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 2013-06-05 8:01 PM in reply to: 0 |
Veteran  2441    Western Australia |  Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)Originally posted by KansasMom Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by KansasMom Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by KansasMom Originally posted by Asalzwed No...I don't disagree. I think if you do a little shorter version, as you defined above and take the WU and CD seriously, it's alright. Do you know what your threshold pace is? (85% V02 max) Why I am asking is because you don't want to do that tempo too fast. For me, a 10K pace would be on the fast end for a tempo run.
Also, Felicia, how many MPW are you @ typically? I don't know any of my zones or VO2 stuff. You know it's impossible for me to run "fast," right? When I've done it before, after warming up, I do one mile at 10 mpm, and then aim for 9:30 mpm in the second mile. That's it. All I have is my Ironman watch (thank you, TJ), so I'm not keeping a constant eye on it while I'm running. Typically 20-25 miles per week, sometimes up toward 30, but usually right around 25. I'm aiming for 80-100 mpw this summer. 100 is proving to be tough to get to for me this summer if I taper before my races (which is what happened in May). I should say that I also don't do this "tempo" run even every week, maybe every two or three weeks. I just feel like I need to try to hit that 9:30/mile pace every once in a while so I know what it feels like. If I don't do it sometimes in training, how could I hope to hit it in a race. Which is why I was really interested in what you said about Hanson's method -- all of that tempo work seems like a good idea to me. Fast is a term, in this case, relative to you.
Now, I am a huuuuge fan of big miles and think everyone should do them, if they can. But it needs to be done slowly, over time. Ramping up to 100 MPW from that quickly 30 is not advisable! Holy sh*t. You are talking miles, right?????? What is the most MPW you have run, over a period of time? EX: 70 MPW over the course of 8 weeks, stepping back to 60 1 of those weeks.
*And just FYI, I hit paces in races that I don't ever hit in training OMG. I meant 100 per month. Cr@p. That would be insane. Sorry about that. No. I think I've topped out at 30 mpw. I'm actually pretty happy there. I think it was November or December last year where I hit 117 for the month. With all my big talk and dream of running ultra races, realistically, it ain't gonna happen. I don't even see a marathon in my future. Ever. I'm okay with that. Okay. Maybe not so okay. There is this trail marathon that I really, really, really want to do. From what I can tell, running that marathon is the only way to get to some of those trails because they are closed, and there are some cool canyons and petroglyphs. But realistically. No marathons. Phhheewwww. Yeah, I was feeling as though I perhaps failed you all with any running advice I have given in the past if there was something that made you think jumping to 100 MPW was a good idea Sorry for the public berating, now, did you get the answers to your questions? Speaking of marathons ... do you want to know how to get that faster 10K? Train for a marathon LOL Great. Train for it, and not run it. But I see the logic. Run lots. Mostly easy. Sometimes hard. Yes. I got my questions answered, but I think I hijacked someone's post to do it. Stacey's, I think??? I did such a good job taking it over, that I don't even remember who asked the original question. Shame on me. Hey it's all cool because I got my question answered a few pages back and it's been a very interesting discussion to read. As a result of the great Manatee advice I have adjusted my planned race back to the 12km. I have started a more conservative training plan which I feel much more comfortable with using the 3-2-1 concept that someone mentioned. It felt good to run today knowing that I could manage the distance that I needed to do and wasn't under mining the plan by having to bail before I could finish it. So thanks everyone for the great advice. Edited by StaceyK 2013-06-05 8:01 PM |
| 2013-06-05 8:01 PM in reply to: melbo55 |
Master 7712  Orlando | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by melbo55 I'm jealous.Originally posted by StaceyK Originally posted by KansasMom Man come and visit me. Within a 1/3 mile from my front door and you have either gained 50' or lost 100'. The one "flat" piece of road is 1 mile long and has an elevation gain of 10'. When I first started riding my bike I would ride to this road and then go back and forth along it for like 20 minutes and then ride home. I got some weird looks. Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by KansasMom Yeah, come to Florida I'll show you some of those runs! Originally posted by brigby1 Umm, well . . . Actually, I had the elevation tool activated on mapmyfitness the other night, and on my 9.5 mile run through town, I think I did gain 50 feet in there somehow.The slight incline has helped a little for treadmill running, but still not quite the same. I tend to look more at what I want to get out of the workout as opposed to exactly matching this theoretical road. What roads are people running on that are perfectly flat all the way through anyway? I was probably exaggerating about the 50feet gain. I just ran almost five, and I checked the elevation gain --- 7 feet. No wonder I suck at hills. I guess I'm lucky where I'm located. Depending how you feel on a given day you can go very hilly or more rolling hilly. There are a few flat-ish areas like the rail trails (trains don't like steep grades, go figure), but mostly constant elevation changes. I like that, it keeps rides and runs interesting. |
| 2013-06-05 8:08 PM in reply to: 0 |
Veteran 2441 Western Australia | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by jobaxas So I am at the airport waiting to fly to cairns so I grab a coffee and coincidentally strike up a conversation with two triathletes heading up to do ironman. They are from Singapore. They have no one supporting here so I am now their cheer squad! Of course I offered my wetsuit stripping help in T1... And we exchanged phone numbers. I love this sport! Enjoy Cairns Jo. I am so jealous and its not just the trip. I am so sick of being cold already and winter hasn't really even started. It got down to 1 (34*F) here the other morning and a top of just 16 (60*F). It wouldn't be so bad if our house was built to hold heat but it isn't, its built to handle the consecutive strings of 100+ in the summer so its very difficult to get it warm. Edited by StaceyK 2013-06-05 8:08 PM |
| 2013-06-05 8:18 PM in reply to: StaceyK |
Royal(PITA) 14270 West Chester, Ohio | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by StaceyK Originally posted by jobaxas So I am at the airport waiting to fly to cairns so I grab a coffee and coincidentally strike up a conversation with two triathletes heading up to do ironman. They are from Singapore. They have no one supporting here so I am now their cheer squad! Of course I offered my wetsuit stripping help in T1... And we exchanged phone numbers. I love this sport! Enjoy Cairns Jo. I am so jealous and its not just the trip. I am so sick of being cold already and winter hasn't really even started. It got down to 1 (34*F) here the other morning and a top of just 16 (60*F). It wouldn't be so bad if our house was built to hold heat but it isn't, its built to handle the consecutive strings of 100+ in the summer so its very difficult to get it warm. Super Stalker!!! Love it! |
| 2013-06-05 8:21 PM in reply to: jobaxas |
Master 3870 | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by jobaxas oh, Jo....I have to hold onto every positive I can on the run. Every tiny increment. Every miniscule victory. I would be a puddle of disappointment if I didn't. :POriginally posted by 4agoodlife Holy smoke!!! That was the latest bit of training I've done in years. Didn't start my jogo until 9:20. eeek. Had to cut it short and only did 3.25mi, going up the main road and back. I felt good keeping to my 1:4 plan. Hit my run minute three times going up some good hills, twice on fairly flats and twice downhill...oh boy! Best part? I felt like a speedy manatee for 7/36ths of my run :D I love that you calculated that! |
| 2013-06-05 8:23 PM in reply to: 4agoodlife |
Science Nerd 28760 Redwood City, California | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) My jogo tonight: 30 minutes on the bike towing E! I feel like it should count double. The calorie counter in my long definitely does not take into consideration how much work I did! Also, Strava says I climbed 117 feet. It felt like sooooo much more! E loved it though. She was great about wearing her helmet. If this doesn't make me a stronger rider, nothing will.
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| 2013-06-05 8:25 PM in reply to: QueenZipp |
New user 84 | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Hi Manatees! Thanks to all of you who have checked in on me over the last few weeks. I really appreciate it! I had actually PM'd Yanti after the first few days of the group and asked to leave. I was completely overwhelmed with the coolness of the cool kids & really felt like too much of a newbie to keep up, let alone contribute. But, I see once a Manatee always a Manatee  Again thanks for all the inspires & such. I've been stalking the group & will continue to do so  |
| 2013-06-05 8:31 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Master 1890 Gig Harbor | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by KansasMom Originally posted by Asalzwed No...I don't disagree. I think if you do a little shorter version, as you defined above and take the WU and CD seriously, it's alright. Do you know what your threshold pace is? (85% V02 max) Why I am asking is because you don't want to do that tempo too fast. For me, a 10K pace would be on the fast end for a tempo run.
Also, Felicia, how many MPW are you @ typically? I don't know any of my zones or VO2 stuff. You know it's impossible for me to run "fast," right? When I've done it before, after warming up, I do one mile at 10 mpm, and then aim for 9:30 mpm in the second mile. That's it. All I have is my Ironman watch (thank you, TJ), so I'm not keeping a constant eye on it while I'm running. Typically 20-25 miles per week, sometimes up toward 30, but usually right around 25. I'm aiming for 80-100 mpw this summer. 100 is proving to be tough to get to for me this summer if I taper before my races (which is what happened in May). I should say that I also don't do this "tempo" run even every week, maybe every two or three weeks. I just feel like I need to try to hit that 9:30/mile pace every once in a while so I know what it feels like. If I don't do it sometimes in training, how could I hope to hit it in a race. Which is why I was really interested in what you said about Hanson's method -- all of that tempo work seems like a good idea to me. Fast is a term, in this case, relative to you.
Now, I am a huuuuge fan of big miles and think everyone should do them, if they can. But it needs to be done slowly, over time. Ramping up to 100 MPW from that quickly 30 is not advisable! Holy sh*t. You are talking miles, right?????? What is the most MPW you have run, over a period of time? EX: 70 MPW over the course of 8 weeks, stepping back to 60 1 of those weeks.
*And just FYI, I hit paces in races that I don't ever hit in training X2 |
| 2013-06-05 8:33 PM in reply to: KansasMom |
Master 1890 Gig Harbor | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by KansasMom Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by KansasMom Yeah, come to Florida I'll show you some of those runs! Originally posted by brigby1 Umm, well . . . Actually, I had the elevation tool activated on mapmyfitness the other night, and on my 9.5 mile run through town, I think I did gain 50 feet in there somehow.The slight incline has helped a little for treadmill running, but still not quite the same. I tend to look more at what I want to get out of the workout as opposed to exactly matching this theoretical road. What roads are people running on that are perfectly flat all the way through anyway? I was probably exaggerating about the 50feet gain. I just ran almost five, and I checked the elevation gain --- 7 feet. No wonder I suck at hills. Come run with me - you will get much better at hills real fast. I don't think there is a 200 yard stretch without some sort of elevation gain and loss within 10 miles of my house. |
| 2013-06-05 8:36 PM in reply to: jobaxas |
Master 1890 Gig Harbor | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by jobaxas Originally posted by Muskrat37 I just can't say anything clean here! Fachmie!! Originally posted by jobaxas Originally posted by bcraht Oh so behind on the manatee banter....Congrats to all the racers. I like the burger holder, but that dude kinda icks me out... I got my jogo in today with a swim, biking to work, and some strengthening exercises. Just quietly I prefer Skrat in his cycling gear! What if I had a whopper holder too! LMFAO. Fachmie, it's Whopper time!! I need to know where to get one of those whopper holders. Me, my camera, bike and a whopper holder... lot's and lot's of fun pics! |
| 2013-06-05 8:36 PM in reply to: Artemis |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by Artemis Now that's a great picture!My jogo tonight: 30 minutes on the bike towing E! I feel like it should count double. The calorie counter in my long definitely does not take into consideration how much work I did! Also, Strava says I climbed 117 feet. It felt like sooooo much more! E loved it though. She was great about wearing her helmet. If this doesn't make me a stronger rider, nothing will.
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| 2013-06-05 8:37 PM in reply to: 0 |
Master 1890 Gig Harbor | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by jobaxas So I am at the airport waiting to fly to cairns so I grab a coffee and coincidentally strike up a conversation with two triathletes heading up to do ironman. They are from Singapore. They have no one supporting here so I am now their cheer squad! Of course I offered my wetsuit stripping help in T1... And we exchanged phone numbers. I love this sport! You are the best. The only chick I know that can meet two strangers in an airport, and within minutes convince them to let you strip them. Edited by Muskrat37 2013-06-05 8:38 PM |
| 2013-06-05 8:38 PM in reply to: iamDawnAnderson |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by iamDawnAndersonHi Manatees! Thanks to all of you who have checked in on me over the last few weeks. I really appreciate it! I had actually PM'd Yanti after the first few days of the group and asked to leave. I was completely overwhelmed with the coolness of the cool kids & really felt like too much of a newbie to keep up, let alone contribute. But, I see once a Manatee always a Manatee You can check out any time you want, but you can never leave. Again thanks for all the inspires & such. I've been stalking the group & will continue to do so |
| 2013-06-05 8:41 PM in reply to: Artemis |
Master 1890 Gig Harbor | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by Artemis My jogo tonight: 30 minutes on the bike towing E! I feel like it should count double. The calorie counter in my long definitely does not take into consideration how much work I did! Also, Strava says I climbed 117 feet. It felt like sooooo much more! E loved it though. She was great about wearing her helmet. If this doesn't make me a stronger rider, nothing will.
This is such a cool pic! |
| 2013-06-05 8:43 PM in reply to: amd723 |
Master 6834 Englewood, Florida | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by iamDawnAndersonHi Manatees! Thanks to all of you who have checked in on me over the last few weeks. I really appreciate it! I had actually PM'd Yanti after the first few days of the group and asked to leave. I was completely overwhelmed with the coolness of the cool kids & really felt like too much of a newbie to keep up, let alone contribute. But, I see once a Manatee always a Manatee You can check out any time you want, but you can never leave. Again thanks for all the inspires & such. I've been stalking the group & will continue to do so Dawn, the cool ones aren't really that cool Ann-Marie, the rain started an hour ago and I had to look to see where it was going. It looks like it'll cross right north of you. I hope so! |
| 2013-06-05 8:46 PM in reply to: iamDawnAnderson |
Master 1890 Gig Harbor | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by iamDawnAnderson Hi Manatees! Thanks to all of you who have checked in on me over the last few weeks. I really appreciate it! I had actually PM'd Yanti after the first few days of the group and asked to leave. I was completely overwhelmed with the coolness of the cool kids & really felt like too much of a newbie to keep up, let alone contribute. But, I see once a Manatee always a Manatee Again thanks for all the inspires & such. I've been stalking the group & will continue to do so Hahaha.. you can't leave, that is the first rule (I just made that up). You are stuck with us wild and crazy (and sometimes dirty) manatees. Welcome to the Pod! On a serious note - I totally understand the overwhelming feeling. Lot's of information when you get into the sport. How long have you been doing tri's? What are your goals? (I missed your intro). If you have any questions - post. Everyone here will help out. I'm Chad BTW - but our fearless leader has dubbed me "Skrat" - I kind of like it, so I'm keeping it. |
| 2013-06-05 8:46 PM in reply to: Muskrat37 |
Master 6834 Englewood, Florida | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by Muskrat37 Originally posted by Artemis My jogo tonight: 30 minutes on the bike towing E! I feel like it should count double. The calorie counter in my long definitely does not take into consideration how much work I did! Also, Strava says I climbed 117 feet. It felt like sooooo much more! E loved it though. She was great about wearing her helmet. If this doesn't make me a stronger rider, nothing will.
This is such a cool pic! x2 |
| 2013-06-05 8:48 PM in reply to: Muskrat37 |
Master 1890 Gig Harbor | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) I just did my first ever "stalk". Took a look at Chris's logs... Damn bro - nice job!! Love the build up. I wish my training log had all those pretty colors and consistency! |
| 2013-06-05 8:59 PM in reply to: Artemis |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by Artemis She's looks adorable! And comfortable. Good on you for getting out there and hauling her with you!My jogo tonight: 30 minutes on the bike towing E! I feel like it should count double. The calorie counter in my long definitely does not take into consideration how much work I did! Also, Strava says I climbed 117 feet. It felt like sooooo much more! E loved it though. She was great about wearing her helmet. If this doesn't make me a stronger rider, nothing will.
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| 2013-06-05 9:00 PM in reply to: Artemis |
Royal(PITA) 14270 West Chester, Ohio | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by Artemis SO ADORABLE.My jogo tonight: 30 minutes on the bike towing E! I feel like it should count double. The calorie counter in my long definitely does not take into consideration how much work I did! Also, Strava says I climbed 117 feet. It felt like sooooo much more! E loved it though. She was great about wearing her helmet. If this doesn't make me a stronger rider, nothing will.
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| 2013-06-05 9:01 PM in reply to: cdban66 |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by cdban66 Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by KansasMom Yeah, come to Florida I'll show you some of those runs! Originally posted by brigby1 Umm, well . . . Actually, I had the elevation tool activated on mapmyfitness the other night, and on my 9.5 mile run through town, I think I did gain 50 feet in there somehow.The slight incline has helped a little for treadmill running, but still not quite the same. I tend to look more at what I want to get out of the workout as opposed to exactly matching this theoretical road. What roads are people running on that are perfectly flat all the way through anyway? x2. Check my elevation on my stuff. Start at 5 ft above sea level, gain 3 feet in entire run, then return to the start place. Yeah, that's right, 3 feet!!!! ETA: I just checked today's run. I went from 10 ft to 11 ft and back to 10. 1 ft change! Florida, the one state I can legitimately laugh at on this! hehe. It's pretty flat by me, but that refers more to total elevation gain. There aren't that many places where I'll go more than half a mile with at least some sort of rhythm buster hill. |
| 2013-06-05 9:15 PM in reply to: KansasMom |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by KansasMom OMG. I meant 100 per month. Cr@p. That would be insane. Sorry about that. No. I think I've topped out at 30 mpw. I'm actually pretty happy there. I think it was November or December last year where I hit 117 for the month. With all my big talk and dream of running ultra races, realistically, it ain't gonna happen. I don't even see a marathon in my future. Ever. I'm okay with that. Okay. Maybe not so okay. There is this trail marathon that I really, really, really want to do. From what I can tell, running that marathon is the only way to get to some of those trails because they are closed, and there are some cool canyons and petroglyphs. But realistically. No marathons. Haha, thought you meant per month. That's good how you're checking both weekly and over time. Without doing that bigger check it's quite easy to think we're doing more than we are in the consistency part. Hitting some weeks well, but missing more than we realize on others. I checked mine the other day and, well, gotta pick it up some! |
| 2013-06-05 9:19 PM in reply to: StaceyK |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by StaceyK LOL Great. Train for it, and not run it. But I see the logic. Run lots. Mostly easy. Sometimes hard. Hey it's all cool because I got my question answered a few pages back and it's been a very interesting discussion to read. As a result of the great Manatee advice I have adjusted my planned race back to the 12km. I have started a more conservative training plan which I feel much more comfortable with using the 3-2-1 concept that someone mentioned. It felt good to run today knowing that I could manage the distance that I needed to do and wasn't under mining the plan by having to bail before I could finish it. So thanks everyone for the great advice. Yes. I got my questions answered, but I think I hijacked someone's post to do it. Stacey's, I think??? I did such a good job taking it over, that I don't even remember who asked the original question. Shame on me. Don't remember the 1-2-3 conversation, but in case you want more on it. It's not necessary to read all of those to get a good handle on things! |
| 2013-06-05 9:27 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
Science Nerd 28760 Redwood City, California | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Thanks everyone! It was a tough ride, but it was fun and I'm glad we got to go out together. |
| 2013-06-05 9:32 PM in reply to: amd723 |
Master 3870 | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by amd723 x2. Adorable! and I totally agree on the towing as extra workout Originally posted by Artemis Now that's a great picture!My jogo tonight: 30 minutes on the bike towing E! I feel like it should count double. The calorie counter in my long definitely does not take into consideration how much work I did! Also, Strava says I climbed 117 feet. It felt like sooooo much more! E loved it though. She was great about wearing her helmet. If this doesn't make me a stronger rider, nothing will.
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