM
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Of course they want to, it would make their jobs much easier.  The question is will it fly?

2013-03-19 10:11 AM
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Hmmm...I don't think that's right...that would be like tapping everyone's phone!  Not cool!

That being said...if you are dumb enough to incriminate yourself for a crime with a text message perhaps you deserve to get caught...

2013-03-19 10:40 AM
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jldicarlo - 2013-03-19 10:11 AM

Hmmm...I don't think that's right...that would be like tapping everyone's phone!  Not cool!

That being said...if you are dumb enough to incriminate yourself for a crime with a text message perhaps you deserve to get caught...

You should see what I see.  Laughing 



2013-03-19 10:42 AM
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jldicarlo - 2013-03-19 10:11 AM

Hmmm...I don't think that's right...that would be like tapping everyone's phone!  Not cool!

That being said...if you are dumb enough to incriminate yourself for a crime with a text message perhaps you deserve to get caught...

People put things on FB, on Twitter all the time that are used against them by LE. Criminals are not always the smartest people in the world. Many times, we have made IDs of people due to pictures on FB of them in clothes worn during the crime they committed! So yeah, I can totally see people texting incriminating messages.

2013-03-19 10:43 AM
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As for the original post and the idea of keeping and storing private text messages.

HELL NO!!!

2013-03-19 10:52 AM
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Left Brain - 2013-03-19 11:43 AM

As for the original post and the idea of keeping and storing private text messages.

HELL NO!!!

Seconded.Not even a slow erosion of rights anymore, more like a tidal wave.

 

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2013-03-19 11:14 AM
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jldicarlo - 2013-03-19 10:11 AM

Hmmm...I don't think that's right...that would be like tapping everyone's phone!  Not cool!

That being said...if you are dumb enough to incriminate yourself for a crime with a text message perhaps you deserve to get caught...

As I read it, authorities will still need a search warrant. I'm as much for right to privacy as the next guy but don't see how this violates the 4th.

 

2013-03-19 11:28 AM
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Jackemy1 - 2013-03-19 12:14 PM
jldicarlo - 2013-03-19 10:11 AM

Hmmm...I don't think that's right...that would be like tapping everyone's phone!  Not cool!

That being said...if you are dumb enough to incriminate yourself for a crime with a text message perhaps you deserve to get caught...

As I read it, authorities will still need a search warrant. I'm as much for right to privacy as the next guy but don't see how this violates the 4th.

 

but it's kind of the same as recording phone calls IN CASE you get a warrant for them and need to listen to them in the future...it's exactly like tapping everyone's phone...



2013-03-19 11:31 AM
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to me it is a question of consistancy. As long as they need a search warrent that is ok. We do not record every phone call in the US and store that, but we do store numbers called and duration of call (for a certain number of days anyway) and I think the text messaging can be the same. They can still get a warrent for the person's phone and pull data off of that or get a warrent for the phone of someone they communicated with with and pull messages off of that. I am ok with this but not the companies having to store all messages and the LEO just need to get a warrant to the phone company for any messages.

Granted I do not forsee myself doing anything that would require a warrant for my phone or records but you never know.

2013-03-19 11:43 AM
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bel83 - 2013-03-19 11:31 AM

to me it is a question of consistancy. As long as they need a search warrent that is ok. We do not record every phone call in the US and store that, but we do store numbers called and duration of call (for a certain number of days anyway) and I think the text messaging can be the same. They can still get a warrent for the person's phone and pull data off of that or get a warrent for the phone of someone they communicated with with and pull messages off of that. I am ok with this but not the companies having to store all messages and the LEO just need to get a warrant to the phone company for any messages.

Granted I do not forsee myself doing anything that would require a warrant for my phone or records but you never know.

Exactly right....a HUGE distinction.

2013-03-19 12:00 PM
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Jackemy1 - 2013-03-19 12:14 PM
jldicarlo - 2013-03-19 10:11 AM

Hmmm...I don't think that's right...that would be like tapping everyone's phone!  Not cool!

That being said...if you are dumb enough to incriminate yourself for a crime with a text message perhaps you deserve to get caught...

As I read it, authorities will still need a search warrant. I'm as much for right to privacy as the next guy but don't see how this violates the 4th.

 

but it's kind of the same as recording phone calls IN CASE you get a warrant for them and need to listen to them in the future...it's exactly like tapping everyone's phone...



There. You got it.

That there were texts sent is one thing, that's a standard log file beastie. The text of the -er- text should be the phone company's decision as to whether it wants to keep it or not. I'll bet most if not all choose not to keep them.

Shouldn't be the government's decision in any case.

2013-03-19 12:36 PM
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While I think this is silly, a text message is not speech, it is written text.  Is it different than email?  I'm not sure that texting is really any different than any other form of WRITTEN communication.  Why should it be treated differently?  
2013-03-19 12:41 PM
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DanielG - 2013-03-19 12:00 PM
mehaner - 2013-03-19 12:28 PM
Jackemy1 - 2013-03-19 12:14 PM
jldicarlo - 2013-03-19 10:11 AM

Hmmm...I don't think that's right...that would be like tapping everyone's phone!  Not cool!

That being said...if you are dumb enough to incriminate yourself for a crime with a text message perhaps you deserve to get caught...

As I read it, authorities will still need a search warrant. I'm as much for right to privacy as the next guy but don't see how this violates the 4th.

 

but it's kind of the same as recording phone calls IN CASE you get a warrant for them and need to listen to them in the future...it's exactly like tapping everyone's phone...

There. You got it. That there were texts sent is one thing, that's a standard log file beastie. The text of the -er- text should be the phone company's decision as to whether it wants to keep it or not. I'll bet most if not all choose not to keep them. Shouldn't be the government's decision in any case.

The bigger companies used to keep them as a matter of routine....until they found out we would subpeona them or get search warrants for them......they HATE dealing with search warrants and subpeonas (who doesn't?).....so they quit keeping them.



2013-03-19 5:15 PM
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mehaner - 2013-03-19 9:28 AM
Jackemy1 - 2013-03-19 12:14 PM
jldicarlo - 2013-03-19 10:11 AM

Hmmm...I don't think that's right...that would be like tapping everyone's phone!  Not cool!

That being said...if you are dumb enough to incriminate yourself for a crime with a text message perhaps you deserve to get caught...

As I read it, authorities will still need a search warrant. I'm as much for right to privacy as the next guy but don't see how this violates the 4th.

 

but it's kind of the same as recording phone calls IN CASE you get a warrant for them and need to listen to them in the future...it's exactly like tapping everyone's phone...

Harold has been doing that for a long time,,,,,, haven't you been watching Person of Interest?

2013-03-19 5:23 PM
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That would be wrong wrong wrong.  I'm huge against invasion of privacy.

Not to say they aren't somewhere in cyberspace, but I researched Sprint and they say in their contracts, they don't keep the TM body.  You can, by written request by someone on the account, or warrent, get the times and person a TM was sent/received, but not was was actually said. 

I THOUGHT there was some invasion of privacy case that caused that to happen.  I would have to refresh my memory of the Sprint service agreement.

We could all be like Paulie on Goodfellows and never use a phone to conduct "business". 

2013-03-19 6:19 PM
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I'd be happy with a database of times these silly devices are active.  Folks texting while driving?  Involved in a fatal accident/serious injury while texting?  The database would hopefully prove the case and send the offender to jail for life.  Just my 2 cents.

2013-03-19 6:54 PM
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I think the biggest objection I have is not the privacy issue--as others have pointed out they'd still need a warrant. My problem with it is the impact on the providers' infrastructure. The government going to buy the new servers to store all that carp? I can't see this happening.
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