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2013-06-03 9:46 PM
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Got a jogo in even though I had an appointment and didn't get home until 7:30. 3 miles of run/walking to stretch my legs out and get some fresh air. It was a beautiful night here light breeze, probably about 72F, fluffy clouds. Feels great after the last 4 days of sudden heat.


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"Long" run tonight. It was lovely, after the first 20 minutes or so. Man, I hate that first part of a run. I wanted to stay in town, so I ran eight different streets. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy greeting my neighbors and looking at their houses, but I sure wish I had some better sights to see sometimes -- like a nice long, quiet trail. My husband called me while I was running. He's in Chicago. He said, "Don't you wish you were running on the Lake Shore Trail instead?" I sure did!!!
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Originally posted by QueenZipp JoGo completed for the day  a short run at lunch and a good strength session this evening.  Was going to swim but it looked like storms would blow through and I would be kicked out of the pool---then it never stormed.

I forgot about my scheduled swim today -- it was cold (low 60s) and windy, so I think I blocked it out of my mind. I remembered at about 3 pm that I had wanted to swim at noon. Oh, well.

2013-06-03 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by StaceyK Great job to the racing Manatees this weekend (I know the weekend is over but yesterday was a holiday here so its only just done for me)! I've been reading some running stuff and I now need some advice as to whether I am in the realm of possibility or not with a goal I have. So my goal is to run the HM at the Perth city2surf at the end of August (12weeks away). I have the Hal Higdon beginner HM 12 week plan which has 3 run days a week. The thing that has got me questioning it is that the weekly mileage seems to increase very quickly. Also, and this is probably the biggest thing, the 4k run that I did last weekend is the longest run that I have ever done. I don't have a very strong running base and my training has been a bit haphazard so i am already struggling to do the distances that are on the plan. I know that the Manatee motto is JUST DO EEEET, but is this the best option or should I work on the running base and do the 10km instead? Should I be running shorter distances and running more often? Am I just over thinking this and need to just HTFU and do it? I want to do this event but I want to do it properly and enjoy it not suffer my way through it and I also want to run it not ran/walk it.

I am a believer in more frequency, less distance, especially while building a base. In other words, I think it's best to run 6 or even 7 days a week, even if some of those runs are 15-20 minutes (or even less if that's where you are) than to pile weekly mileage into three runs a week. 10k is a great distance and is not a cake walk. I think you would enjoy it more and be at lesser risk for injury by aiming for that distance rather than the 13.1. There's always time to do the 13.1 later.

ETA: I was just looking for a good link to the Barry P 3-2-1 running plan, but I can't find one quickly. Maybe someone else has it bookmarked.

Anyway, the short of it is that you take your weekly mileage, whatever you are currently doing, let's say 15k, and you divide that into six runs, three short (1.5k each),  two medium (3k each), and one long (4.5k).  Then the next week, you increase the total weekly mileage by no more than 10 percent. When I did this (and I still do a modified version of it), I added mileage to the short runs before bumping up the long run. I don't remember how old you are, but I am a little older than most of you, so I don't do a steady build each week. I build for a couple weeks, and then step back a couple, then build back up a little more, then step back. I have successfully (knock on wood) avoided injury for over a year, and really any major soreness. Anymore, I get sore only sometimes after running (or biking) hills.

I hope this helps.



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2013-06-03 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by StaceyKGreat job to the racing Manatees this weekend (I know the weekend is over but yesterday was a holiday here so its only just done for me)!I've been reading some running stuff and I now need some advice as to whether I am in the realm of possibility or not with a goal I have. So my goal is to run the HM at the Perth city2surf at the end of August (12weeks away). I have the Hal Higdon beginner HM 12 week plan which has 3 run days a week. The thing that has got me questioning it is that the weekly mileage seems to increase very quickly.Also, and this is probably the biggest thing, the 4k run that I did last weekend is the longest run that I have ever done. I don't have a very strong running base and my training has been a bit haphazard so i am already struggling to do the distances that are on the plan.I know that the Manatee motto is JUST DO EEEET, but is this the best option or should I work on the running base and do the 10km instead? Should I be running shorter distances and running more often? Am I just over thinking this and need to just HTFU and do it? I want to do this event but I want to do it properly and enjoy it not suffer my way through it and I also want to run it not ran/walk it.
I'm certainly no running expert... or biking or swimming for that matter... but I agree with TJ and Judi. Since you have running AND enjoying it as a goal, I'd say give yourself more time to build up to that. I know my first HM time would have benefited from more training ( I had about 3 months). I " ran" it in 2:30+.
2013-06-03 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by Asalzwed

I'm already thinking of marathon training and have been mulling over a lot of stuff.

I was going to write a really lengthy post in TT asking about different kinds of long runs and the specific training stimulus they have and which "type" of run would be better (I was weighing the structure of a weekend doing a long tempo/flo workout on Saturday followed by a true long run on Sunday VS putting in some solid miles and THEN doing the long tempo/flo on Saturday, making that the long run, with a fast finish and then doing a solid 10-miler or something on Sunday.)

But then it came to me, I will just do a variety of these types of runs throughout the entire training cycle (depending on the stimulus I am looking for that particular week.

It's becoming more and more clear to me that there isn't a lot of necessity to keep things exactly the same week after week (except for convenience, which can't totally be discounted) and if I am doing it in all my other workouts, why not the long run as well?

 

Anyway, I'm just talking to myself more than anything, but I figure someone, somewhere might benefit from hearing these thoughts.

I was reading something by John Bingham recently, and he maps out 10 day (I think) training cycles, which I thought was really interesting.  So same sort of thought, not exactly the same each Tuesday (or whatever) week after week.  This was for a beginner runner, but I just thought it kinda related to what you were talking about.



2013-06-03 10:14 PM
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Oh so behind on the manatee banter....Congrats to all the racers.  I like the burger holder, but that dude kinda icks me out...

I got my jogo in today with a swim, biking to work, and some strengthening exercises. 

2013-06-03 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by StaceyK Great job to the racing Manatees this weekend (I know the weekend is over but yesterday was a holiday here so its only just done for me)! I've been reading some running stuff and I now need some advice as to whether I am in the realm of possibility or not with a goal I have. So my goal is to run the HM at the Perth city2surf at the end of August (12weeks away). I have the Hal Higdon beginner HM 12 week plan which has 3 run days a week. The thing that has got me questioning it is that the weekly mileage seems to increase very quickly. Also, and this is probably the biggest thing, the 4k run that I did last weekend is the longest run that I have ever done. I don't have a very strong running base and my training has been a bit haphazard so i am already struggling to do the distances that are on the plan. I know that the Manatee motto is JUST DO EEEET, but is this the best option or should I work on the running base and do the 10km instead? Should I be running shorter distances and running more often? Am I just over thinking this and need to just HTFU and do it? I want to do this event but I want to do it properly and enjoy it not suffer my way through it and I also want to run it not ran/walk it.

With only a little running experience, I think you'd be better off going for the 10k and learning how really work a running program without the stress of such a big distance increase for the race selected. A lot of people do go for it in situations similar to yours and get through it, and a lot of people have not. Even with those that do, a number may like the feeling having done it afterward, but burn themselves out. It seems like you want to keep on doing things after this event (whereas for some it's a one-off), so take the time to learn how to run a bunch and how to make a run program work so that it's productive for you. Learn how to take a race instead of just make it. Should be a lot more fun along the way then too. If you check around, everyone will have some race (or races) that seem special and they really want to do. They're right that it is special to them, but it won't be the only special one. There will be lots of them. The feeling can change day to day as well. Can't tell you how often I rethink my schedule for every season.

2013-06-03 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by kgore

Okay, I kinda slacked on my reporting: On Saturday, my Jogo was a 45 minute swim at the gym (stupid boat stuff at the lake--BOO!), On Sunday, I needed a kind of 'break'--I did a 30 minute walk. Today, I did some Body Combat dvd-ing for 50 minutes.

Tomorrow I plan to hit the bike trail. And then, this Friday, I don the Frog suit again for the Dream Night event at work--special kids all around, and I hang with them for the whole 5 hour event....too bad temps are forecast to be 105 degrees that day! Sealed

My pod news reading is so limited this week, I forgot to tell you what a hearty chuckle your jogo in a frog suit gave me. And you're doing it again. hahaha!!!! :D.
2013-06-03 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by Asalzwed

I'm already thinking of marathon training and have been mulling over a lot of stuff.

I was going to write a really lengthy post in TT asking about different kinds of long runs and the specific training stimulus they have and which "type" of run would be better (I was weighing the structure of a weekend doing a long tempo/flo workout on Saturday followed by a true long run on Sunday VS putting in some solid miles and THEN doing the long tempo/flo on Saturday, making that the long run, with a fast finish and then doing a solid 10-miler or something on Sunday.)

But then it came to me, I will just do a variety of these types of runs throughout the entire training cycle (depending on the stimulus I am looking for that particular week.

It's becoming more and more clear to me that there isn't a lot of necessity to keep things exactly the same week after week (except for convenience, which can't totally be discounted) and if I am doing it in all my other workouts, why not the long run as well?

 

Anyway, I'm just talking to myself more than anything, but I figure someone, somewhere might benefit from hearing these thoughts.

I was reading something by John Bingham recently, and he maps out 10 day (I think) training cycles, which I thought was really interesting.  So same sort of thought, not exactly the same each Tuesday (or whatever) week after week.  This was for a beginner runner, but I just thought it kinda related to what you were talking about.

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Originally posted by Asalzwed

I'm already thinking of marathon training and have been mulling over a lot of stuff.

I was going to write a really lengthy post in TT asking about different kinds of long runs and the specific training stimulus they have and which "type" of run would be better (I was weighing the structure of a weekend doing a long tempo/flo workout on Saturday followed by a true long run on Sunday VS putting in some solid miles and THEN doing the long tempo/flo on Saturday, making that the long run, with a fast finish and then doing a solid 10-miler or something on Sunday.)

But then it came to me, I will just do a variety of these types of runs throughout the entire training cycle (depending on the stimulus I am looking for that particular week.

It's becoming more and more clear to me that there isn't a lot of necessity to keep things exactly the same week after week (except for convenience, which can't totally be discounted) and if I am doing it in all my other workouts, why not the long run as well?

 

Anyway, I'm just talking to myself more than anything, but I figure someone, somewhere might benefit from hearing these thoughts.

I was reading something by John Bingham recently, and he maps out 10 day (I think) training cycles, which I thought was really interesting.  So same sort of thought, not exactly the same each Tuesday (or whatever) week after week.  This was for a beginner runner, but I just thought it kinda related to what you were talking about.

My buddy Macca works on a 10 day cycle.



2013-06-03 10:25 PM
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Oh so behind on the manatee banter....Congrats to all the racers.  I like the burger holder, but that dude kinda icks me out...

I got my jogo in today with a swim, biking to work, and some strengthening exercises. 

Just quietly I prefer Skrat in his cycling gear!

2013-06-03 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by KansasMom "Long" run tonight. It was lovely, after the first 20 minutes or so. Man, I hate that first part of a run. I wanted to stay in town, so I ran eight different streets. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy greeting my neighbors and looking at their houses, but I sure wish I had some better sights to see sometimes -- like a nice long, quiet trail. My husband called me while I was running. He's in Chicago. He said, "Don't you wish you were running on the Lake Shore Trail instead?" I sure did!!!

Agreed first 20mins or 3km is just awful.  Then I get into my stride and start enjoying myself.

2013-06-03 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by bcraht 

I was reading something by John Bingham recently, and he maps out 10 day (I think) training cycles, which I thought was really interesting.  So same sort of thought, not exactly the same each Tuesday (or whatever) week after week.  This was for a beginner runner, but I just thought it kinda related to what you were talking about.

My buddy Macca works on a 10 day cycle.

I've seen this too. But it's usually hard for people with other full-time jobs being on a 7 day cycle. Be interesting to see how it's done with that going on.

2013-06-03 10:34 PM
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I saw this and thought of Yanti!

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57587125-71/the-technical-joy-of-burger-kings-hands-free-whopper-holder -- think of the on bike nutrition possibilities!

OMG. My race mantra all in one. PIGLET BURGER PIGLET BURGER ...

I love him. I love it. I love you.

2013-06-03 10:35 PM
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Is there a 'rule' as to when you should get new tires for your bike??  I had another flat (piece of glass) on my rear tire.  That makes 6 I think, over 2 seasons, always the rear.  Sigh.  But I noticed that I have some pretty good 'gashes' in my tire--like they spread apart when my tires are up to pressure.  So I am assuming I need new tires, but wonder if there are guidelines as to when that should happen in general (like shoes every x-ish miles?). 


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I'll get a race report up tomorrow.  The race results were posted today.

The bike was about as good as I could have expected (a bit windy out).  The run was about 24 minutes, and pretty much to be expected after not running much (although my knee hurt afterwards, which is worrisome).  The swim is where I did the worst.  After hitting the first buoy, I had to tread water to calm anxiety.  I followed that up with some backstroke before finishing in freestyle.  The fact that I finished the 400y in 8 min leads me to think that I must have gone out super fast, even though it didn't seem like that (of course I seriously just need to get used to OWS).

I also had a T1 that was mega slow, but that's a story for the race report.

On a side note, I found out that my team gets huge discounts on xterra wetsuits.  Big plus.

Tomorrow will be the first masters swim in the outdoor 50m pool.  It's the only 50m pool in town, and the only heated 50m pool in town (say what?).  The long course will definitely help with prepping for more OWS.

2013-06-03 11:03 PM
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Ok, I have decided I need to work on speeding up on my runs. So far, for a year, I have pretty much just gone out and run... slowly. No plan (let the pod eye rolling commence). No real goal, except get back home or not fall of the treadmill. I need to change that. Jogo tonight was 1:4 run/walk on the 4.6mi loop. Did it in 57:41. Looked at my min by min and was happy to see that my fastest run minute was at 51. I'm going to do this for the week and then fully run it on Sat or Sun. Not expecting to see a difference, but curious how it feels. I'll do some research when I get home next week for which plan I want to use.
2013-06-04 6:56 AM
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Originally posted by bcraht Is there a 'rule' as to when you should get new tires for your bike??  I had another flat (piece of glass) on my rear tire.  That makes 6 I think, over 2 seasons, always the rear.  Sigh.  But I noticed that I have some pretty good 'gashes' in my tire--like they spread apart when my tires are up to pressure.  So I am assuming I need new tires, but wonder if there are guidelines as to when that should happen in general (like shoes every x-ish miles?). 

The rate of tire wear depends a lot on the tire itself and the conditions it's used in. Lousy roads are likely to eat at it a bit more. Race tires are likely to wear out sooner. A LOT sooner for the fastest ones, as in only a few hundred miles. Vs a few thousand for others. So that's not necessarily terribly helpful, but does show to learn what to look for to indicate it's worn down.

Many but the fastest tires will have some type of protective layer on the inside. I'll check there to see if it's intact. It'd only be a small cut or poke hole through. The outside rubber doesn't do as much as this layer, which varies by the tire and is a big difference in why some tires are faster than others. More protection generally means it's slower as it'll be harder to bend.

If a tire is developing a flat band around it due to wear, then it might need replacing. If it's a two tone tire, then generally I don't think the flat spot should reach the side coloring. Some tires may have wear indicators to help with that. Usually this looks like a small air bubble was in the material when the tire was made. If it's very smooth and round looking, that's likely it. If it's rough, it's likely a cut or gash. I've also replaced when too many cuts and gashes show up. Even without seeing anything on the protective layer inside, I might have missed it. Peace of mind.

If what you're seeing is visibly spreading apart when inflating the tire, then it's probably a good idea to replace.

2013-06-04 8:42 AM
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Originally posted by bcraht Is there a 'rule' as to when you should get new tires for your bike??  I had another flat (piece of glass) on my rear tire.  That makes 6 I think, over 2 seasons, always the rear.  Sigh.  But I noticed that I have some pretty good 'gashes' in my tire--like they spread apart when my tires are up to pressure.  So I am assuming I need new tires, but wonder if there are guidelines as to when that should happen in general (like shoes every x-ish miles?). 

Do your tires have wear indicators in them?  My Conti 4000S has the dimple and it works like the wear bar on your car tires -- when you can no longer see the dimple, it's time. 

A lot of people rotate their front and rear tires because rear tires get a lot more wear.

 

Continental 4000S GP wear indicator

Note wear indicators in above photo.

2013-06-04 8:47 AM
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Yanti, yesterday I tried to buy cherry PopTarts but Target didn't have any!!  Worst day ever! Also, since hanging out with you, I now prefer cherry PopTarts.  What up with that?

Managed to get my jogo in yesterday.  That puts me at 8/8.  I'm hoping I can go for a bike ride with the small one today.  The rest of her trailer parts are supposed to arrive in the mail.  If not, we'll go for a run tonight and ride tomorrow.



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Originally posted by bcraht 

I was reading something by John Bingham recently, and he maps out 10 day (I think) training cycles, which I thought was really interesting.  So same sort of thought, not exactly the same each Tuesday (or whatever) week after week.  This was for a beginner runner, but I just thought it kinda related to what you were talking about.

My buddy Macca works on a 10 day cycle.

I've seen this too. But it's usually hard for people with other full-time jobs being on a 7 day cycle. Be interesting to see how it's done with that going on.

Yeah, a 10-day would never really work for me for that reason. Also, due to this concept most things are structured around the 7 day schedule (like our 2 team practices each week) so, trying to work outside of the typical 7 days would prove to be difficult.

If I had unlimited resources and/or was a professional athlete, I'd give it a shot though Smile

2013-06-04 11:44 AM
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I'm still having trouble with this new website, can't figure out how to bulk upload activities to training log
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Originally posted by JJ- I'm still having trouble with this new website, can't figure out how to bulk upload activities to training log

To upload multiple workouts:

Training Log > Add Today's Workout > Upload

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Originally posted by JJ- I'm still having trouble with this new website, can't figure out how to bulk upload activities to training log

To upload multiple workouts:

Training Log > Add Today's Workout > Upload




Well that was easy, thanks!
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