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T in Liberty Lake - 2009-12-11 3:09 PM

I don't know what the CompuTrainer course shows but you will have a very hard time finding a real hill at mile 111.

Agreed. It is just a slight uphill trend at that point before turning around for the last mile back in to T2.  Most likely you will barely notice it.



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halfironmike - 2009-12-11 2:20 PM I finally finished one full loop of the bike course on the CompuTrainer.  It took me three different hour-long evening sessions with some pretty good intensity (130-150 heart rate).  I'm not sure exactly how the CT speed compares to riding the actual course, but it seems like I'll be slower than anticipated.  It's hard to stay motivated on the trainer, but still...those hills in the middle will eat into the overall time.  I think I'll just focus on heart rate and wattage (I'm averaging just under 200 watts) and try not to worry about mph.  It will be interesting to see how everything compares when riding the actual course.

I can say that it will be nice to have the (mostly) downhill 10-mile section at the end, but there is a short little incline on the last out-and-back loop right near the end that will be not be fun at mile 111.  Although, by that time, I think it will be a relief to know that we're just about a mile from the end!

The loop reminded me a lot of both the Oceanside and Lake Stevens 70.3 bike courses.  The elevation profile is similar to Oceanside; there are more inclines at CDA, but they're less intense.  The climbs max out at a little less than 11% grade. The scenery is similar to Lake Stevens, but there are more straightaways and flat sections at CDA.

It looks like a beautiful place to race!

To me the bike course is very much like Lake Stevens except twice as long, and the people don't try to run you off the road.

2009-12-11 9:39 PM
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Santa is bringing a computrainer i am looking forward to riding the course a few times before the race.

If things go right on Monday the fat guy is also bringing a new bike.
2009-12-15 2:34 PM
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Wow - tell Santa to swing by my place with those gifts as well - I'm just hoping for some new tires and smoothie powerbars.

Keep up the good work everyone - I'm getting pumped and were still 6 months out. This will be my second, and two of my brothers are doing it as well!!!
2009-12-15 7:01 PM
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I was going to buy tires. I can't ride outside until I do... but snow now. I am holding out for Santa now.

I hoped to ride outside at least once a month all year... looks a bit dicey suddenly!

2009-12-24 11:05 AM
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I blew off last nigths workout to set up the Computrainer that arrived yesterday. I was able to set it all up and ride 1 mile of the CDA course. This weekends trainer ride should be fun.


2009-12-24 1:17 PM
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Very nice, Eric.  For me, it's been pretty brutal trying to maintain race pace on that thing.  I can only stand for about an hour at a time.

I just recently received the IM Hawaii course, so I've switched over to riding that (in hour and half-hour long chunks).  I'm about half of the way back from Hawi and once I get through the Kona course, I'll switch back to focusing more on Coeur d'Alene.

I'm hoping to mix up the intensity during training rides so that I can last longer, but it's tough to back off when you can see your wattage, heart rate, mph and spin scan right in front of you.  It is all pretty cool, but it's tough.

I can definitely say it has paid off, though.  I'm usually a middle-of-the-pack rider, but on Saturday's Tri Club ride (~50-miler w/2,000 ft. of climbing), I was 3rd or 4th wheel the whole day - and pulled for a good 10-mile stretch late in the ride!  Some of my training buddies were remarking on how they've noticed the improvement in riding strength.  That was good to hear and especially encouraging as I had been beating myself up over what I felt were miserable performances on the trainer.  It's definitely harder than real world riding and you can make it as hard as you want.  I now know why they say an hour on the CompuTrainer is like 2 hours on the road.  There's no resting - even on the downhills.  I also purchased the downloadable book "Watts per Kilogram" to help figure out how to use it.  The book was only like 20 bucks and it really helped get me started.  Of course, the main thing is just to get on it and ride, focusing on improving your efficiency by keeping an eye on the spin scan feedback.

Congrats on your new toy...Enjoy!
2009-12-27 10:12 AM
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http://www.ironmancda.com/schedule.php

Im not sure if this is accurate but the schedule shows the start at 6am and ending at 11pm. I volunteered this past year and I thought it started at 7am... Anyone know? Not that it really matters since Im sure we wont be getting any sleep the night before anyway..
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triwebb82 - 2009-12-27 11:12 AM http://www.ironmancda.com/schedule.phpIm not sure if this is accurate but the schedule shows the start at 6am and ending at 11pm. I volunteered this past year and I thought it started at 7am... Anyone know? Not that it really matters since Im sure we wont be getting any sleep the night before anyway..

Wow- that is early.  But being from the east coast I will probably be up around 4am all ready to go!  I do know that it will be really light early in the morning out west.  Not sure what time sunrise is that time of the year but I'm assuming it would have to already be light by then in order to start the swim.
2009-12-27 4:36 PM
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got in that first computrainer ride on the course. I even saw the Porty Pottys at mile 20 so i stopped and took a break. rode another 8 miles and called it a day. 28 miles in 1:45 Its right where i wanted to be for now. My tire did slip on those 10% and 11% grade uphills and it sucked having to spin down those big downgrades but so far i am happy with how its going. I just need to remember to add some more pressure to avoid the slippage next time.
2009-12-27 5:11 PM
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I did half the IM CDA loop last year and one loop of the swim a day before the race.
Train on some real hills on the bike... it gets pretty hilly up around Hayden Lake.-and there are 2 loops of it. Mile 80 is a leg burner.


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halfironmike - 2009-12-24 1:17 PM

Very nice, Eric.  For me, it's been pretty brutal trying to maintain race pace on that thing.  I can only stand for about an hour at a time.


I live in Canada, so my run up to Silverman involved 5+ hour bike rides indoors. These rides are not for those who are easily bored. :-)

I did CDA last year as my first Ironman; however, I went down with severe hypothermia at mile 15/17? of the run. My experience on the bike was that taking the first loop a little easy is good advice. Compact gears will help a great deal (I didn't have these, though, but had a compact crank for Silverman Full). Watch out for the wind coming off the lake late in the day on the way back into town. It was only about 26km/h last year, but I've heard it can get up higher.

That last little loop is only a bit of a tease . I loved CDA and look forward to finishing this year.
2009-12-28 10:25 AM
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It looks like everything is taking place an hour sooner than it has in years past.  I do not know if this is a misprint or if they are trying to get more people to finish while it is still light out.  In past years my morning has started around 3:30 am in order to be fueled, drive to park, body marked, check on bike, drop off SN bags, wetsuit on, and ready for a 7am start.  A 6:00 am start will make this more difficult.

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Wow!  That is an hour earlier than before.  On the brighter sides, sunrise is scheduled for 4:52 AM, and sunset at 8:48 PM (+- a minute, Idaho local time).  So I guess there is a slightly better chance of running without glow sticks.
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Sure would be nice to finish in the daylight.

Jonas Grumby - 2009-12-28 1:34 PM Wow!  That is an hour earlier than before.  On the brighter sides, sunrise is scheduled for 4:52 AM, and sunset at 8:48 PM (+- a minute, Idaho local time).  So I guess there is a slightly better chance of running without glow sticks.
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How long are these evil hills you guys are talking about.  Is it like 1 mile of steep uphill, more like half a mile, but lots of them or are we talking death climb of 3+ miles at steepish grade?  Wince.


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Baowolf - 2010-01-04 12:29 PM How long are these evil hills you guys are talking about.  Is it like 1 mile of steep uphill, more like half a mile, but lots of them or are we talking death climb of 3+ miles at steepish grade?  Wince.


Yeah- I wanna know too.  Can someone tell us?  In case you're wondering, I'm more freaked out about the bike than I am with the swim.

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Baowolf - 2010-01-04 12:29 PM How long are these evil hills you guys are talking about.  Is it like 1 mile of steep uphill, more like half a mile, but lots of them or are we talking death climb of 3+ miles at steepish grade?  Wince.


Yeah- I wanna know too.  Can someone tell us?  In case you're wondering, I'm more freaked out about the bike than I am with the swim.

I did the 2008 IMCDA and my take on the bike is that there are many ups and downs, I don't know that there was a steep hill longer than maybe a 1/2 to 1/4 mile up.  The bike is no joke and pretty much what the race comes down to...  Runnergirl I would tell anyone to be waaaaay more worried about the bike than the swim, just my two cents, you swim for 1-1 1/2 hours but bike for 6-8 hours.....  The bike is very doable but just be sure to put the training time in on the bike.  Good Luck guys and gals, wife and I official start our training Feb 7th, but we are building back up right now...

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Does anybody have a break down of the bike course that has more fidelity to it than the IMCDA website? Like a Map my ride route or something like that?
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Selachophobia - 2010-01-04 12:58 PM

runnergirl - 2010-01-04 11:45 AM
Baowolf - 2010-01-04 12:29 PM How long are these evil hills you guys are talking about.  Is it like 1 mile of steep uphill, more like half a mile, but lots of them or are we talking death climb of 3+ miles at steepish grade?  Wince.


Yeah- I wanna know too.  Can someone tell us?  In case you're wondering, I'm more freaked out about the bike than I am with the swim.

I did the 2008 IMCDA and my take on the bike is that there are many ups and downs, I don't know that there was a steep hill longer than maybe a 1/2 to 1/4 mile up.  The bike is no joke and pretty much what the race comes down to...  Runnergirl I would tell anyone to be waaaaay more worried about the bike than the swim, just my two cents, you swim for 1-1 1/2 hours but bike for 6-8 hours.....  The bike is very doable but just be sure to put the training time in on the bike.  Good Luck guys and gals, wife and I official start our training Feb 7th, but we are building back up right now...


I am totally comfortable swimming and seem to do fairly decent with open water swims- even with mass starts.  The bike however, is extremely frightening just because it's hard to really know what "type" of hills we're talking about.  Are they short and steep?  Long and gradual?  Just wondering what the best way is to train for them, besides just ride a lot of hills.  I'm just wondering- do I need to hit up the NC mtns and do that "type" of riding?
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runnergirl - 2010-01-04 8:45 AM
Baowolf - 2010-01-04 12:29 PM How long are these evil hills you guys are talking about.  Is it like 1 mile of steep uphill, more like half a mile, but lots of them or are we talking death climb of 3+ miles at steepish grade?  Wince.


Yeah- I wanna know too.  Can someone tell us?  In case you're wondering, I'm more freaked out about the bike than I am with the swim.

This is part of what I posted back in 07 (with some edits) when they changed the bike course to it's current route.  I've ridden the course many times in training and raced on it in 2007 and 2009.  

The New IMCDA Hills

(I am calling a hill anything that I rode in the small chain ring for over 1 minute

The new course has around 18 hills per loop, but only 2 are really long.  The first really big hill is on English Point Road as you climb up to Lancaster Road.  This is a 6 minute hill but only the first 3 minutes are real bad.  The start of this hill is steep (2 minutes), then it becomes less steep (3 minutes), and finally it tilts up again but not as bad as the start (1 minute).  The second bad hill is on Hayden Lake Road, this is a 3 minute hill.  You start the hill coming out of a real nice downhill.  What makes this hill hard is the last minute is steeper than the first two minutes.  The remaining 16 hills are probable an even split between 1 minute and 2 minute hills. 

There are only two down hills that have bad turns at the bottom so for the most part you can maintain some of your downhill speed.  One of these downhill turns is very ugly, more technical than anything on the old course, at least one person will end there race on this corner.  It is on English Point Road, downhill curve, 180 degrees, decreasing radius, no banking.  Check this corner out carefully before the race and take it slow.

After riding it on race day... None of the hills are real heart thumpers, I was able to keep my HR under 155 on all the hills and averaged 133 for both loops.  However, this course will punish you on the run if you get stupid on the bike.



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runnergirl - 2010-01-04 12:25 PM
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runnergirl - 2010-01-04 11:45 AM
Baowolf - 2010-01-04 12:29 PM How long are these evil hills you guys are talking about.  Is it like 1 mile of steep uphill, more like half a mile, but lots of them or are we talking death climb of 3+ miles at steepish grade?  Wince.


Yeah- I wanna know too.  Can someone tell us?  In case you're wondering, I'm more freaked out about the bike than I am with the swim.

I did the 2008 IMCDA and my take on the bike is that there are many ups and downs, I don't know that there was a steep hill longer than maybe a 1/2 to 1/4 mile up.  The bike is no joke and pretty much what the race comes down to...  Runnergirl I would tell anyone to be waaaaay more worried about the bike than the swim, just my two cents, you swim for 1-1 1/2 hours but bike for 6-8 hours.....  The bike is very doable but just be sure to put the training time in on the bike.  Good Luck guys and gals, wife and I official start our training Feb 7th, but we are building back up right now...


I am totally comfortable swimming and seem to do fairly decent with open water swims- even with mass starts.  The bike however, is extremely frightening just because it's hard to really know what "type" of hills we're talking about.  Are they short and steep?  Long and gradual?  Just wondering what the best way is to train for them, besides just ride a lot of hills.  I'm just wondering- do I need to hit up the NC mtns and do that "type" of riding?

Here is a link to compare bike courses of some other IM races if you have done any of these:

http://www.ironmanusa.com/compare/comparebike.php

Also here is the elevation stuff at IMCDA bike:

 





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spigreed - 2010-01-04 9:22 AM Does anybody have a break down of the bike course that has more fidelity to it than the IMCDA website? Like a Map my ride route or something like that?

http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-states/id/coeur-d-alene/465449728

ETA: I question the elevation chart on the above site.  I know of one short hill that has a road sign that says 6% grade but the chart does not show anything above 3%.



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T in Liberty Lake - 2010-01-04 12:34 PM

spigreed - 2010-01-04 9:22 AM Does anybody have a break down of the bike course that has more fidelity to it than the IMCDA website? Like a Map my ride route or something like that?

http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-states/id/coeur-d-alene/465449728

ETA: I question the elevation chart on the above site.  I know of one short hill that has a road sign that says 6% grade but the chart does not show anything above 3%.

Your link is pretty sweet, I believe the 180 degree cutback is right before mile 23, I was looking at that in Google Earth 3D....VERY COOL!  Brings back a lot of memories.....

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T in Liberty Lake - 2010-01-04 1:27 PM

runnergirl - 2010-01-04 8:45 AM
Baowolf - 2010-01-04 12:29 PM How long are these evil hills you guys are talking about.  Is it like 1 mile of steep uphill, more like half a mile, but lots of them or are we talking death climb of 3+ miles at steepish grade?  Wince.


Yeah- I wanna know too.  Can someone tell us?  In case you're wondering, I'm more freaked out about the bike than I am with the swim.

This is part of what I posted back in 07 (with some edits) when they changed the bike course to it's current route.  I've ridden the course many times in training and raced on it in 2007 and 2009.  

The New IMCDA Hills

(I am calling a hill anything that I rode in the small chain ring for over 1 minute

The new course has around 18 hills per loop, but only 2 are really long.  The first really big hill is on English Point Road as you climb up to Lancaster Road.  This is a 6 minute hill but only the first 3 minutes are real bad.  The start of this hill is steep (2 minutes), then it becomes less steep (3 minutes), and finally it tilts up again but not as bad as the start (1 minute).  The second bad hill is on Hayden Lake Road, this is a 3 minute hill.  You start the hill coming out of a real nice downhill.  What makes this hill hard is the last minute is steeper than the first two minutes.  The remaining 16 hills are probable an even split between 1 minute and 2 minute hills. 

There are only two down hills that have bad turns at the bottom so for the most part you can maintain some of your downhill speed.  One of these downhill turns is very ugly, more technical than anything on the old course, at least one person will end there race on this corner.  It is on English Point Road, downhill curve, 180 degrees, decreasing radius, no banking.  Check this corner out carefully before the race and take it slow.

After riding it on race day... None of the hills are real heart thumpers, I was able to keep my HR under 155 on all the hills and averaged 133 for both loops.  However, this course will punish you on the run if you get stupid on the bike.

I'm nautious.  WTH am I doing?

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