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 2015-01-05 1:24 PM in reply to: axteraa |
Master  2912    ...at home in The ATL |  Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!!Originally posted by axteraa I've got that W' graph setup in GoldenCheetah as well and it's a pretty darn good predictor of failure. I've never set it up ahead of time to see when it suggest I will fail but if I'm doing a workout and I get to the end of the 4th interval of 5 and feel totally wiped and struggle on the 5th, I generally see W' dipping pretty close to 0 at that point. I've been able to push it negative when doing intervals in the 15-30s range (not so much in the longer stuff like 2-4 mins) lately so I suspect the next round of testing will result in some changes. Got. To. Resist. Downloading. Golden. Cheetah. Today. Too. Much. Work. To. Do. |
| 2015-01-05 1:34 PM in reply to: TankBoy |
Elite 7783  PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! |
| 2015-01-05 1:38 PM in reply to: TankBoy |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by TankBoy Originally posted by axteraa I've got that W' graph setup in GoldenCheetah as well and it's a pretty darn good predictor of failure. I've never set it up ahead of time to see when it suggest I will fail but if I'm doing a workout and I get to the end of the 4th interval of 5 and feel totally wiped and struggle on the 5th, I generally see W' dipping pretty close to 0 at that point. I've been able to push it negative when doing intervals in the 15-30s range (not so much in the longer stuff like 2-4 mins) lately so I suspect the next round of testing will result in some changes. Got. To. Resist. Downloading. Golden. Cheetah. Today. Too. Much. Work. To. Do. Resist. Wait a few weeks. The 3.11 builds will be out with....swimming and running..... |
| 2015-01-05 1:41 PM in reply to: axteraa |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by axteraa There are pretty graphs Rusty.....
Are you doing 1 leg drills ? You should get a Stages :-) |
| 2015-01-05 1:43 PM in reply to: marcag |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by axteraa Are you doing 1 leg drills ? You should get a Stages :-) There are pretty graphs Rusty.....
I'd be a monster with a Stages! All I really need to do is drop my cadence to about 85 and I flip over to my right leg. |
| 2015-01-05 1:48 PM in reply to: axteraa |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by axteraa Are you doing 1 leg drills ? You should get a Stages :-) There are pretty graphs Rusty.....
I'd be a monster with a Stages! All I really need to do is drop my cadence to about 85 and I flip over to my right leg. For those that don't get the joke, Arend's chart has a line in the middle with some fuzz on the top of it. It's showing his L/R balance is skewed to the left leg If you look at my chart, it shows that at first I am right dominant during warm up. In the hard intervals, I'm not bad, but at the end of the workout, when fatigued I am left dominant. This shows why a Stages is not as accurate. Our L/R balance varies with fatigue, power, cadence and day. |
| 2015-01-05 2:33 PM in reply to: TankBoy |
Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by TankBoy How are we EVER going to catch up with the Mantees if we keep this one open???? Yeah! Rusty you didn't miss it..... Looks like Jim (Birkierunner) and Ryan (Ryan Mac) are doing their groups as well. Hope they will still join us. You Guys with your power and your charts......Its simple go until your chest hurts and you cant breath then recovery and repeat. Disclosure for any trolls...its a joke. |
| 2015-01-05 2:36 PM in reply to: marcag |
Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by axteraa Are you doing 1 leg drills ? You should get a Stages :-) There are pretty graphs Rusty.....
I'd be a monster with a Stages! All I really need to do is drop my cadence to about 85 and I flip over to my right leg. For those that don't get the joke, Arend's chart has a line in the middle with some fuzz on the top of it. It's showing his L/R balance is skewed to the left leg If you look at my chart, it shows that at first I am right dominant during warm up. In the hard intervals, I'm not bad, but at the end of the workout, when fatigued I am left dominant. This shows why a Stages is not as accurate. Our L/R balance varies with fatigue, power, cadence and day. You know I never though about that with stages. Using the spin scan I see that as well. Not as a graph but a variance. If i watch the spin scan I can correct it and become even. |
| 2015-01-05 2:39 PM in reply to: marcag |
Master 2912 ...at home in The ATL | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by TankBoy Resist. Wait a few weeks. The 3.11 builds will be out with....swimming and running.....Originally posted by axteraa I've got that W' graph setup in GoldenCheetah as well and it's a pretty darn good predictor of failure. I've never set it up ahead of time to see when it suggest I will fail but if I'm doing a workout and I get to the end of the 4th interval of 5 and feel totally wiped and struggle on the 5th, I generally see W' dipping pretty close to 0 at that point. I've been able to push it negative when doing intervals in the 15-30s range (not so much in the longer stuff like 2-4 mins) lately so I suspect the next round of testing will result in some changes. Got. To. Resist. Downloading. Golden. Cheetah. Today. Too. Much. Work. To. Do. whew, thanks Marc. Arend is just trying to get me fired. |
| 2015-01-05 2:40 PM in reply to: BrotherTri |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by BrotherTri Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by axteraa Are you doing 1 leg drills ? You should get a Stages :-) There are pretty graphs Rusty.....
I'd be a monster with a Stages! All I really need to do is drop my cadence to about 85 and I flip over to my right leg. For those that don't get the joke, Arend's chart has a line in the middle with some fuzz on the top of it. It's showing his L/R balance is skewed to the left leg If you look at my chart, it shows that at first I am right dominant during warm up. In the hard intervals, I'm not bad, but at the end of the workout, when fatigued I am left dominant. This shows why a Stages is not as accurate. Our L/R balance varies with fatigue, power, cadence and day. You know I never though about that with stages. Using the spin scan I see that as well. Not as a graph but a variance. If i watch the spin scan I can correct it and become even. With a stages, if you are doing 200 watts and you are 55/45... well you aren't doing 200 watts, You are really doing 182 watts. 100 from your left, 82 from your right. |
| 2015-01-05 2:41 PM in reply to: TankBoy |
Master 2912 ...at home in The ATL | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! And the worst part is I am actually still off work until next week, but have a long list of projects to get finished up around the house before I head back to work. So when I say "Fired" what I actually mean is "Divorced." |
| 2015-01-05 8:25 PM in reply to: BrotherTri |
Pro 4675 Wisconsin near the Twin Cities metro | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Originally posted by BrotherTri Originally posted by TankBoy Yeah! Rusty you didn't miss it..... Looks like Jim (Birkierunner) and Ryan (Ryan Mac) are doing their groups as well. Hope they will still join us. You Guys with your power and your charts......Its simple go until your chest hurts and you cant breath then recovery and repeat. Disclosure for any trolls...its a joke. How are we EVER going to catch up with the Mantees if we keep this one open???? I will definitely still pop in on this group if you folks don't mind. Not that I've been a big contributor in the past. I'm keeping my group open since it always seems to peeter out after a few weeks and then you re-open to get the discussions going again. So, I'll just keep it open for the duration. Looking forward to discussions in 2015 |
| 2015-01-07 8:32 AM in reply to: Birkierunner |
Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia ~~~~ Permanently OPEN!! Going to try hopping back on with the group again - failed miserably the first time, but we'll see if I can make this stick. Need to get back into the good habits, but where I've been able to focus mostly on Tri as my one hobby/indulgence I know find myself splitting my time (dedicating lately) to home projects and these are not just taking up my time, but really taking up a big chunk of focus as well. It's clearly showing through that I'm fine when dedicating myself to one thing, but multi-tasking at a high level is not something I've very adept at. GC 3.11 - going to wait for it and try to get everything working again. My current version stopped syncing to my PT and I can't figure out why, but the addition of run and swim would be pretty cool. |
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